Robert "Julius Jones" Turbin

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Turbin > Jones any day of the week

This.

And name one time when Turbin "killed the drive" Revisionist history... We are 4 and 0 and people start coming up with fantastical ideas of how player x sucks and is hurting the team.

 

[Happypuppy]

I would venture that Lynch is our best pass protector. He can beast mode a LB..just gets so much press for his main role he doesnt get recognized for it.

That is a good observation. When we first had Lynch he was a pretty weak blocker. As time has passed he has really rounded out his game. He is dangerous and reliable receiver , and a good blocker as well. The gap between Lynch and Turbin is huge. Maybe that's why Turbin looks so weak... Most backs would against one of the best

 

[Mick063]

Sample size is too small to make a fair judgment.

Turbin was averaging five yards per carry heading into the Houston game. He looks alright to me.

Julius Jones? Turbin certainly isn't the same body type as Jones. The running styles aren't similar either. Jones couldn't find cut back lanes nearly as well. I often saw Jones run right up the back of his offensive lineman and I don't ever recall Turbin doing that. Turbin does appear to occasionally suffer from shoestring tackles with open field in front of him.

Turbin definitely needs a little more forward lean. He runs a little too upright. Lynch can get away with it because of his wide stance, ceaseless leg movement, and beastly attitude.

 

[kearly]

I think Turbin is running well since the regular season started. He's playing faster and he's showing some vision with his running for a change. But is he a little like Julius Jones? Yeah. He's not a guy you'd want on 3rd and 1 or 3rd and goal from the 1. They are different runners. Jones' issue was a lack of power. Turbin's issue is a lack of balance and elusiveness. But in terms of results and weaknesses, they are similar.

 

[Sports Hernia]

Man has a few bad plays and everyone acts like this is his MO. The same people that loved him all last season.

And all the hate, yet he has only had a grand total of 15 touches in 4 games. Averaging 3.8 during those touches. Of course it would be a lot more if two of his big runs weren't brought back by penalties. But that's the way it goes.

Beastmode has gotten stuffed numerous times behind the line this year. It happens in games. Let's lay off the guy that's a third down back and has only had 15 touches before we throw away a great talent.

No hate coming from me, I like the guy, just not in short yardage situations.

 

[Seahawkx]

I dont understand what all the muscle was built for if he cant use it for power. He even falls when someone close by blows air towards him.
And I am not still getting why we dont use C.Michaels. He and lynch seem a better 1-2 punch then lych and turban.

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

You guys have your opinion, I guess. I was a huge Turbin enthusiast, and out of all the 2012 RBs I liked him the best but this site has a tendency to point out flaws. And over the pre-season and in games, I can't help but notice them all the time now.

Namely, he doesn't have the agility to break ankle tackles nor does he have lower body strength to bully defenders. He most likely will improve his lower body strength over time but I can't help to think he'll always be a stiffed hip, linear rusher.

Again, Turbin's a decent all-around player, people are taking that JuJo reference too personally, if it helps he's more Maurice Morris ability with a Julius Jones build. (Julius Jones was okay at times)

Also, I never said Michael should replace Turbin as the 3rd Down back, so all the emphasis on pass-blocking ability or the lack there-of, isn't needed.

All I am saying, is that Michael should be used more, to see what he's capable of, he's one of the most explosive players on the team, and a great play-making running back, who is capable of turning a 1 loss ankle tackle into a 20 yard splash play.

This team is struggling mightily in the passing game, well, at least in pass-protection, but has been good in the running game for the most part. Michael can be a spark of momentum, he's a player that can "tilt the field".

Turbin, to me, is just average, he can be productive, and he has value in the bigger picture but the team would be better off with giving Michael some chances when Lynch needs a simple breather and especially when the offense is stalling to move the ball series after series.

 

[Blitzer88]

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Turbin > Jones any day of the week

This.

And name one time when Turbin "killed the drive" Revisionist history... We are 4 and 0 and people start coming up with fantastical ideas of how player x sucks and is hurting the team.

:13: Turbin is not in JJ territory.

 

[chris98251]

I don't think Turbin has the spread in his running stance for great balance all the time to stand uppish maybe which makes it easier to trip him up. Watch Lynch his feet are pretty wide generall when he hits traffic especially. Micheal may be getting the Golden Tate treatment of learning to be a pro and work on what it takes for him to be a zone running scheme back.

 

[Sports Hernia]

Got a feeling with Beastmode's early workload, both Turbin and CM will be seeing more carries coming their way.

 

[BigMeach]

You guys have your opinion, I guess. I was a huge Turbin enthusiast, and out of all the 2012 RBs I liked him the best but this site has a tendency to point out flaws. And over the pre-season and in games, I can't help but notice them all the time now.

Namely, he doesn't have the agility to break ankle tackles nor does he have lower body strength to bully defenders. He most likely will improve his lower body strength over time but I can't help to think he'll always be a stiffed hip, linear rusher.

Again, Turbin's a decent all-around player, people are taking that JuJo reference too personally, if it helps he's more Maurice Morris ability with a Julius Jones build. (Julius Jones was okay at times)

Also, I never said Michael should replace Turbin as the 3rd Down back, so all the emphasis on pass-blocking ability or the lack there-of, isn't needed.

All I am saying, is that Michael should be used more, to see what he's capable of, he's one of the most explosive players on the team, and a great play-making running back, who is capable of turning a 1 loss ankle tackle into a 20 yard splash play.

This team is struggling mightily in the passing game, well, at least in pass-protection, but has been good in the running game for the most part. Michael can be a spark of momentum, he's a player that can "tilt the field".

Turbin, to me, is just average, he can be productive, and he has value in the bigger picture but the team would be better off with giving Michael some chances when Lynch needs a simple breather and especially when the offense is stalling to move the ball series after series.

Seems to me your argument repeatedly is that we can avert Michael's lack of pass blocking by having him run it whenever he is out there. Doesn't that kind of tip your hat to what you're doing EVERY time you put him on the field? Seems kinda harsh on a rookie running back and would really take the big play ability out of it.

 

[SomersetHawk]

Wow this thread is so wrong. Go back and watch our games last year, Turbin progressed really nicely as the year went (no coincidence that it was in correlation with our improving O-line). I think we just take Lynch for granted in that he can still find yards when he O-line's playing crappy; Turbin's never going to be that player; especially against D's like Houston's.

I will say that it feels like he either gets stuffed for minimal gain/loss or takes it for 8+ yards on his carries and there's not much consistent yardage with him.

 

[Sarlacc83]

I'm not trying to come off as Turbin is a bad player, but for someone who looks as powerful as he does, he gets taken down rather easily.

Just my opinion, but Michael "winging it" looks like better as a rusher than Turbin "understanding it".

This is a team, that just this last year and in past years, that has put plenty of rookies on the field and let them gain experience and learn from their mistakes.

This is a team that dumped one of the best FBs in the game as well as team leader and locker-room savant, Michael Robinson and chose to go with the unpolished Derrick Coleman. A player that Sherman Smith said that it was his first year ever playing the FB position. And they continue allow Coleman to learn by trial and error while we learn from Robinson that the team didn't even ask if he would take a pay-cut to remain with the team.

Why not Michael. If his pass-blocking sucks, let him get pancaked in a real game, most likely, he'll pick himself up and try better to not get embarrassed. In practice its one thing, if front of a crowd, on National TV its totally different.

I'm not saying give Michael, Turbin's work load... but at least give him some snaps especially when the team is having obvious trouble in moving the ball because again C-Mike has improvisational play-making ability that a team can't plan for. Give him a touch or two and see if he can break something open with his elite athletic ability.

You are massively undervaluing pass blocking. It's not about Michael getting run over. It's about WILSON getting trucked because Michael missed his assignment. The O-line needs the RB to be part of the same cohesion when it comes to blitz pick-ups. They're having enough troubles as it is with open gaps; you don't want to introduce another one.

 

[12thMan1]

I have no problem with Turbin. He compliments Lynch very well and he has really good hands out of the backfield.

 

[hawker84]

All this turbin hate baffles me.. but whatever carry on...

 

[TwistedHusky]

It is the result of pining for Christine, but if he had fumbled in that game it could have changed the outcome.

Christine needs to be brought in slowly. I remember everyone freaked out about Forsett too, and he was good, but he was never as good as people were clamoring for when he wasn't being used quickly enough to their satisfaction.

If Christine Michael was not here, then most people would probably realize that Turbin is a second year back and he has some time to go before he becomes the player he will be.

Of course, if we use Christine Michael too early and he starts with his fumbling problem again, well that could kill his confidence and his value. I think he will be a good runningback too, but I wouldn't want to use him if I wasn't sure he could hold onto the ball since that was the knock on him coming out of college.

Additionally, in a game where you need all the assistance on pass protection you can muster, a green RB probably wasn't going to be a great choice anyway.

Turbin did ok. He isn't Lynch but then few are even close. He gave us some carries, which is his role.

 

[SouthSoundHawk]

Christine Michael is having trouble pass blocking, and teams know when he's in he's more than likely going to get the ball or it will be a quick short pass to take pressure of of his PB limitations. He's without a doubt a stud and using the eye test it's clear that he has a future in this league. Not to mention he is super jacked to be a Seahawk, and that's always a huge plus.

Turbo does a fantastic job catching balls in the flat or turning it up field to find soft spots in zones (ala Marshawn Lynch...you can tell Turbo been practicing his P's and Q's behind Beast). He's also a solid blocker, which is crucial when Wilson needs to bail out of a play. If Turbo is better at giving Wilson more time to find someone down field, I'll take that all day over someone missing a block and making Russel's job harder than it needs to be.

Michael will get his chance, but right now Turbo is the best fit at RB2 (for Pete's scheme and want/need for versatility).

 

[canfan]

Given his obvious, God given talent running the ball, it must be that Christine has some issues in other parts of the game, such as pass pro. Did you seriously want to put ANOTHER turnstile out on the field last Sunday to count the Texans as they romped by on their way to our backfield? The only thing that would have been broken open was RW, not the game. Turbin is a decent one cut runner with good initial speed, but no elusiveness in the open field. He also has decent hands and can pass block....I'm happy enough that he is on this team.

 

[Seeker]

That is a pretty unfair statement from the op.

1. Turbin is a backup, he is not asked to carry a lot except to give marshawn some air and give the D different looks.
2. You like that little wheel route to lynch for the walk in touchdowns? what till Turbo gets it on a wheel from 30 - 40+ for a touchdown. he has blazing speed for his size and better hands than beastmode.
3. Turbin is a proven blocker when lynch isn't in. Something Michael is still learning.
4. it was cushing dude. he even made lynch fumble.

 

[Throwdown]

lol should I be offended (still) that Turbin got compared to Julius Jones?