RGIII vs RW

[joeseahawks]

Despite all RW did at NC State for 3 years, the then coach managed to find a way to "get ride" of RW, at a time when that program could have competed for bigger things ... The coach who had RW for years ... still didn't believe in him enough and got him to walk out of that program.
My point is, it takes a coach with strong character and convictions to believe that an unconventional 5ft10 QB can lead you to the promise land. I'm convinced that the current management of the Redskins would still select RGIII over RW.
If you want proof, just listen to the National Media experts, whenever RW (or the Seahawks) have a sub-par game. Following the win at St Louis, most analyst were already jumping off the Hawks bandwagon ...

 

[HawkWow]

If Kaep's IQ was 30 pts higher, he and Griffin would compare nicely.

 

[joeseahawks]

I doubt the saw RW as a starter, though. The Hawks not only drafted him, they gave him a chance to start, despite millions the invested in Flynn. Then they stuck with him through his struggles. In a league, that is known for being cut throat ... it takes strong convictions to give a guy like RW the keys to the team, despite the "conventional" approach. That's why I like PC. The man got strong convictions. Many coaches in the league don't.

If the Redskins had to draft again between RGIII, Tannerhill and Wilson, they will still pick RGIII, because Russell Wilson is still too short and RGIII is flashier and fits better with that Franchise.
A poorly run organization is a poorly run organization.

The Redskins were just one of many teams planning to draft him if we didn't. Philadelphia and Indianapolis being a couple others.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

I doubt the saw RW as a starter, though. The Hawks not only drafted him, they gave him a chance to start, despite millions the invested in Flynn. Then they stuck with him through his struggles. In a league, that is known for being cut throat ... it takes strong convictions to give a guy like RW the keys to the team, despite the "conventional" approach. That's why I like PC. The man got strong convictions. Many coaches in the league don't.

If the Redskins had to draft again between RGIII, Tannerhill and Wilson, they will still pick RGIII, because Russell Wilson is still too short and RGIII is flashier and fits better with that Franchise.
A poorly run organization is a poorly run organization.

The Redskins were just one of many teams planning to draft him if we didn't. Philadelphia and Indianapolis being a couple others.

You're correct both Indianapolis and Washington were planning to use him as a backup but Philadelphia sure wasn't and were pissed we picked him. At least Foles seems to be working out for them.

 

[BKCW]

I think it is unfair to look at their performance in a statistical vacuum. RGIII coming off his second major knee injury coupled with missing all preseason training which likely prevented him from having an opportunity to work on progressing as a quarterback. RW had all season to work on his footwork and his receivers, while RGIII was rehabbing a knee. In my opinion, all vital in allowing a player to progress in the most cerebral position in the NFL.

Second, the Redskins were penalized for violating the good faith of the salary cap during the uncapped year plus missing all the draft picks from the trade has prevented the organization from shoring up their weaknesses. I feel the expectation on him were set to high this season from watching his games and shouldn't of even played the first 6 games. I feel people's expectations were he would bounce back like Peterson which is crazy. To show you how short people's memories are, Brady had his best statistical output the following season after his knee injury. History would suggest these comebacks are an anomaly not that norm. Lastly, Brady and Rodgers can make an unknown into a stud, but I don't think anyone is claiming RGIII is in their class.

 

[rjas77]

If Kaep's IQ was 30 pts higher, he and Griffin would compare nicely.

I'm pretty sure Kaepernic loses IQ points every time he takes a dump

 

[youngchew]

Russell Wilson benefits from having the #2 defense in the NFL. Seattle's defense only gives up 16 PPG. Washington's defense gives up 31 PPG.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/ ... on/defense

with that said, Griffin is definitely struggling this year. his knee might be better, but his head isn't back in it. he looks lost out there. hopefully this god awful season will humble him some and he'll be back to himself next year after a full off-season to work on his mechanics.

 

[Popeyejones]

If Kaep's IQ was 30 pts higher, he and Griffin would compare nicely.

I'm pretty sure Kaepernic loses IQ points every time he takes a dump

Huh?

The Wonderlic is an IQ test, guys.

Not that I think it even remotely matters in terms of on field performance, but if Kap has a problem it isn't IQ:

WONDERLIC SCORES:

Luck: 37
Kap: 37
Wilson: 28
RGIII: 24

Silly MENSA accepts the Wonderlic as an IQ score, and Luck and Kap's scores qualify them for MENSA (and like the wonderlic, yep, MENSA is also pretty stupid, IMO :lol: )

 

[rjas77]

It's sarcasm dude..

Your team is down late in the fourth quarter and you need a score to win or tie.

Do you trust your to make the right decision and make the play?

 

[rjas77]

Oh and Frank Gore scored a 6 in 2012 tied with the lowest ever

 

[Smelly McUgly]

The Wonderlic is a standardized test, so pay no attention to it. It does test how well one takes standardized tests, however.

I don't think Kaepernick or RGIII is dumb, though. Where do people get this stuff? Neither of these guys comes off like Ryan Leaf or anything like that.

Re: RGIII, he's playing on a knee that he should have let heal because he's scared of losing his job to Kirk Cousins, which is insane to me, and of course Shanny is too dumb to control that issue. On top of it, Washington traded a bunch of draft picks to get RGIII and, much like ATL, simultaneously needed those draft picks to get an OL to block for him, maybe a few WRs, and some players in the defensive backfield. He's a good, but injured player on an awful team.

He's still going to be an elite player, though. Well, if WAS doesn't ruin him, which there's probably a decent chance of, actually.

 

[Popeyejones]

Oh and Frank Gore scored a 6 in 2012 tied with the lowest ever

Double petty trolling fail. :lol: :lol:

1. I started and ended my post by saying I didn't think the wonderlic mattered, so why would I give a crud about Gore's score?

2. In order to go for petty trolling fail #1, you also are just simply lying about Gore having the lowest score. :lol: (It's Morris Clairborne tied for 4, dude).


(just fwiw: me saying it not mattering is an overstatement. Someone actually ran this for QBs, and it does matter, but not in a way that any of us would really care about. Basically, IIRC, there's a threshold effect at 12 or 14 or something; for QBs who score under the low threshold the Wonderlic is predicative of poor performance, butf for over the low threshold, it doesn't matter and isn't predictive).

 

[Popeyejones]

The Wonderlic is a standardized test, so pay no attention to it. It does test how well one takes standardized tests, however.

Yeah, agreed it doesn't really matter (save for some outliers at the lower end) for QB performance. It IS an IQ test though, and has always been an IQ test. If you want to talk about players' IQs it's in every way a valid measure.

(holding constant of course that we can certainly question the validity of the concept of IQ as it is constructed, as you're doing, and as I'd agree with ).

 

[Polaris]

I think at this point RGIII has a more than even chance of becoming the next Carr. Remember him?

 

[Popeyejones]

^^^ Even in this second "down" season of his career RGIII is dramatically over performing anything Carr ever did in his career. RGIII would have to get significantly worse to be as bad as Carr's best season.

 

[Polaris]

I will grant that RGIII has better numbers, but that wasn't my point. Even coming out of the draft, RG3 was better than David Carr in terms of raw ability. I am talking about the career progression and is showing some of the same signs of a lack of a good supporting cast and suspect coaching. That was really my point.

 

[Popeyejones]

k

 

[Sarlacc83]

Oh and Frank Gore scored a 6 in 2012 tied with the lowest ever

Frank Gore has an actual learning disability. Probably not in the best taste to make fun of him because the fact that he's in the NFL is a major accomplishment.

 

[FlyingGreg]

I hate the Redskins, mostly because of their insufferable fan base. Bunch of ass clowns.

I like RGIII but I am laughing at that organization right now. They gave up the farm for him and are saddled with a bad defense and a 3-7 record. Two first picks and a second round pick... Rams took them to the shed on that one.

Shanahan needs to go. He is a relic. They haven't had a young coach there in awhile, they always go with relics like Shanny, Spurrier, Schottenheimer, etc.

I could see Bevell going there as HC.

 

[rjas77]

Oh and Frank Gore scored a 6 in 2012 tied with the lowest ever

Double petty trolling fail. :lol: :lol:

1. I started and ended my post by saying I didn't think the wonderlic mattered, so why would I give a crud about Gore's score?

2. In order to go for petty trolling fail #1, you also are just simply lying about Gore having the lowest score. :lol: (It's Morris Clairborne tied for 4, dude).


(just fwiw: me saying it not mattering is an overstatement. Someone actually ran this for QBs, and it does matter, but not in a way that any of us would really care about. Basically, IIRC, there's a threshold effect at 12 or 14 or something; for QBs who score under the low threshold the Wonderlic is predicative of poor performance, butf for over the low threshold, it doesn't matter and isn't predictive).

You did see the little winky right, and that test is basically a waste much like the GRE. You could be dumb as Kaep and still pass that test if you know how to take it..

Besides Fitzpatrick scored a 47 and look how great he was

Lastly I noticed you glossed over my straight up question stated thusly:

Your team is down late in the fourth quarter and you need a score to win or tie.

Do you trust your guy to make the right decision and make the play?

Still waiting for an answer