Report: Wilson willing to rework deal to create cap space fo

[knownone]

It's a good thing none of you are accountants. Yes. You can create short-term cap space and stretch it for a handful of years, but you are constricting your long-run cap flexibility because the space is still finite. Now, I doubt the average fan is going to notice that difference. Still, its effects will be fairly dramatic for the teams because it minimizes room for error and stretches that risk out over multiple seasons.

As for Wilson, he's getting paid whether he restructures or not, so let's not pretend this is some grand display of kindness. This hurts the front office's leverage in those contract negotiations, and with Wilson's uncertain future, restructuring is probably not something Seattle wants to do.

A handful of years? Lol. Long run cap? Lol. Ask the Saints, they laugh at the notion.

Mathematically you can always kick the can down the road. And when you finally have a bad year, you can turn it into a purge year, eat all the dead money and reset your cap.

The salary cap only exists at this juncture to keep player salaries down.

Please, Fade, show us your math because all you've done is explain to me why I am correct, then rationalize your judgement through a "purge year".

The NFL has a hard cap; therefore, resources are finite, with some variability as the cap increases. You can make a long-run cap projection by adding a given period together and adjusting for the increase in cap space over that length of time. In doing so, you'll quickly realize that guaranteed money is still guaranteed money regardless of where you schedule it.

So yeah, you can be fiscally irresponsible and kick the can down the road, but that toll will come due, and it makes no sense for a team with a large competitive window to do that.

 

[John63]

Russ needs to focus on beating cover 2 and leave the cap issues he created alone.
He is not getting the deal reworked or the money pushed so he can't be moved.
It's just is not going to happen nut huggers.

Let’s have a glorious first half of the season, an average second half and then a disappointing 1st/2nd round playoff exit and then find a rookie that doesn’t eat $32 million of the cap the next year. (I would love to be wrong on this btw). Of course we have no good draft picks to actually get a new QB for years but what does that matter.

BTW is John really that unschooled about how the salary cap/bonus issues work or are the Wilson love goggles just on too tight? Wilson would not be losing a single Penny of what he is getting now. Don’t know about Mahomes but if I remember right Brady actually took a lot less overall Salary so he could have a better team built around him. RW: accounting designation that changes nothing except salary cap designation on funds. Brady: less money

First off no place did I say he would lose anything, fyi Brady did not lose anything nor did Mahomes. As usual those that want to look for bad ignore the good so ai will say it one more time just for you. He could have made it very hard and caused all kind of hell instead he chose to make it easy. If you cant undestadn that than I am sorry for you and foe you go

Except you are wrong on Brady. Way wrong.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tom-bra ... 018-7?op=1

Not going to discuss football with someone that is so consistently wrong on basic facts. Life’s too short

Sorry dude your wrong you should read the article, the taking less is in his actual contract negotiations not in restructuring you cannot take money away in a restructured you can only move money around nice try though.

"If Brady consistently signed deals equal to those of the biggest quarterback contracts, we found he could have made $287.6 million. That is about $60 million more than his actual earnings, and approximately $35 million more than Eli Manning made in his career, the most in NFL history (you can see how we reached this number below)." from the article notice the 60 mil is by not taking top contract not restructuring. You cannot lose money restructuring as you adn others pointed out nice try though the topic in restructuring not new contract.

 

[JayhawkMike]

Let’s have a glorious first half of the season, an average second half and then a disappointing 1st/2nd round playoff exit and then find a rookie that doesn’t eat $32 million of the cap the next year. (I would love to be wrong on this btw). Of course we have no good draft picks to actually get a new QB for years but what does that matter.

BTW is John really that unschooled about how the salary cap/bonus issues work or are the Wilson love goggles just on too tight? Wilson would not be losing a single Penny of what he is getting now. Don’t know about Mahomes but if I remember right Brady actually took a lot less overall Salary so he could have a better team built around him. RW: accounting designation that changes nothing except salary cap designation on funds. Brady: less money

First off no place did I say he would lose anything, fyi Brady did not lose anything nor did Mahomes. As usual those that want to look for bad ignore the good so ai will say it one more time just for you. He could have made it very hard and caused all kind of hell instead he chose to make it easy. If you cant undestadn that than I am sorry for you and foe you go

Except you are wrong on Brady. Way wrong.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tom-bra ... 018-7?op=1

Not going to discuss football with someone that is so consistently wrong on basic facts. Life’s too short

Sorry dude your wrong you should read the article, the taking less is in his actual contract negotiations not in restructuring you cannot take money away in a restructured you can only move money around nice try though.

Your ignorance is showing you might want to keep it to yourself.

 

[John63]

First off no place did I say he would lose anything, fyi Brady did not lose anything nor did Mahomes. As usual those that want to look for bad ignore the good so ai will say it one more time just for you. He could have made it very hard and caused all kind of hell instead he chose to make it easy. If you cant undestadn that than I am sorry for you and foe you go

Except you are wrong on Brady. Way wrong.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tom-bra ... 018-7?op=1

Not going to discuss football with someone that is so consistently wrong on basic facts. Life’s too short

Sorry dude your wrong you should read the article, the taking less is in his actual contract negotiations not in restructuring you cannot take money away in a restructured you can only move money around nice try though.

Your ignorance is showing you might want to keep it to yourself.

says the man who cant read, we are in a thread about restructuring and all that was shown is he could have gotten more money if he took more during his contract negotiations nothing in their says he lost money in a restructure which you cannot do. So ignorance problem yes but it is yours. thanks for playing

oh and here, so you understand better https://www.profootballrumors.com/2019/06/nfl-restructuring-contracts notice the player does not loos anything by restructuring, but the team gains some cap relief for that year.

Again thanks for playing

 

[Fade]

It's a good thing none of you are accountants. Yes. You can create short-term cap space and stretch it for a handful of years, but you are constricting your long-run cap flexibility because the space is still finite. Now, I doubt the average fan is going to notice that difference. Still, its effects will be fairly dramatic for the teams because it minimizes room for error and stretches that risk out over multiple seasons.

As for Wilson, he's getting paid whether he restructures or not, so let's not pretend this is some grand display of kindness. This hurts the front office's leverage in those contract negotiations, and with Wilson's uncertain future, restructuring is probably not something Seattle wants to do.

A handful of years? Lol. Long run cap? Lol. Ask the Saints, they laugh at the notion.

Mathematically you can always kick the can down the road. And when you finally have a bad year, you can turn it into a purge year, eat all the dead money and reset your cap.

The salary cap only exists at this juncture to keep player salaries down.

Please, Fade, show us your math because all you've done is explain to me why I am correct, then rationalize your judgement through a "purge year".

The NFL has a hard cap; therefore, resources are finite, with some variability as the cap increases. You can make a long-run cap projection by adding a given period together and adjusting for the increase in cap space over that length of time. In doing so, you'll quickly realize that guaranteed money is still guaranteed money regardless of where you schedule it.

So yeah, you can be fiscally irresponsible and kick the can down the road, but that toll will come due, and it makes no sense for a team with a large competitive window to do that.

The NFL has a rolling cap.

Money can be spread out up to 5 years via proration.

For a team to truly take their salary cap to the max with no wiggle room and screw themselves, curently it would require spending over a $1 Billion dollars in guarantees if the cap remains at around $200M for 5 years (it won't).

When a player is cut the remaining proration is due and half of it can be deferred via post JUN 1.

Dead money doesn't remain on the books for years at a time. Teams can thus blow it up if it gets that bad, and have the books cleared in a year or two.

Teams have figured this out and are now using voidable years, including the Seahawks to create cap space out of thin air.

 

[jamescasey1124]

Reworking his contract again and people will still complain about how greedy he is.

As expected, see the posts immediately below yours. At least some of the posters do admit that they just irrationally hate the guy and want him gone regardless of his impact on the team.

Well they are right. Restructuring doesn't mean he's taking a pay cut.

So Russ has to take a pay cut (not just restructure, which is insufficient to placate the rabble) to make room for everyone else on the team, but Adams, for example, is well within his right to demand as much money as possible. Right.

Russ must throw for at least 55 touchdowns, fewer than 2 interceptions, all while making less than 2m a year. Only then will I, the all-powerful basement dweller, be satisfied! Also, no religious stuff either, because that makes him fake. But also no crime stuff because that makes him a bit too real for me. And no hobbies outside of sports, because that means he's not focused! But also he has to have hobbies, because otherwise he's just a robot. But also not too much volunteer stuff, because then he's only doing it for publicity. But also he has to be active in the community or else he's a criminal or something. And on and on.

Dam. This pretty much sums up last year on this site. Good job! But I think you could have said it this way...no that way! Love the sarcasm here! Thanks for breaking it down beautifully. I don't need to read any more threads on this post. I really appreciate that. Haha.

 

[balakoth]

It's damned if you do damned if you don't on this board as usual.

Thankfully none of you have anything to do with Football..