Report: Wilson willing to rework deal to create cap space fo

[JayhawkMike]

The article says he is willing to rework the deal and the article only talks about converting salary to signing bonus.

If he is willing to give up money to get those guys signed kudos to him.

If all that is happening is that he gets the same or more money (get it now instead of later/interest) then it isn’t a sacrifice and this, to me, is just PR. “look at me. The TEAM might not love you enough to pay you what you want BUT I DO!” It feels like that type of comment might put the team in a bad negotiating position and certainly makes the team the bad guy if they don’t cave. Plus, if the team wants to go a different direction next year from such a highly paid QB it makes the pain even worse. So maybe that’s his play.

Way too many RW fans are way too binary. You either support him in every way and RW is perfect in everything he does or you are a hater. It’s one of the more stupid aspects of this board.

 

[Fade]

The cap hit for bonuses can be spread over the life of the contract regardless of when the money is actually paid. I'm highly skeptical that the same people genuinely misunderstand this concept every go around given how often this occurs.

Reworking deals for current cap space can be good for players for two reasons; they can get actual cash faster and they can have more guaranteed down the road. Neither of those really affects Wilson in this situation but there's still no downside to him for having base salary converted to a bonus.

In Wilson's case, turning his base salary this season into a bonus accounted for over three seasons would reduce the cap hit this season by $12.6m and increase the cap hit in the next two seasons by $6.3m. That's way too all-in for my tastes on a single year and having $43m and $46m cap tied up in one player over the next two seasons would make it increasingly difficult to build a good team around him.

Or you tack on some voidable years and make the future numbers even lower.

The salary cap is a joke. People who fret over cap space must've not watched what transpired over this off-season.

It's not about cap space anymore, but how much the owner is willing to spend. You can cook the books willy-nilly. It is what it is.

Tical has it right, it's about wanting to remain flexible with Wilson. Which is spooky for Pete, if Wilson is traded Pete will be ousted shortly thereafter, unless ownership enjoys having losing season after losing season, which Jodi Allen might, who knows.

 

[HawkRiderFan]

Let's not act like he's giving up his own money to make the team better.

Every kisses Brady's butt for "doing it for the team" when he does the same thing. Russ deserves as much or little of the credit when he does the same.

If they don't do this or what it takes to get Brown on the field,a great season is all that can save the inevitable next off-season

 

[Tical21]

We know the Seahawks can restructure Russ' contract at any time. So why would Russ announce that he's "open" to it?

There's only one reason, and I'll let you guys ascertain for yourselves what it is.

 

[knownone]

It's a good thing none of you are accountants. Yes. You can create short-term cap space and stretch it for a handful of years, but you are constricting your long-run cap flexibility because the space is still finite. Now, I doubt the average fan is going to notice that difference. Still, its effects will be fairly dramatic for the teams because it minimizes room for error and stretches that risk out over multiple seasons.

As for Wilson, he's getting paid whether he restructures or not, so let's not pretend this is some grand display of kindness. This hurts the front office's leverage in those contract negotiations, and with Wilson's uncertain future, restructuring is probably not something Seattle wants to do.

 

[Jville]

Strikes me as recycled news spit out by a Toronto Sports app.

How many times can the same narrative be regurgitated?

More media chewing of the cud.

 

[John63]

It's a good thing none of you are accountants. Yes. You can create short-term cap space and stretch it for a handful of years, but you are constricting your long-run cap flexibility because the space is still finite. Now, I doubt the average fan is going to notice that difference. Still, its effects w

Itsill be fairly dramatic for the teams because it minimizes room for error and stretches that risk out over multiple seasons.

As for Wilson, he's getting paid whether he restructures or not, so let's not pretend this is some grand display of kindness. This hurts the front office's leverage in those contract negotiations, and with Wilson's uncertain future, restructuring is probably not something Seattle wants to do.

Its funny how some on tis board make such a big deal when Brady, Mahomes do it look they are trying to help their team, but when Wilson does it nope no credit at all.

reality check he did not have to say he would and while its true they still could that would defiantly ruin the relationship not just with Wilson but all the players, it's called common courtesy. He did not hurt the hawks bargaining at all, all he did is say if you need to give more I will help. That does not mean they have to.

 

[AgentDib]

Its funny how some on tis board make such a big deal when Brady, Mahomes do it look they are trying to help their team, but when Wilson does it nope no credit at all.

How much credit do you think Russ should get for doing something that a) isn't his choice, b) doesn't hurt him in any way, and c) doesn't help the team?

 

[Tical21]

It's a good thing none of you are accountants. Yes. You can create short-term cap space and stretch it for a handful of years, but you are constricting your long-run cap flexibility because the space is still finite. Now, I doubt the average fan is going to notice that difference. Still, its effects will be fairly dramatic for the teams because it minimizes room for error and stretches that risk out over multiple seasons.

As for Wilson, he's getting paid whether he restructures or not, so let's not pretend this is some grand display of kindness. This hurts the front office's leverage in those contract negotiations, and with Wilson's uncertain future, restructuring is probably not something Seattle wants to do.

It isn't a real restructure they would do, they'd simply convert his '21 salary to bonus. It doesn't "hurt" the team in the future at all, if they want to be married to Wilson through 2023. It simply raises his guarantees for the next two years, essentially meaning we can't cut him.

 

[Tical21]

Its funny how some on tis board make such a big deal when Brady, Mahomes do it look they are trying to help their team, but when Wilson does it nope no credit at all.

How much credit do you think Russ should get for doing something that a) isn't his choice, b) doesn't hurt him in any way, and c) doesn't help the team?

Rubes will view this as Russell being willing to help the team out. In reality, it is just Russell trying to spin their situation and look like the good guy, putting pressure on the front office and making them look bad. It's all a work. And it's getting old.

 

[scutterhawk]

Its funny how some on tis board make such a big deal when Brady, Mahomes do it look they are trying to help their team, but when Wilson does it nope no credit at all.

How much credit do you think Russ should get for doing something that a) isn't his choice, b) doesn't hurt him in any way, and c) doesn't help the team?

Rubes will view this as Russell being willing to help the team out. In reality, it is just Russell trying to spin their situation and look like the good guy, putting pressure on the front office and making them look bad. It's all a work. And it's getting old.

Want some cheese to go with that whine?

 

[John63]

Its funny how some on tis board make such a big deal when Brady, Mahomes do it look they are trying to help their team, but when Wilson does it nope no credit at all.

How much credit do you think Russ should get for doing something that a) isn't his choice, b) doesn't hurt him in any way, and c) doesn't help the team?

ignorance is bliss. The same credit alot on here gave Mahomes for doing, Brady and so many others. Reality he did not have to do it, and he could have said when they told him they were going to without his consent or not told him at all cause all kind of hell. You don't think that would not have hurt the team? It has happened before to other teams.

The reality is by saying he is good without, he removes any chances for any issues between him and the team, and that is good for the team. If you can't understand that I am sorry for you.

 

[IndyHawk]

Russ needs to focus on beating cover 2 and leave the cap issues he created alone.
He is not getting the deal reworked or the money pushed so he can't be moved.
It's just is not going to happen nut huggers.

 

[John63]

Russ needs to focus on beating cover 2 and leave the cap issues he created alone.
He is not getting the deal reworked or the money pushed so he can't be moved.
It's just is not going to happen nut huggers.

so in other words you are Assuming he did this purely for selfish reason with no proof. And you also pretend like you have a clue what the FO is thinking. Got it hater going to hate and make crap up. Good to know and foe you go. oh and FYI he has a no trade Claus he can already control pretty much everything, if he does not want to be moved he can control it, he can force them to tag him or let him go where he wants with the Hawks getting nothing. So you whole factless made up assumptions are worthless.

 

[JayhawkMike]

Russ needs to focus on beating cover 2 and leave the cap issues he created alone.
He is not getting the deal reworked or the money pushed so he can't be moved.
It's just is not going to happen nut huggers.

Let’s have a glorious first half of the season, an average second half and then a disappointing 1st/2nd round playoff exit and then find a rookie that doesn’t eat $32 million of the cap the next year. (I would love to be wrong on this btw). Of course we have no good draft picks to actually get a new QB for years but what does that matter.

BTW is John really that unschooled about how the salary cap/bonus issues work or are the Wilson love goggles just on too tight? Wilson would not be losing a single Penny of what he is getting now. Don’t know about Mahomes but if I remember right Brady actually took a lot less overall Salary so he could have a better team built around him. RW: accounting designation that changes nothing except salary cap designation on funds. Brady: less money

 

[Fade]

It's a good thing none of you are accountants. Yes. You can create short-term cap space and stretch it for a handful of years, but you are constricting your long-run cap flexibility because the space is still finite. Now, I doubt the average fan is going to notice that difference. Still, its effects will be fairly dramatic for the teams because it minimizes room for error and stretches that risk out over multiple seasons.

As for Wilson, he's getting paid whether he restructures or not, so let's not pretend this is some grand display of kindness. This hurts the front office's leverage in those contract negotiations, and with Wilson's uncertain future, restructuring is probably not something Seattle wants to do.

A handful of years? Lol. Long run cap? Lol. Ask the Saints, they laugh at the notion.

Mathematically you can always kick the can down the road. And when you finally have a bad year, you can turn it into a purge year, eat all the dead money and reset your cap.

The salary cap only exists at this juncture to keep player salaries down.

 

[John63]

Russ needs to focus on beating cover 2 and leave the cap issues he created alone.
He is not getting the deal reworked or the money pushed so he can't be moved.
It's just is not going to happen nut huggers.

Let’s have a glorious first half of the season, an average second half and then a disappointing 1st/2nd round playoff exit and then find a rookie that doesn’t eat $32 million of the cap the next year. (I would love to be wrong on this btw). Of course we have no good draft picks to actually get a new QB for years but what does that matter.

BTW is John really that unschooled about how the salary cap/bonus issues work or are the Wilson love goggles just on too tight? Wilson would not be losing a single Penny of what he is getting now. Don’t know about Mahomes but if I remember right Brady actually took a lot less overall Salary so he could have a better team built around him. RW: accounting designation that changes nothing except salary cap designation on funds. Brady: less money

First off no place did I say he would lose anything, fyi Brady did not lose anything nor did Mahomes. As usual those that want to look for bad ignore the good so ai will say it one more time just for you. He could have made it very hard and caused all kind of hell instead he chose to make it easy. If you cant undestadn that than I am sorry for you and foe you go

 

[John63]

It's a good thing none of you are accountants. Yes. You can create short-term cap space and stretch it for a handful of years, but you are constricting your long-run cap flexibility because the space is still finite. Now, I doubt the average fan is going to notice that difference. Still, its effects will be fairly dramatic for the teams because it minimizes room for error and stretches that risk out over multiple seasons.

As for Wilson, he's getting paid whether he restructures or not, so let's not pretend this is some grand display of kindness. This hurts the front office's leverage in those contract negotiations, and with Wilson's uncertain future, restructuring is probably not something Seattle wants to do.

A handful of years? Lol. Long run cap? Lol. Ask the Saints, they laugh at the notion.

Mathematically you can always kick the can down the road. And when you finally have a bad year, you can turn it into a purge year, eat all the dead money and reset your cap.

The salary cap only exists at this juncture to keep player salaries down.

you forgot that all players who willingly restructure get credit for helping their team unless you name is Wilson. :sarcasm_off:

 

[Fade]

The Seahawks spent $60M in capspace on JAGs in 2020. Their problem isn't capspace. It's how they're choosing to spend their capspace, and allocation of draft picks. Do a APY swap for whatever QB you want, they will be a worse team for it. No one has done more with less than Russell Wilson over the last 4 years.

 

[JayhawkMike]

Russ needs to focus on beating cover 2 and leave the cap issues he created alone.
He is not getting the deal reworked or the money pushed so he can't be moved.
It's just is not going to happen nut huggers.

Let’s have a glorious first half of the season, an average second half and then a disappointing 1st/2nd round playoff exit and then find a rookie that doesn’t eat $32 million of the cap the next year. (I would love to be wrong on this btw). Of course we have no good draft picks to actually get a new QB for years but what does that matter.

BTW is John really that unschooled about how the salary cap/bonus issues work or are the Wilson love goggles just on too tight? Wilson would not be losing a single Penny of what he is getting now. Don’t know about Mahomes but if I remember right Brady actually took a lot less overall Salary so he could have a better team built around him. RW: accounting designation that changes nothing except salary cap designation on funds. Brady: less money

First off no place did I say he would lose anything, fyi Brady did not lose anything nor did Mahomes. As usual those that want to look for bad ignore the good so ai will say it one more time just for you. He could have made it very hard and caused all kind of hell instead he chose to make it easy. If you cant undestadn that than I am sorry for you and foe you go

Except you are wrong on Brady. Way wrong.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tom-bra ... 018-7?op=1

Not going to discuss football with someone that is so consistently wrong on basic facts. Life’s too short