Redskins logo edited out during game

[Hollandhawk]

You know what worse than being 'woke'?

The fact that this place was asleep for so long.

180 years of the country massacring the natuvr people eho lived here, enslaving people who had nothing to do with the place. Then 100 more, establihing laws from a constitution that had to be amended to qualify men as equal. Hanging people from trees. Bombing their homes to drive them out neighborhoods they had every right to live in. Passing laws to prevent them from owning property. Allowing narcotics from other countries to be dropped in neighborhoods of color to maintain our very own, western 'caste' system. Liquor fed into Native peoples lands freely, but quality schools and other businesses held up. 'Breeding' native blood out of land owning native peoples to take their land and their rights, hanging folks from trees, burning them. Native peoples being denied the roght to practice traditions Mexicans being doused with gasoline and or DDT and in some cases set on fire to remove lice from them before being allowed to immigrate here.

Even in this league, trying to prove black players couldnt play qb to the point our very own Warren Moon had to play in Canada for years before getting a shot in the US. Black players not being granted medical claims around brain injury on the grounds they werent as smart as white players to begin with. Black QBs STILL being regarded as no quick enough at processing information...

Now 6o years since equal rights, 50 since fair housing, still no acknowledgement as to how drugs so easily get into certain neighborhoods in tbis country, it was just 1968 that the Native American Civil Rights Act was passed (but crap schools are still there, the alcohol is still there and native children disappear at a disproportionate rate on reservations).

... and 4 years since the NFL acknowledge 'race-norming' around brain injury.

And folks are getting upset over an Fing racist logo / team name being censored?

I dont even think they should censor it. Disallowed? Yes. But No - better to leave it to remind us all of how disgustingly 'sleep' and ignorantly blind this place (for all its promise) had been in TRULY ackowledging how UN EQUAL it continues to be.

60 years out of 250 of half hearted equality and people are annoyed at a logo being censored, 2 years after it was cancelled.

And 'wokeness' is the problem...

Brilliant ******* post. Thank you for writing it.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

I taught high school math for three years on the very reservation that gave the Redskins its logo - the Blackfeet reservation in north central Montana. Rumors circulated about an intended change of the name and logo years before it happened and I asked the locals there how they felt about the matter - they weren't happy. "That's OUR team!" my students often said. They actually took pride on having representation amongst the nation's professional sports teams, and some indigenous citizens outside that tribe shared the pride. Imagine that.

That's not the only opinion held on that reservation on the matter, of course, far from it, and I'm sure I'd have found the opposite if I'd dug further. But I also wonder how many white activists have any idea where the logo comes from, or how much diversity of opinion there is on the subject amongst our indigenous citizens.

 

[Ozzy]

There were also slaves who chose to remain in servitude of their masters. Thats not a reason to bring slavery back.

The overplaying of a small group of indigenous peoples who arent offended by the flag is just that. Has nothing to do with the fact that its offensive.

Imagine the Germans had a sports club called the Kikes that had a cool logo and team song. Woukd the fact that a few Jews (relative) chose to standup for the name be more important than the fact that the name is offenseive to begin with?its not just Indigenous peoples who should be offended.

We are talking about the term used to describe the number of dead indians one could claim to have killed

"The term red-skin was, in fact used in conjunction with scalp hunting in the 19th century. In 1863 a Winona, Minnesota, newspaper, the Daily Republican, printed an announcement: "The state reward for dead Indians has been increased to $200 for every red-skin sent to Purgatory. This sum is more than the dead bodies of all the Indians east of the Red River are worth."

How is EVERY human being who claims to be aware of the atrocities commited against the Native peoples of this country NOT be offended by the fact that we, as a society could be so Fing stupid as to put that name and an indian face on a football uniform?

Why? Because the chant is cool and there's a tradition of winning around it?

How you got that from my post is baffling. You can tell native Americans what they should or shouldn’t be offended or honored by. I’d rather not do that personally.

 

[keasley45]

How you got that from my post is baffling. You can tell native Americans what they should or shouldn’t be offended or honored by. I’d rather not do that personally.

I was responding to the part of your post that mentioned a group of native americans petitionsing to get the name back. I assume your post was in good part based on the feeling that not all native americans are offended, so we shouldnt censor for them assuming they all are. Right?

And my response was that 'sambo', the N word or similar slurs are offensive whether theres a fiction of the offended party that doesnt find it so.

Maybe if it was the N-word on the jersey being censored it would be easier to understand. Claiming rappers and some members of the Black community use it and arent offended isnt reason to ignore the fact that the term is offensive.

 

[Ozzy]

There is a difference between some and many, vast majority etc and if whole tribes are coming together to have this reinstated I think it’s different. Again me as a white man shouldn’t be in the business of telling Indian tribes they should be offended but they just don’t know it. You’re conflating stuff here imo.

 

[Ozzy]

Did you know Walter Wetzel a Native American designed the logo after getting input from local tribes? He was also the president of the national congress of American Indians. He is racist for designing it? It is racist to respect what American Indians requested for the logo? I don’t think it is. I also think if currently they decided they don’t want it anymore then throw it away. I just don’t think a bunch of white people should be dictating this is my point.

 

[Seahawker]

This should not be equated with racial slurs as many are confusing ceremonial or war paint to skin color. I would urge people to investigate NAGA, Native American Gardians Association and their involvement in this matter.
One of my brothers is 100% native and he doesn't think the name or logo in question is derogatory in any way.
Next they'll probably come for the Seahawks because the white man stole the top of Chief Seattle's totem pole.
Maybe take some time & examine the issue before drawing any conclusions.