Ray McDonald arrested for domestic violence...

[Marvin49]

LOL at Marvin's title: "arrested for domestic dispute..."

McDonald was arrested for domestic violence and has been charged in Santa Clara County with a felony. A dispute is what we engage in on this board. People are not charged with domestic violence for a mere dispute, they can be charged if there is probable cause of both violence and the resulting injury against one's partner.

Jeez...

...you put a lot more thought into it than I ever did. LOL.

Anywho, fixed.

 

[Marvin49]

ugg.

http://www.mercurynews.com/49ers/ci_264 ... blem-49ers

The San Jose Police Department said Monday it will not release the 911 call -- apparently from McDonald's pregnant fiancé -- that led to officers' 2:48 a.m. arrival at his home.

San Jose police Sgt. Heather Randol said in an email: "Only the victim or victim's representative is entitled to the tape." The police report was not immediately available, Randol stating that it can only be obtained through a written request, which would take 10 days to process.

According to police-dispatch audio, obtained by ABC7 News, McDonald's fiancée claimed he was "hitting her" and "was trying to pull her out of the house. She's 10 weeks pregnant and refusing medical."

 

[loafoftatupu]

...you'll excuse me if I trust my personal experience a bit more than some opposing fan on the internet.

No.. I won't excuse you.

You trusted the TV lawyer that told you Smith would win his cases over me and the judge that I provided intimate pleasure to when she was in law school.

You should trust me Marvin. I care.

 

[Marvin49]

ugg.

http://www.mercurynews.com/49ers/ci_264 ... blem-49ers

The San Jose Police Department said Monday it will not release the 911 call -- apparently from McDonald's pregnant fiancé -- that led to officers' 2:48 a.m. arrival at his home.

San Jose police Sgt. Heather Randol said in an email: "Only the victim or victim's representative is entitled to the tape." The police report was not immediately available, Randol stating that it can only be obtained through a written request, which would take 10 days to process.

According to police-dispatch audio, obtained by ABC7 News, McDonald's fiancée claimed he was "hitting her" and "was trying to pull her out of the house. She's 10 weeks pregnant and refusing medical."

Doesn't sound good, does it? Say the 49ers finish the season at like 9-7 (entirely possible with the way things are going), do you think Harbaugh will be kept or let go?

To be honest Peaches, that's the last thing on my mind.

 

[loafoftatupu]

To be honest Peaches, that's the last thing on my mind.

Harbs isn't going anywhere. 7-9.. whatever, he is Santa Clara football.

 

[Marvin49]

...you'll excuse me if I trust my personal experience a bit more than some opposing fan on the internet.

No.. I won't excuse you.

You trusted the TV lawyer that told you Smith would win his cases over me and the judge that I provided intimate pleasure to when she was in law school.

You should trust me Marvin. I care.

RIght...and I told you that lawyer said he'd serve no time in the slammer. How much time is he serving? I said the Judge would likely knock down the felony charges to misdemeanors which you said couldn't happen...there was no reason to do so. Open and shut. How many felonies did he end up being convicted of?

Right.

This also wasn't a TV lawyer. This happened to members of my extended family. I was right in the middle of it.

As shocking as it may be to you I actually happen to know a little something about this.

Does the fiancé backtracking (if she does) make it harder to convict him? Yes. Does that mean they drop charges and walk away? Not close.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

ugg.

http://www.mercurynews.com/49ers/ci_264 ... blem-49ers

The San Jose Police Department said Monday it will not release the 911 call -- apparently from McDonald's pregnant fiancé -- that led to officers' 2:48 a.m. arrival at his home.

San Jose police Sgt. Heather Randol said in an email: "Only the victim or victim's representative is entitled to the tape." The police report was not immediately available, Randol stating that it can only be obtained through a written request, which would take 10 days to process.

According to police-dispatch audio, obtained by ABC7 News, McDonald's fiancée claimed he was "hitting her" and "was trying to pull her out of the house. She's 10 weeks pregnant and refusing medical."

Plot thickens...

 

[Popeyejones]

Yup...painted into a corner bigtime. If he's guilty, I don't think the Niners have a choice.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -violence/

“I’ll be very clear,” Harbaugh said, via Matt Maiocco of CSNBayArea.com. “You ask me how I feel about domestic violence. I can be very clear about that. If someone physically abuses a woman and/or physically or mentally abuses or hurts a child then there’s no understanding, there’s no tolerance for that.”

Asked if he would not allow a player convicted of such charges to remain on his team, he replied: “Yes, we would not. We can be very clear.”

I think you could argue that Whitner relaying something Harbaugh said years ago might have painted him into a corner, but this is him making the conscious decision to respond directly to the question immediately following this incident. It's not his say what happens -- it's Baalke's -- but his lack of equivocation and clarity on the issue is awesome, and completely his decision.

TBH, this is the response I WANT from the coach of the team I root for.

Real question: how many coaches in the league would take this stance in the same situation and be as clear on this point? For all the teams that have had domestic violence allegations levied against one of their players, we already know that they wouldn't because they haven't.

Quite frankly, Harbaugh just did something very out of the ordinary in the NFL, and I hope there's even Hawks fans here who hate him who are able to give him credit for it. Of course there will be more who are too blinded by enmity to see it, but Harbaugh's response makes me feel better about being a 9ers fan than any number of victories, playoff, or Super Bowl wins can.

Who knows if he follows through, but seriously, I give Harbaugh credit. This is an org that worked to have the best pass-rusher in the league voluntarily sit out 1/3rd of the season to get the help he needed, and an org with a coach who unequivocally makes clear that he has zero-tolerance for domestic violence, and does so when the chips are on the table. Pending more info on what actually happened I hope he follows through.

 

[RichNhansom]

Well the smart thing to do would be for the team to suspend him until at least the team is satisfied he isn't guilty. Ignoring that is completely classless. There is zero question that something happened and even if Mac turned out to be a victim he still put himself in that situation so there is absolutely zero reason not to take action as a team, especially when your the team that leads the league in arrests over the last few years.

Goodell said not to long ago the NFL would start coming down on teams if they cannot control their players. I was made aware of this by Niner fans when we had a rash of PED violations. How does Goodell not take action when a team has the Niners reputation and looks to potentially be hiding behind the legal process?

It looks desperate IMO to put him back on the practice field after such an event. If he suits up for game one when there has been enough time to at least do a preliminary investigation and the team should be able to either come out and say we stand behind our player like Seattle just did with Lynch, or they take action or at very least hold him off the field until they can stand behind him. If they go into week one playing the "we don't know yet" card. It is pyre schadenfreude.

Hey Niner fans, you guys like to call Pete a cheater for the sanctions that went down at USC claiming the coach is ultimately responsible. Well here is your chance to back up your belief's. Either put pressure on your coach or call him a cheater. Alls fair. Keep in mind Pete was guilty of one of his players cheating the system over the coarse of ten years. Harbaugh is looking at 10 arrest's in three years. Please explain how Pete is worse.

By the way out of those 10 arrests, how many are still on the team?

 

[Popeyejones]

Well the smart thing to do would be for the team to suspend him until at least the team is satisfied he isn't guilty. Ignoring that is completely classless.

Putting the shoe on the other foot, should the Seahawks have voluntarily suspended Richard Sherman when he got popped for using PEDs?

Like it or not, the 9ers are the only org in recent memory to voluntarily sit down a star player for an extended period of time during a season so he could get the help he needed.

Pending release of the police report I hope Harbaugh sits McDonald on Sunday (he doesn't have the power to cut him), but I don't entirely buy your moral grandstanding on this one (or on any issue really, tbh).

 

[RichNhansom]

Yup...painted into a corner bigtime. If he's guilty, I don't think the Niners have a choice.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -violence/

“I’ll be very clear,” Harbaugh said, via Matt Maiocco of CSNBayArea.com. “You ask me how I feel about domestic violence. I can be very clear about that. If someone physically abuses a woman and/or physically or mentally abuses or hurts a child then there’s no understanding, there’s no tolerance for that.”

Asked if he would not allow a player convicted of such charges to remain on his team, he replied: “Yes, we would not. We can be very clear.”

I think you could argue that Whitner relaying something Harbaugh said years ago might have painted him into a corner, but this is him making the conscious decision to respond directly to the question immediately following this incident. It's not his say what happens -- it's Baalke's -- but his lack of equivocation and clarity on the issue is awesome, and completely his decision.

TBH, this is the response I WANT from the coach of the team I root for.

Real question: how many coaches in the league would take this stance in the same situation and be as clear on this point? For all the teams that have had domestic violence allegations levied against one of their players, we already know that they wouldn't because they haven't.

Quite frankly, Harbaugh just did something very out of the ordinary in the NFL, and I hope there's even Hawks fans here who hate him who are able to give him credit for it. Of course there will be more who are too blinded by enmity to see it, but Harbaugh's response makes me feel better about being a 9ers fan than any number of victories, playoff, or Super Bowl wins can.

Who knows if he follows through, but seriously, I give Harbaugh credit. This is an org that worked to have the best pass-rusher in the league voluntarily sit out 1/3rd of the season to get the help he needed, and an org with a coach who unequivocally makes clear that he has zero-tolerance for domestic violence, and does so when the chips are on the table. Pending more info on what actually happened I hope he follows through.

I hope he does too but using Aldon as an example when they put him back on the field the next game is not the best example. There was way more than enough evidence that Aldon was guilty of his SECOND DUI immediately after his arrest and you can bet the FO had the most information of all. Putting him back on the field says they were willing to ignore it. Him going into rehab on his own the following week could be lots of things. The only option the team had was whether or not to release him and that would have looked pretty bad if he was trying to get help. Now after the Airport fiasco, they should have again done something but again chose to turn a blind eye.

He gets credit for his statement but that's it. Credit. Now if he doesn't pay the bill that equally turns into bad credit. I could care less what someone says if their actions don't follow and we have already seen them ignore Brooks, Culliver and Aldon. The question is will the pressure to win over ride the ability to do the right thing?

When you lead the league in arrests it speaks much louder than words to anyone not wearing Niner colors. Especially when Harbaugh has a DUI of his own.

 

[RichNhansom]

Well the smart thing to do would be for the team to suspend him until at least the team is satisfied he isn't guilty. Ignoring that is completely classless.

Putting the shoe on the other foot, should the Seahawks have voluntarily suspended Richard Sherman when he got popped for using PEDs?

Like it or not, the 9ers are the only org in recent memory to voluntarily sit down a star player for an extended period of time during a season so he could get the help he needed.

Pending release of the police report I hope Harbaugh sits McDonald on Sunday (he doesn't have the power to cut him), but I don't entirely buy your moral grandstanding on this one (or on any issue really, tbh).

Completely different. PED's are cut and dry and there is a set process as well as penalty. We also didn't have ten players popped in 3 years and have cleared the roster of nearly every player that has been popped for PED's or Substance abuse.

How many players have you released or not resigned of the ten arrests?

 

[loafoftatupu]

...you'll excuse me if I trust my personal experience a bit more than some opposing fan on the internet.

No.. I won't excuse you.

You trusted the TV lawyer that told you Smith would win his cases over me and the judge that I provided intimate pleasure to when she was in law school.

You should trust me Marvin. I care.

RIght...and I told you that lawyer said he'd serve no time in the slammer. How much time is he serving? I said the Judge would likely knock down the felony charges to misdemeanors which you said couldn't happen...there was no reason to do so. Open and shut. How many felonies did he end up being convicted of?

Right.

This also wasn't a TV lawyer. This happened to members of my extended family. I was right in the middle of it.

As shocking as it may be to you I actually happen to know a little something about this.

Does the fiancé backtracking (if she does) make it harder to convict him? Yes. Does that mean they drop charges and walk away? Not close.

I didn't say that the crimes couldn't be reduced. I said there was no reason to and why would they? I also said I thought that he would be sentenced to less than 30 days, but that he would get something. As it is. .he got 12 days, on work program. Sounds like something to me. Go back and check.

Where I was really wrong was that he got the time for the DUI and not the gun charges (apparently)

Marvin, stop putting words in the mouths of the other members. It is just killing the quality of the board.

 

[Popeyejones]

The question is will the pressure to win over ride the ability to do the right thing?

For sure, and to make sure we're having a rational conversation, let's start by listing the NFL teams and coaches who have put "doing the right thing" over the pressure to win when it comes to their star players. Go for it. Start the list for us.


Like it or not with these comments Harbaugh has already done more of the "right thing" than any other coach in the league when presented with the same situation. If ultimately relevant I hope he follows through, but in proportionally judging his response if he doesn't, who are we comparing him to who has done the right thing? It's a real question.

Re: Aldon playing a game before being sent to rehab, you hate the 9ers so you'll never be convinced, but I take Harbaugh, Baalke, and York on their word on this one: he played that week for the same reason that they kept on paying him while in rehab (which they didn't have to do): they were worried about what would happen long term if they sent him off in the wild, they didn't want to create additional changes and pressures in his life before staging an intervention with his family and team, they had to get those pieces and places and wanted to make sure he was still around to do it. They kept paying him so he could focus on getting better without his financial situation causing outside pressure on his recovery process. Again, playing a guy who has been arrested for a DUI isn't abnormal. Every team with a player who has gotten a DUI has done that. Sending your star player in for treatment for a third of a season is very abnormal, you're just not ever going to give them any credit for it.

 

[Popeyejones]

Completely different. PED's are cut and dry and there is a set process as well as penalty.

LOL. If PEDs were cut-and-dry Sherman wouldn't have later gotten off. Are you suggesting that there are not processes and penalties too for off-field incidents? This is news to literally everybody.

If Harbaugh had just made note of processes and penalties (which he did as well) you'd be screaming for his head, but he didn't, he did something no NFL coach (who I can think of) has done before. Not expecting you to give him credit for it so I'll let it go, though. I for one am happy he was as unequivocal as he was, and should it be warranted, as a 9ers fan I hope he follows through.

 

[Laloosh]

Well the smart thing to do would be for the team to suspend him until at least the team is satisfied he isn't guilty. Ignoring that is completely classless.

Putting the shoe on the other foot, should the Seahawks have voluntarily suspended Richard Sherman when he got popped for using PEDs?

Like it or not, the 9ers are the only org in recent memory to voluntarily sit down a star player for an extended period of time during a season so he could get the help he needed.

Pending release of the police report I hope Harbaugh sits McDonald on Sunday (he doesn't have the power to cut him), but I don't entirely buy your moral grandstanding on this one (or on any issue really, tbh).

I tend to agree with benching him until they have more info. Not sure about suspension as the NFLPA would probably be on your ass about it and he could wind up being innocent.

With regard to them voluntarily sitting a star... what did they do with Brooks? Hit a freaking teammate over the head with a bottle and it's fine because the DA didn't press charges. Let's be completely honest. The amount of press that the incident gets dictates how quickly and how "morally" the team handles it.

I believe Harbaugh feels strongly about what he said, just don't act like the treatment thing with Aldon was all for his benefit. Let the guy play in a game right after that crap and THEN send him to treatment? Nah, he should have been sat. Send a message to the team, to the fans, to your own kids. 49ers caught a lot of heat about playing him and it was then, that they decided it was time for treatment (IIRC).

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about the timing on that last statement but it's how I remember it.

 

[Milehighhawk]

Completely different. PED's are cut and dry and there is a set process as well as penalty.

LOL. If PEDs were cut-and-dry Sherman wouldn't have later gotten off. Are you suggesting that there are not processes and penalties too for off-field incidents? This is news to literally everybody.

If Harbaugh had just made note of processes and penalties (which he did as well) you'd be screaming for his head, but he didn't, he did something no NFL coach (who I can think of) has done before. Not expecting you to give him credit for it so I'll let it go, though. I for one am happy he was as unequivocal as he was, and should it be warranted, as a 9ers fan I hope he follows through.

There is a clear difference. The banned substance policy is run by the NFL, it is an internal process wholly governed by the league and its associates. The team has very little say (if any) over how that runs end-to-end. Here there are external factors and processes involving the judicial systems and the team is more free (in my opinion) to act in parallel. Apples and oranges.

 

[Popeyejones]

The amount of press that the incident gets dictates how quickly and how "morally" the team handles it.

Of course, although again, let's name the teams and coaches that have responded accordingly.

The Panthers didn't cut Rae Carruth until a month after he murdered his 8 months pregnant girlfriend. It wasn't until after he fled and the cops found him hiding in the trunk of a car that the team did anything.

Ray Lewis was on trial for murder too and the Ravens never did a thing.

What did the Steelers org personally do to Roethelsberger after multiple rape allegations?

Since 2000 83 NFL players have been arrested for domestic violence. Of those 83 how many starters have had their head coaches unequivocally condemn domestic violence and say their team has zero tolerance for it? How many of them have been voluntarily punished by their teams before the NFL levied a punishment?

Real questions. I hope the 9ers do. It would make me proud of the team I root for, but I'm not going to delude myself into thinking they're any different than anyone else if they don't.

 

[Popeyejones]

Completely different. PED's are cut and dry and there is a set process as well as penalty.

LOL. If PEDs were cut-and-dry Sherman wouldn't have later gotten off. Are you suggesting that there are not processes and penalties too for off-field incidents? This is news to literally everybody.

If Harbaugh had just made note of processes and penalties (which he did as well) you'd be screaming for his head, but he didn't, he did something no NFL coach (who I can think of) has done before. Not expecting you to give him credit for it so I'll let it go, though. I for one am happy he was as unequivocal as he was, and should it be warranted, as a 9ers fan I hope he follows through.

There is a clear difference. The banned substance policy is run by the NFL, it is an internal process wholly governed by the league and its associates. The team has very little say (if any) over how that runs end-to-end. Here there are external factors and processes involving the judicial systems and the team is more free (in my opinion) to act in parallel. Apples and oranges.

1) Conduct unbecoming to the league is also an internal process governed by the league and its associates. It's why players are suspended despite not being convicted of crimes.

2) Coaches can start or sit whomever they want.

I think your apples might be oranges.

 

[Milehighhawk]

Completely different. PED's are cut and dry and there is a set process as well as penalty.

LOL. If PEDs were cut-and-dry Sherman wouldn't have later gotten off. Are you suggesting that there are not processes and penalties too for off-field incidents? This is news to literally everybody.

If Harbaugh had just made note of processes and penalties (which he did as well) you'd be screaming for his head, but he didn't, he did something no NFL coach (who I can think of) has done before. Not expecting you to give him credit for it so I'll let it go, though. I for one am happy he was as unequivocal as he was, and should it be warranted, as a 9ers fan I hope he follows through.

There is a clear difference. The banned substance policy is run by the NFL, it is an internal process wholly governed by the league and its associates. The team has very little say (if any) over how that runs end-to-end. Here there are external factors and processes involving the judicial systems and the team is more free (in my opinion) to act in parallel. Apples and oranges.

1) Conduct unbecoming to the league is also an internal process governed by the league and its associates. It's why players are suspended despite not being convicted of crimes.

2) Coaches can start or sit whomever they want.

I think your apples might be oranges.

1) It isn't an end-to-end process. Let me know if I have to fully define it for you.

2) I believe they cannot act outside the guidelines of the CBA concerning banned substance governance, otherwise they may suffer backlash from the NFLPA. So we will disagree on that point.

3) You have not addressed the fact these are two entirely different processes involving different agents, yet you continue to compare them.