Ray McDonald arrested for domestic violence...

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Scottemojo":3n8i4t4g said:
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Let's see if Jim Harbaugh is a man of his word -




“He said that we can do anything in the world and we can come and talk to him and he'll forgive us except put our hands on women," Whitner said. "If you put your hand on a woman, then you're done in his book.” As long as the team is not a bit thin at your position, of course.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... c-violence

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This sounds like San fran would be a good landing place for Michael Sam.

Seriously though the 49rs attorney is working so hard that he is going to be in the team photo.
 

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Marvin49":3c5mxcf1 said:
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This and the Kap and Lynch incidents don't really have much in common considering that neither of them were arrested and released on 25k bond. As desperate as you seem to want to believe nothing happened, pretty much everyone says "the truth will come out"... it means nothing.

Huh? Don't YOU hope nothing happened? I would hope EVERYONE hopes nothing happened.

Of course you are trying to deflect any criticism and act like the bigger person. It goes without saying that I would not want anyone to be involved in a DV incident. The world doesn't work that way, you can't just wish for things. At this point, I hope the appropriate justice is metered out and if it was a Seahawk I would not be trying to minimize anything.

We don't know what happened yet, other than what's been reported so far (which is just that she had bruises and he was arrested). A crazy night indeed...
 

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If I was Baalke/Harbaugh, I would cut his ass, asap.

49ers are spiraling out of control, nothing sends a message to the boys that they are profressionals than a firing, that this a job with public images on and off the field, even if McDonald was in the wrong or not, the message would hit hard: players need to stop putting the 49ers name into the headlines in a negative way.


Unless the 49ers Way truly is a Criminal's Path. Then Kudos.
 
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Archer":umvaaep2 said:
Marvin49":umvaaep2 said:
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This and the Kap and Lynch incidents don't really have much in common considering that neither of them were arrested and released on 25k bond. As desperate as you seem to want to believe nothing happened, pretty much everyone says "the truth will come out"... it means nothing.

Huh? Don't YOU hope nothing happened? I would hope EVERYONE hopes nothing happened.

Of course you are trying to deflect any criticism and act like the bigger person. It goes without saying that I would not want anyone to be involved in a DV incident. The world doesn't work that way, you can't just wish for things. At this point, I hope the appropriate justice is metered out and if it was a Seahawk I would not be trying to minimize anything.

We don't know what happened yet, other than what's been reported so far (which is just that she had bruises and he was arrested). A crazy night indeed...

WTF are you even talking about. At what point anywhere in this entire thread did I just wish it away or minimize this. If I recall I'm the only one who said "electric chair". All I've done here is say lets see what happened.

I'm not trying to act like anything. I just don't appear to be reveling in this news. If McDonald did this I want him unished just as much as anyone. I'm just not making that assumption right now because things have a way of turning out differently than they were initially reported.

I mean after all, Josh Shaw is hero, right?

Police are bound to make an arrest on the slightest of evidence even if there isn't a complaint from the victim. The law is written that way to protect those victims from themselves. It is the way the law has to be written or victims would constantly be victims again because they usually recant their story.

The byproduct of that though is that sometimes it never really happened. That has to be worked out.

Am I saying that McDonald is innocent? Hell freakin' no. All I'm saying is that anyone with any kind of reason would let this all play out before making any kind of kneejerk reaction.

If McDonald beat his pregnant wife, I'm all in favor of castration.
 

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This could happen to any team...including ours. A generous portion of the league consists of guys that would have difficulty out-thinking a grilled cheese sandwich.

I get no satisfaction in the Niners being diminished by off field infractions such as this. We are the top rivalry in the NFL and it's important to football that both teams field a top shelf product weekly. Buttttttttt, better them than us (knocking on wood).
 

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Marvin49":2algon6n said:
Archer":2algon6n said:
This and the Kap and Lynch incidents don't really have much in common considering that neither of them were arrested and released on 25k bond. As desperate as you seem to want to believe nothing happened, pretty much everyone says "the truth will come out"... it means nothing.

Huh? Don't YOU hope nothing happened? I would hope EVERYONE hopes nothing happened.
Something DID happen though because your guy got arrested! There was enough reasonable doubt to arrest the guy! Niner trolls desperate as hell trying to spin this. You dizzy yet MARV?
 
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Cam Inman ‏@CamInman · 6s
49ers Ray McDonald to @KTVU as he left jail: "The truth will come out. Everybody knows what kind of person I am. I'm a good-hearted person"
 

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Marvin49":24xofvay said:
Cam Inman ‏@CamInman · 6s
49ers Ray McDonald to @KTVU as he left jail: "The truth will come out. Everybody knows what kind of person I am. I'm a good-hearted person"
Marv, if it helps I hope it does and that he's innocent, but if he did it I want him in jail.
 

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MizzouHawkGal":2kw5nb8f said:
Marvin49":2kw5nb8f said:
Cam Inman ‏@CamInman · 6s
49ers Ray McDonald to @KTVU as he left jail: "The truth will come out. Everybody knows what kind of person I am. I'm a good-hearted person"
Marv, if it helps I hope it does and that he's innocent, but if he did it I want him in jail.


I'm with this statement 100% if he is innocent then cool. But if he did do it. He needs to rot in a hole.
 
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rlkats":2ugxmu56 said:
MizzouHawkGal":2ugxmu56 said:
Marvin49":2ugxmu56 said:
Cam Inman ‏@CamInman · 6s
49ers Ray McDonald to @KTVU as he left jail: "The truth will come out. Everybody knows what kind of person I am. I'm a good-hearted person"
Marv, if it helps I hope it does and that he's innocent, but if he did it I want him in jail.


I'm with this statement 100% if he is innocent then cool. But if he did do it. He needs to rot in a hole.

I'm in total agreement. I won't defend a wife beater...but I'm not gonna put that label on someone until I know the facts of the case.
 

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A couple facts to consider:

1. McDonald has been charged with FELONY domestic violence. Under CA law, domestic violence is a "wobbler" crime that may be charged as either a misdemeanor or a felony depending on the facts of the case (i.e. severity of the domestic violence and extent of physical injury) and the defendant's prior criminal history. Looking at the facts of this case, they elected to charge it as a felony. Even if McDonald managed to plead down to a misdemeanor conviction, he would still be subject to a six-game suspension with a potential escalator because the victim is pregnant.

2. In addition to the victim being pregnant, preliminary reports indicate the victim displayed physical evidence of abuse in the form of bruising. This is a key fact in the event that the victim either refuses to testify or changes her statement, a la Ray Rice's now wife.

The looming question now is whether Harbaugh and the 49ers will hide behind the need for a final adjudication, even if the facts are damning on their face. We know they chose to do this with Aldon Smith, playing him in a game just two days after he slammed his car into a tree with a BAC that was twice the legal limit. And even after Smith pled no contest to that charge and his three illegal weapons possession charges, they still refused to reprimand him with Harbaugh proclaiming that he was still a member of the team in good standing.

The 49ers are currently employing the same avoidance strategy with Chris Culliver, who is awaiting his own felony weapons possession charge after allegedly threatening someone with illegal brass knuckles following a hit and run. There is little doubt that the facts show Culliver is guilty of possessing that weapon, which is a felony in CA.

Whether Culliver and McDonald start in the season opener will speak volumes about how seriously Harbaugh and the 49ers view these offenses. Do they play them for the entire season as the legal process in Santa Clara continues to be delayed? That would hardly be "above reproach."
 

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hawknation2014":2cxum2oi said:
A couple facts to consider:

1. McDonald has been charged with FELONY domestic violence. Under CA law, donestic violence is a "wobbler" crime that may be charged as either a misdemeanor or a felony depending on the facts of the case (i.e. severity of the domestic violence and extent of physical injury) and the defendant's prior criminal history. Looking at the facts of this case, they elected to charge it as a felony. Even if McDonald managed to plead down to a misdemeanor conviction, he would still be subject to a six-game suspension with a potential escalator because the victim is pregnant.

2. In addition to the victim being pregnant, preliminary reports indicate the victim displayed physical evidence of abuse in the form of bruising. This is a key fact in the event that the victim either refuses to testify or changes her statement, a la Ray Rice's now wife.

The looming question now is whether Harbaugh and the 49ers will hide behind the need for a final adjudication, even if the facts are damning on their face. We know they chose to do this with Aldon Smith, playing him in a game just two days after he slammed his car into a tree with a BAC that was twice the legal limit. And even after Smith pled no contest to that charge and his three illegal weapons possession charges, they still refused to reprimand him with Harbaugh proclaiming that he was still a member of the team in good standing.

The 49ers are currently employing the same avoidance strategy with Chris Culliver, who is awaiting his own felony weapons possession charge after allegedly threatening someone with illegal brass knuckles following a hit and run. There is little doubt that the facts show Culliver is guilty of possessing that weapon, which is a felony in CA.

Whether Culliver and McDonald start in the season opener will speak volumes about how seriously Harbaugh and the 49ers view these offenses. Do they play them for the entire season as the legal process in Santa Clara continues to be delayed? That would hardly be "above reproach."

Really doesn't matter, due process and the facts are, never in the last 50 years have I seen someone make a open ended statement and then follow thru if the cost is high enough that it creates another issue. Talk is cheap, always has been. Doesn't make any of this right if true, makes us all look like sharks looking for anything to attack if it's not.

If this was a practice squad guy he would be gone, it's not, like I said, depends on the cost and value. They put him on the market someone will take him, maybe not at top end price but they would.
 
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hawknation2014":nkcbr6b1 said:
A couple facts to consider:

1. McDonald has been charged with FELONY domestic violence. Under CA law, domestic violence is a "wobbler" crime that may be charged as either a misdemeanor or a felony depending on the facts of the case (i.e. severity of the domestic violence and extent of physical injury) and the defendant's prior criminal history. Looking at the facts of this case, they elected to charge it as a felony. Even if McDonald managed to plead down to a misdemeanor conviction, he would still be subject to a six-game suspension with a potential escalator because the victim is pregnant.

2. In addition to the victim being pregnant, preliminary reports indicate the victim displayed physical evidence of abuse in the form of bruising. This is a key fact in the event that the victim either refuses to testify or changes her statement, a la Ray Rice's now wife.

The looming question now is whether Harbaugh and the 49ers will hide behind the need for a final adjudication, even if the facts are damning on their face. We know they chose to do this with Aldon Smith, playing him in a game just two days after he slammed his car into a tree with a BAC that was twice the legal limit. And even after Smith pled no contest to that charge and his three illegal weapons possession charges, they still refused to reprimand him with Harbaugh proclaiming that he was still a member of the team in good standing.

The 49ers are currently employing the same avoidance strategy with Chris Culliver, who is awaiting his own felony weapons possession charge after allegedly threatening someone with illegal brass knuckles following a hit and run. There is little doubt that the facts show Culliver is guilty of possessing that weapon, which is a felony in CA.

Whether Culliver and McDonald start in the season opener will speak volumes about how seriously Harbaugh and the 49ers view these offenses. Do they play them for the entire season as the legal process in Santa Clara continues to be delayed? That would hardly be "above reproach."

Jeez...

Yet another "if they don't assume guilt then they are horrible people" argument.

Please.

There is a legal system and there is a league punishment system, you insist that the team instill yet another layer of punishment for player who have not yet had their day in court.

Homerism at it's finest. That and the insistence that the SC DA is somehow complicit in hiding crimes which I've read before. You guys have some grand scheme cooked up with public officials, the team, and especially Harbaugh as grandmaster villains of the first order.

Quite creative. You peeps call ME delusional but you've got this whole conspiracy cooked up.

I started this thread to talk about stuff that was real, not your homerific, biased fantasies. I'm done with this thread.

Out.
 

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A third fact has emerged in the case. The Sacramento Bee reports that police responded to the scene at 2:48 AM and they viewed bruises on his fiancé's neck and arm. She was just 10 weeks pregnant.

http://www.sacbee.com/2014/08/31/666856 ... unday.html

I find it disconcerting that Santa Clara police have made a point of saying they will not be releasing the police report. Aldon Smith's 2nd DUI arrest happened on the same street, and then there was the peculiar occurrence of police stating they recovered marijuana from the vehicle and then suddenly that charge was rescinded. Reports surfaced that Smith had a medical marijuana card that would allow him to possess marijuana legally in CA. Also peculiar, the shooters at Smith's house party were mysteriously never discovered. Much less charged. And then the judge conveniently decided to knock down Smith's three felony charges to misdemeanors and refused to consider his first DUI/wet reckless upon sentencing even though the law says he could. Santa Clara is quickly becoming a playground for felonious conduct by 49er players.
 

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Let's get some shizzle straight here. He hasn't, officially been charged with ANYTHING. Until the District Attorney charges there is nothing. The Police can say anything they want and PUSH for a charge. This means, nothing until the DA gets involved. He was arrested and released. That is all we know.
 

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russoloco":ucfovc8i said:
Let's get some shizzle straight here. He hasn't, officially been charged with ANYTHING. Until the District Attorney charges there is nothing. The Police can say anything they want and PUSH for a charge. This means, nothing until the DA gets involved. He was arrested and released. That is all we know.

Hopefully, it's the same DA who decided to go on vacation the week that Aldon Smith was scheduled to be sentenced for his DUI and three felony weapons possession charges.
 

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russoloco":3ryu34hp said:
Let's get some shizzle straight here. He hasn't, officially been charged with ANYTHING. Until the District Attorney charges there is nothing. The Police can say anything they want and PUSH for a charge. This means, nothing until the DA gets involved. He was arrested and released. That is all we know.

My only question. How can you have a 25k bail and not be charged with something. Would they give that money back if he ends up not being charged?
 
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