Prevent D

[xray]

Maybe Carroll plays it that way because he doesn't have much confidence in the secondary to play them close and getting beat .
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[SoulfishHawk]

Come mid October, this D will look a lot different in the front 7. Especially with Reed and Ziggy coming back.

 

[rjdriver]

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Best after loss day for a Bengals fan in a long time.

A Marvin Lewis team would have had maybe 300 yards against us and would have been beaten handily at the Clink. I like those comments by Zac, I would imagine Cincy fans are feeling pretty good overall right now.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Then how do you explain the flea flicker play and the horrific defense by Thompson at the end of the half. They let BOTH guys get behind them.

That isn't scheme-related.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I never said it was scheme related. It's crappy player related. He is not a good enough player to be out there.

 

[bbsplitter]

I agree that this is the style of D that PC runs and for the most parts works pretty well. However I think this year we have some deficiencies that SHOULD be schemed around but unfortunately I don't think they will be.

Although we have Clowney now, our pass rush as a unit is still very unproven, and they will probably continue to send blitzing support until the front four proves they can get pressure on there own. In the season's where Pete's defense has worked the best, the front four have excelled in getting pressure. As soon as you start raiding the linebacker/coverage personnel to provide additional pressure however I think you run into problems with being able to keep the play in front.

 

[JGfromtheNW]

Hawks rarely went nickel defense, let alone having 6 or more DBs on the field at the same time to help with 4-5 WR sets. Pete was content taking away the run game by sticking to the base 4-3 personnel with 3 backers on the field. Their plan was to play Kendricks, Wagner and Wright as much as possible which lead to a ton of mismatches and the Bengals shredding all of the short/intermediate zones. Luckily good tackling limited yards after the catch for the vast majority of completions.

It'll be interesting to see how this gets mixed up going forward. Hawks seemed dead-set on playing as vanilla as possible, even though there were a number of blitzes. I understand the frustration of giving up 400+ yards to Andy Dalton, but Pete pretty much just disrespected the Bengals.

 

[Fade]

The death by a thousand paper cuts approach can be frustrating at times for fans, but it works. The offense will eventually screw up, and give you the ball back.

Giving up explosives is what you need to avoid, as it is the point of this strategy. ( TT needs to make that play. )

They tightened things up in the 2nd half and only surrendered 3 points.

I am personally a big fan of Pete Carroll's approach, and scheme on defense. Studying the game I think his is the easiest to implement, simple to learn, and be highly effective with minimal talent.

 

[Basis4day]

Then how do you explain the flea flicker play and the horrific defense by Thompson at the end of the half. They let BOTH guys get behind them.

Simple. You’re confusing scheme with execution.

Scheme is what they are supposed to do. Execution is what they did.

Do you really expect perfection?

 

[Heyseed]

LOB would have picked off at least 2 of those passes

 

[bbsplitter]

Then how do you explain the flea flicker play and the horrific defense by Thompson at the end of the half. They let BOTH guys get behind them.

Simple. You’re confusing scheme with execution.

Scheme is what they are supposed to do. Execution is what they did.

Do you really expect perfection?

To a point, however. If you need more pressure on the QB (as we currently do) than what your front four can provide, and you send blitzing support, you have to scheme around that lack of support in the backfield that you no longer have.

Sometimes I think Pete doesn't properly account for that and leaves his backfield in a bad position because they are still expected to keep everything in front of them, except with less personnel then they are used to. If you bring two extra linebackers, you can't always play straight up cover 3 as always expecting the same results, which I feel like happens quite a bit.

So yes, the execution definitely matters, but I think scheme has more of a constant share of the blame than you are giving credit for.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I don't expect perfection. I expect a guy like Thompson to make a BASIC PLAY. It was pathetic, and him being out of position and/or not making a play is the norm.