Playbook NFC showing how LOB got beat by Hilton

[Anonymous]

More specifically, Sterling Sharpe diagrams why Sherman got beat on that play for the TD.

He showed how Sherman cheated up to try and bait Luck to throw to the flat for a pick six. Sharpe showed that the Texans ran the exact play and the Gambling Sherman didn't drop into his zone to cut off the deep route because Earl had his back. Sherm's "cheating" paid off against the Texans, but not against the Colts. Earl didn't slide over because HE bit on a route and wasn't able to cover for Sherm deep.

Two things stand out watching that for me. First, Sherman is going to cheat up and not play his zone looking for the pick six a few times throughout the course of the game. Period. And ET and Kam are going to have to cover for him. The coaches are going to chew him for it, but Sherman is going to try to gamble once and a while, and if he has a high percentage of success, I'm all for it.

Second, I believe the Colts reviewed the tape of our comeback win of the Texans. They had to have reviewed the play Sherman got the pick six on and they decided to install the same play just to bait Richard into cheating-up again. All they had to do was get a really good route/fake on Earl to get him to be a few steps too far away to help out.

Think about it: The Colts ran the exact same play as Houston had the pick six on, and the exact opposite happened. You gotta hand it to the Colts, they prepared well against our secondary. Smart bastages they are.

I'd like to see some clear examples of that kind of attacking from Bevell and OUR offense. Take a successful defensive play from tape on an opponent and give them the same look to get the juices flowing, but pull a snafoo that gets them to bite for a burn. If you ask me, that's some of the most creative offensive game-planning I've seen in a while. They made Sherm look like a rookie.

 

[Bigpumpkin]

Yes...but I didn't hear Sherm admit that in his press conference this week....did you?

 

[Anonymous]

Nope, and he won't either.

Not sure if they are showing Playbook NFC again before tomorrow on NFLN, but it's a good watch. Very telling.

Make your own determination.

 

[bigtrain21]

I usually like Sharpe and think he is on point but he was way off base with that. It was pretty clear Sherm had the flat on that play. It wasn't even close to the same play anyway. He was making stuff up.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Earl choked and was late getting over. It happens.

 

[Scottemojo]

Not even close to the same play.

I think Sherm saw that Indy was trying to iso a guy on Irvin. Irvin would have been beat, Sherm had his guy, and Earl didn't pick up Hilton.

 

[Anonymous]

I usually like Sharpe and think he is on point but he was way off base with that. It was pretty clear Sherm had the flat on that play. It wasn't even close to the same play anyway. He was making stuff up.

The formation was exactly the same and so was the blocking assignments. The routes were slightly different.

When I saw it I was skeptical, but went back and watched the plays in each game on the DVR.

My point is more about how the Colts did the required homework to try and beat the LOB in a different way then other teams tried, and I want us to do stuff like that. Not trying to throw Sherm under the bus. It is, was it was.

 

[lobohawk]

Brock reviewed it similarly on his chalk talk. Three routes on the right. One in the flat, one about 10 yards out with receiver heading to sideline, and then a go along the sideline.

http://mynorthwest.com/422/2371536/Chalk-Talk-Seahawks-secondary-burned-by-Colts

 

[Erebus]

There was an article in the Seattle Times a little while ago talking about how Earl Thomas is playing closer to the LOS this year to be more aggressive and make more plays. I think we saw a negative side effect of that last Sunday.

http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2021844462_seahawks18xml.html

 

[HawKnPeppa]

Not even close to the same play.

I think Sherm saw that Indy was trying to iso a guy on Irvin. Irvin would have been beat, Sherm had his guy, and Earl didn't pick up Hilton.

Sherm had the deep third on that play. PC said as much. If he adjusted out of that, the communication between him an Earl was't good enough.

 

[seahawks08]

There was an article in the Seattle Times a little while ago talking about how Earl Thomas is playing closer to the LOS this year to be more aggressive and make more plays. I think we saw a negative side effect of that last Sunday.

http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2021844462_seahawks18xml.html

yes, I agree, while pressing more to take of the middle, he got burnt deep which is against Pete's philosophy. Ideally we give yards in the middle and then press in the redzone when the field is much smaller and the speed of our defense can make things happen. I would like to go that route for sure, unless a field goal would make a difference for an opponent to win a game in the last few seconds just like what happened in Atlanta. I think we are over engineering one game plan that worked against us in Atlanta to this season. I am still of the opinion of not letting anyone go over you and keeping the play in front of you, even if they carve out some yards. This defense should be happy to handle the redzone. Prior to getting burnt for the big play, I saw Earl running and making tackles in the line of scrimmage, which immediately made me think, that we may get burnt over the defenders. I still like him being fast and everything, but I prefer him to run sideline to sideline with his speed rather than come running towards the front. That in my opinion was the biggest change he has made coming into this season and makes us more vulnerable than the concept of bend and not break defense. I will be curios to see how he plays in the next game to see if things have changed.

 

[Axx]

please someone tweet this to sherman.
I want to hear him respond after this busted play.

 

[lukerguy]

See Cecil shorts 59 yard catch 2 weeks prior. No one cared because we were up so much, but if we had paid a bit more attention then, perhaps the hilton TD wouldn't have happened.

 

[Tical21]

He's kind of right. Sherman has deep third there, not the flat. Earl, even as fast as he is, can't be expected to get to a corner route when he has the middle third. Nowhere near the same play the Texans ran, but is a very common play. If Sherman had done his job, the intermediate route would have been open, which is really who the play is designed to go to against the coverage we had called. Sherman seemed to indicate pre-snap that he wanted Earl to slide over and get his back, but he just can't do that. If Earl had come all the way over, we give up a big play to the post on the backside.

The definition of Sherman's job in cover 3 is to be "as deep as the deepest, on that third of the field." Earl's is "as deep s the deepest in the middle third." Sherman gambled big and lost.

 

[Scottemojo]

He's kind of right. Sherman has deep third there, not the flat. Earl, even as fast as he is, can't be expected to get to a corner route when he has the middle third. Nowhere near the same play the Texans ran, but is a very common play. If Sherman had done his job, the intermediate route would have been open, which is really who the play is designed to go to against the coverage we had called. Sherman seemed to indicate pre-snap that he wanted Earl to slide over and get his back, but he just can't do that. If Earl had come all the way over, we give up a big play to the post on the backside.

The definition of Sherman's job in cover 3 is to be "as deep as the deepest, on that third of the field." Earl's is "as deep s the deepest in the middle third." Sherman gambled big and lost.

That is exactly what I saw. Sherm dropped his deep third assignment, and tried to let Earl know with a hand gesture. I am guessing this is something they saw on film. And if had kept his deep third assignment, the intermediate route would have eaten up Irvin and his zone. This idea that he was ball hawking doesn't pass the smell test.

I bet if I go back and look at Indy I can find that exact same play and maybe even the motion inside by Hilton that lets Luck know what is up. Certainly, that would be more what Sherm would act on than a vaguely similar look to the Texans game.

 

[bestfightstory]

He's kind of right. Sherman has deep third there, not the flat. Earl, even as fast as he is, can't be expected to get to a corner route when he has the middle third. Nowhere near the same play the Texans ran, but is a very common play. If Sherman had done his job, the intermediate route would have been open, which is really who the play is designed to go to against the coverage we had called. Sherman seemed to indicate pre-snap that he wanted Earl to slide over and get his back, but he just can't do that. If Earl had come all the way over, we give up a big play to the post on the backside.

The definition of Sherman's job in cover 3 is to be "as deep as the deepest, on that third of the field." Earl's is "as deep s the deepest in the middle third." Sherman gambled big and lost.

That is exactly what I saw. Sherm dropped his deep third assignment, and tried to let Earl know with a hand gesture. I am guessing this is something they saw on film. And if had kept his deep third assignment, the intermediate route would have eaten up Irvin and his zone. This idea that he was ball hawking doesn't pass the smell test.

I bet if I go back and look at Indy I can find that exact same play and maybe even the motion inside by Hilton that lets Luck know what is up. Certainly, that would be more what Sherm would act on than a vaguely similar look to the Texans game.

Nice work, both of you. Goddamn, it is satisfying to see others criticize our own 'stars' failings with objective analysis instead of 'protecting' them with lazy fanboy excuses.

 

[Anonymous]

At any rate, you can bet this stuff was discussed in the meetings. In a perfect world, you need to have a failure in coverage to identify the problem.

Is it just me, or is the complexity of this game the thing that makes it so damn cool?

 

[NINEster]

Is it just me, or is the complexity of this game the thing that makes it so damn cool?

It most certainly is.