Pick #69, Tyler Lockett, WR/KR/Gunner, KSU

[Hawkfan77]

Look at it this way: Basically we traded our 3rd round pick, Max Unger, our 5th round pick, and Percy Harvin for Tyler Lockett.

So, are you being snarky and saying Tyler ain't all that?

Just merely pointing out what we essentially gave up when you look at which picks we traded. It's a lot.

I like the player. But he comes at a steep cost.

Not really. What was the alternative? The Hawks cut Percy, no pick. U get was rumored to be a cap casualty, no pick and no Graham. Without those two trades, no Lockett.

Not a steep price at all. Quantity is good and all, but who cares we need quality and the Hawks got their guy. The guy they really really wanted. So no, it was not a lot to give up. Actually basing the trade value on the draft point chart, the Redskins got the raw end of the deal.

 

[hawksfanohio]

Repeat after me..

We got the red zone threat we needed in the first round......

Exactly! How many TD's will there be to go around with Lynch and Graham getting the majority of them?

 

[brimsalabim]

I am surprised that we went up for a kick returner but that was a glaring need. Now we better devote some resources to finding some potential NFL starters for our offensive line!!!

 

[TXHawk]

I saw K-State play on TV a few times last year and Lockett absolutely jumped off the screen every time I saw them. The kid is a playmaker who breaks defenders' ankles with his cuts. We needed a WR and KR/PR and Schneider and Carroll obviously thought enough of him to move up to get him. Love the pick.

Oh, and let's stop repeating this "we gave up four picks" nonsense. We swapped third round picks. We gave up THREE additional picks. Math isn't that hard.

 

[McGruff]

Four picks for a return man . . . interesting.

He's a WR, KR and gunner.

It was only three picks. We swapped thirds and gave them three low picks. And from what I've seen, this guy has a ton of upside as a receiver, as well as being the versatile WR/KR/Gunner we needed badly all last year.

If I told you . . .

With our 3rd round pick we get an electric, big play making WR
With our 4th round pick we get the nations best returner
With our 5th round pick we get a great gunner on ST's
With our 6th round pick we get a bag of skittles for Marshawn

You'd probably think we did pretty good . . . and that is basically what we just did.

 

[12thbrah]

He does look like Antonio Brown 2.0. Even if he doesn't play right away as a WR which I think he will because of his route running, his ability to contribute on special teams will ensure that he gets on the field and contributes right away.

We did give up a lot but I believe the Hawks knew there were only a few players available on Day 2 they felt could contribute immediately. Seahawks had the ammo to get the guys they wanted. No point in having 11 draft picks knowing that most might not have a chance to make the squad.

 

[crosfam]

The Dolphins once spent a high 1st round pick on Ted Ginn. I would take a young Ted Ginn for what we spent on Lockett. If he turns into a 3rd or 4th receiver, then great! Bonus. KR/PR was a glaring weakness.

As for receiver, I think Chris Williams will have a break out year and end up a starter, with a bigger contract to follow. Norwood will work his way into an every down player, while Kearse plays well, but takes a bigger contract next year, making room for guys like Lockett and Richardson, and Norwood to play more (and get paid more). Maybe Angry Doug will be on the move in a year or two, then we draft another receiver in 2016.

As I said before, no way 11 rookies make this team. I was hoping they would part with a pick and take Gregory, but obviously they targeted Clark.

 

[Donn2390]

Four picks for a return man . . . interesting.

He's a WR, KR and gunner.

It was only three picks. We swapped thirds and gave them three low picks. And from what I've seen, this guy has a ton of upside as a receiver, as well as being the versatile WR/KR/Gunner we needed badly all last year.

If I told you . . .

With our 3rd round pick we get an electric, big play making WR
With our 4th round pick we get the nations best returner
With our 5th round pick we get a great gunner on ST's
With our 6th round pick we get a bag of skittles for Marshawn

You'd probably think we did pretty good . . . and that is basically what we just did.

It's nice to see positive feedback after reading so many Debbie Downers who know more about personnel than our FO...

 

[acbass]

I think this is the one player JS/PC really wanted in this draft. Say what you want about his size but he looks to be a fantastic route runner. When I watched his highlights that's what jumped out at me. He created separation many times with his ability to sell his routes, especially on double moves. Poor route running cost us a second Super Bowl ring. Ricardo stumbled through the first few steps of his route on that faithful play. I don't see this guy doing that at all. Clean breaks, able to make DBs bite, smart, hard worker, AND he can return kicks? No wonder they wanted this guy so much. If this was their guy, and I think it was, then I don't care at all what thy gave up to get him. We had 11 picks going into this draft. So what if you give a few away to jump up and take someone you really believe can be a difference maker. Plus, the rumors I've been hearing is that the Texans were going to take him with that next pick. That's why we had to give away what we did. The Texans settled on Strong but wanted Lockett. I REALLY like this pick. I mean I REALLY do. I think we are going to look back at this pick in a couple of years and think "what a steal." Who knows? Maybe the 3rd round is the Seahawks "sweet spot." Russell and Tyler. Both 3rd round picks. This is how legendary front offices are made. They find guys like this. Hell, our FO has already changed the way many teams draft and approach the game. They really wanted this guy and knew 11 players weren't gonna make the cut, and there was probably no other spot in the draft where moving up would have been that beneficial after this. Give me quality, ladies and gentleman. I'll take 5 picks that turn out to be contributors over 11 picks where half will be bagging groceries come September.

 

[EastCoastHawksFan]

Seems to me like we just drafted Golden Tate 2.0 ... Me like

 

[Smellyman]

I think this is the one player JS/PC really wanted in this draft. Say what you want about his size but he looks to be a fantastic route runner. When I watched his highlights that's what jumped out at me. He created separation many times with his ability to sell his routes, especially on double moves. Poor route running cost us a second Super Bowl ring. Ricardo stumbled through the first few steps of his route on that faithful play. I don't see this guy doing that at all. Clean breaks, able to make DBs bite, smart, hard worker, AND he can return kicks? No wonder they wanted this guy so much. If this was their guy, and I think it was, then I don't care at all what thy gave up to get him. We had 11 picks going into this draft. So what if you give a few away to jump up and take someone you really believe can be a difference maker. Plus, the rumors I've been hearing is that the Texans were going to take him with that next pick. That's why we had to give away what we did. The Texans settled on Strong but wanted Lockett. I REALLY like this pick. I mean I REALLY do. I think we are going to look back at this pick in a couple of years and think "what a steal." Who knows? Maybe the 3rd round is the Seahawks "sweet spot." Russell and Tyler. Both 3rd round picks. This is how legendary front offices are made. They find guys like this. Hell, our FO has already changed the way many teams draft and approach the game. They really wanted this guy and knew 11 players weren't gonna make the cut, and there was probably no other spot in the draft where moving up would have been that beneficial after this. Give me quality, ladies and gentleman. I'll take 5 picks that turn out to be contributors over 11 picks where half will be bagging groceries come September.

It's like, I want a big receiver who wins jump balls while covered.....or.......get a receiver who never has to win a jump ball....because he is ALWAYS OPEN.

I don't know if I have ever seen a receiver more open consistently than Lockett.

 

[kidhawk]

One thing I've seen and read so far is his ability to get separation. We have guys who can make catches, but how many times have we begged for someone to get open for Wilson to throw the ball to when he's running for his life? If he can be that guy on 3rd down as well as an improvement on special teams then we spent our picks wisely

 

[JimmyG]

What if I told you Lockett had the same measurables as Golden Tate in the combine.. save for about 10 lbs (which he can easily put on in an NFL workout program) and hand size?

Golden Tate's abilities had nothing to do with measurables though. He had an almost unparalleled ability to take on contact and slip his way through for extra yardage. That's almost intangible. In terms of YAC ability, Tate was probably one of the best in football. The comparisons just feel kind of lazy and superficial.

 

[pmedic920]

Football is a team sport.
One guy from the draft, does not a team make.
The trick to drafting players, is finding guys the are a "fit".
This guy may not be the our savior but he appears to be a good "fit" that fills a need.

 

[grizbob]

Football is a team sport.
One guy from the draft, does not a team make.
The trick to drafting players, is finding guys the are a "fit".
This guy may not be the our savior but he appears to be a good "fit" that fills a need.

Kinda like fitting the system? Aint that this FOs forte the last few years :roll:

 

[SeatownJay]

I'm not gonna wait for the official thread, Tyler Lockett is my official 2015 Adopt-A-Rookie.

 

[CurryStopstheRuns]

I think JS got bent over on compensation to the 'Skins. Maybe he needs to stop doing deals with just his friends, because they sure don't do us any favors.

Lockett fits the Seahawk-y mold. Bit of a poor man's Tate in some regards, but he runs wicked routes. I don't mind that they moved up for him, but as I've been saying this off-season, we are getting reamed constantly on draft compensation.

Is This an opinion or do you have a chart that shows the Seahawks were fleeced?

 

[jake206]

I'm glad we got him, he fills a need...don't get me wrong. But why did we have to trade 3 picks for this guy?? Redskins picked the similar skillset guy in round 4...Jamison Crowder.

 

[therealjohncarlson]

Oh, and let's stop repeating this "we gave up four picks" nonsense. We swapped third round picks. We gave up THREE additional picks. Math isn't that hard.

I know most people don't really care about this but you're actually wrong on this part. We gave up 4 picks for their 1; what sets our third round pick apart from the rest of the picks we gave up that that one specific pick is that one we swapped? Just because it's in the same round as the pick we got? Doesn't really make sense to use that language based on consistency and during times that trades are made with picks made exclusively from other rounds as the acquiring pick.

Say for example instead of giving up what we did for their third round pick we gave up two 4ths and a 5th. Would you arbitrarily say we swapped one of our 4th round picks for their 3rd rounder and gave up 2 additional picks? No, you would just say we traded 3 picks for 1. So based on this logic it makes sense to say we did give up 4 picks. I think the language you're looking for is our net loss was 3 picks

 

[TXHawk]

Oh, and let's stop repeating this "we gave up four picks" nonsense. We swapped third round picks. We gave up THREE additional picks. Math isn't that hard.

I know most people don't really care about this but you're actually wrong on this part. We gave up 4 picks for their 1; what sets our third round pick apart from the rest of the picks we gave up that that one specific pick is that one we swapped? Just because it's in the same round as the pick we got? Doesn't really make sense to use that language based on consistency and during times that trades are made with picks made exclusively from other rounds as the acquiring pick.

Prior trade the Seahawks had 11 picks; after the trade they had 8 picks. Do the math. They didn't give up four picks. They significantly improved their third round draft position in exchange for three later round picks. To say they gave up four picks for Tyler Lockett is extremely misleading.