Pick #69, Tyler Lockett, WR/KR/Gunner, KSU

[rideaducati]

Love the route running but seems very redundant in our offense.

Redundancy at a much lower cost.

 

[Hasselbeck]

What if I told you Lockett had the same measurables as Golden Tate in the combine.. save for about 10 lbs (which he can easily put on in an NFL workout program) and hand size?

Lockett is probably a better route runner than Tate was coming out of college as well.

But if you watch Lockett's film and compare it to Tate's in college .. (KEYWORD: COLLEGE.. since I think many people have clouded memories of Tate thanks to this season and the Super Bowl season) .. they are very, very similar.

I get it.. we all clamored for that 6-3 .. 6-4 .. 6-5 monster. Hell I was foaming at the mouth for DGB. But Tyler Lockett can play and he will instantly have an effect on this team simply with his return skills. It's a huge difference fair catching everything as opposed to getting 10-20 extra yards for a drive.. sometimes more than that.

 

[Siouxhawk]

For all those saying he's Tate 2.0, here's something Tate didn't do for us:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JacsonBevens/status/594320984787652608[/tweet]

Only problem is that he'll be wasted in Bevell's system, with its hyper-simplistic route trees.

I don't think he cares as long as he wins a Super Bowl ring in Bevell's system.

 

[Spin Doctor]

What if I told you Lockett had the same measurables as Golden Tate in the combine.. save for about 10 lbs (which he can easily put on in an NFL workout program) and hand size?

Lockett is probably a better route runner than Tate was coming out of college as well.

But if you watch Lockett's film and compare it to Tate's in college .. (KEYWORD: COLLEGE.. since I think many people have clouded memories of Tate thanks to this season and the Super Bowl season) .. they are very, very similar.

I get it.. we all clamored for that 6-3 .. 6-4 .. 6-5 monster. Hell I was foaming at the mouth for DGB. But Tyler Lockett can play and he will instantly have an effect on this team simply with his return skills. It's a huge difference fair catching everything as opposed to getting 10-20 extra yards for a drive.. sometimes more than that.

I said this earlier, and I'll say this again -- Tate and Lockett do NOT have that much in common, especially coming out of college.

 

[BlueThunder]

Love it man! Love it love it LOVE IT! We's gots us a return man! huge.

 

[hieroglyphics]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=62&v=9yVl6cPcgZE

[youtube]9yVl6cPcgZE[/youtube]

Check out Lockett at 0:52, jukes the DB out of the building.

 

[dopeboy206]

What if I told you Lockett had the same measurables as Golden Tate in the combine.. save for about 10 lbs (which he can easily put on in an NFL workout program) and hand size?

Lockett is probably a better route runner than Tate was coming out of college as well.

But if you watch Lockett's film and compare it to Tate's in college .. (KEYWORD: COLLEGE.. since I think many people have clouded memories of Tate thanks to this season and the Super Bowl season) .. they are very, very similar.

I get it.. we all clamored for that 6-3 .. 6-4 .. 6-5 monster. Hell I was foaming at the mouth for DGB. But Tyler Lockett can play and he will instantly have an effect on this team simply with his return skills. It's a huge difference fair catching everything as opposed to getting 10-20 extra yards for a drive.. sometimes more than that.

I watched a lot of Golden Tate when he played at ND since they played on NBC every week and I don't see it. Tate is tougher and more physical by far. In college I remember him going for the jumpballs and played bigger than his size. Lockett looks more elusive and has more flexibility in terms of shake and bake.

 

[Chukarhawk]

Man, the more I see of him the more im thinking we struck gold.

 

[rideaducati]

I don't understand all the hate for short WRs - short WRs basically destroyed our CBs in the Super Bowl. They were complimented by a game changing TE, which we have now, and an veteran WR with a little bit of size - which we have.

Point being, now that we have Graham, the need for another lumbering big bodied WR is much less - especially considering big WRs don't return balls or really play special teams at all so they'd be in no man's land on our team.

You are totally right that we got sliced and diced by short receivers, and you are right that the addition of Graham lessens the "need" for a big wr BUT being able to send a tall receiver on both sides would be an awesome advantage for us to have.

Nothing wrong with people still wanting a tall WR but I think Pete and John have made it clear by now that being tall is absolutely not a requirement.

Chris Matthews and Douglas McNeil who are tall for WR, Kevin Norwood on the 6-2 size, I say we have a decent amount of tall guys, plus Graham will be a WR/TE combo for us. We needed a guy that could get separation and Tyler looks like that dude, look at his crazy jukes, someone's mashing juke buttons.

Not only those two, they can also throw in Willson at 6'5 and McCoy at 6'5 to go along with Graham and Matthews. If they choose to go with an empty backfield, they can throw Ricardo Lockette or Norwood in at 6'2 too. I don't think a tall receiver is or ever was a necessity in this draft. I think finding a guy that can get open and puts in more effort to make catches was the necessity. Kearse better watch out because if any WR steps up in preseason, he might be gone which would save the Seahawks $2,356,000.

 

[ducks41468]

People are excited about getting a return man, but hopefully we actually got a good receiver because giving up 3 picks for a return man is a large price to pay. You don't draft return specialists in the 3rd round.

 

[Hasselbeck]

I watched a lot of Golden Tate when he played at ND since they played on NBC every week and I don't see it. Tate is tougher and more physical by far. In college I remember him going for the jumpballs and played bigger than his size. Lockett looks more elusive and has more flexibility in terms of shake and bake.

Lockett is going for those same jump balls on more than one occasion in these highlight videos of his.

 

[rideaducati]

People are excited about getting a return man, but hopefully we actually got a good receiver because giving up 3 picks for a return man is a large price to pay. You don't draft return specialists in the 3rd round.

You do if your best option was Bryan Walters. Well worth the price if it means never seeing another Bryan Walters type returning punts.

 

[ducks41468]

People are excited about getting a return man, but hopefully we actually got a good receiver because giving up 3 picks for a return man is a large price to pay. You don't draft return specialists in the 3rd round.

You do if your best option was Bryan Walters. Well worth the price if it means never seeing another Bryan Walters type returning punts.

I don't know about that. If your punter or kicker sucks, yeah, it's gonna hurt you, but that doesn't mean you draft a replacement in the first few rounds. Frankly I feel like the value of a kick returner is overstated. How much does the average NFL returner impact a game compared to a Walters type? Last year we were 25th in punt return yardage at 7 ypg. San Diego, at 16th, averaged 8.8. Only three teams had more than one punt return TD all year. Considering how little variability there is, how much of a difference does it really make?

 

[BlueThunder]

People are excited about getting a return man, but hopefully we actually got a good receiver because giving up 3 picks for a return man is a large price to pay. You don't draft return specialists in the 3rd round.

You also never want to underestimate the value of an awesome returner... Field position. Huge. But if he turns out to be a legitimate receiving threat as well, then... bonus! I can't wait to hear what Pete and John have to say about the pick. I trust those guys implicitly...

 

[Scottemojo]

I wasn't thrilled about the price tag, but I love the pick.

 

[SalishHawkFan]

What if I told you Lockett had the same measurables as Golden Tate in the combine.. save for about 10 lbs (which he can easily put on in an NFL workout program) and hand size?

Lockett is probably a better route runner than Tate was coming out of college as well.

But if you watch Lockett's film and compare it to Tate's in college .. (KEYWORD: COLLEGE.. since I think many people have clouded memories of Tate thanks to this season and the Super Bowl season) .. they are very, very similar.

I get it.. we all clamored for that 6-3 .. 6-4 .. 6-5 monster. Hell I was foaming at the mouth for DGB. But Tyler Lockett can play and he will instantly have an effect on this team simply with his return skills. It's a huge difference fair catching everything as opposed to getting 10-20 extra yards for a drive.. sometimes more than that.

I watched a lot of Golden Tate when he played at ND since they played on NBC every week and I don't see it. Tate is tougher and more physical by far. In college I remember him going for the jumpballs and played bigger than his size. Lockett looks more elusive and has more flexibility in terms of shake and bake.

So you're saying when Russell scrambles, Lockett will juke his man off him and come open?

Tate was great when he got the ball in space. He was a RB/WR hybrid. But he could disappear on this offense and Baldwin was RW's go to guy. Rice opened it up deep.

This Lockett maybe works out to be a better fit? Time will tell.

 

[hieroglyphics]

I don't understand all the hate for short WRs - short WRs basically destroyed our CBs in the Super Bowl. They were complimented by a game changing TE, which we have now, and an veteran WR with a little bit of size - which we have.

Point being, now that we have Graham, the need for another lumbering big bodied WR is much less - especially considering big WRs don't return balls or really play special teams at all so they'd be in no man's land on our team.

You are totally right that we got sliced and diced by short receivers, and you are right that the addition of Graham lessens the "need" for a big wr BUT being able to send a tall receiver on both sides would be an awesome advantage for us to have.

Nothing wrong with people still wanting a tall WR but I think Pete and John have made it clear by now that being tall is absolutely not a requirement.

Chris Matthews and Douglas McNeil who are tall for WR, Kevin Norwood on the 6-2 size, I say we have a decent amount of tall guys, plus Graham will be a WR/TE combo for us. We needed a guy that could get separation and Tyler looks like that dude, look at his crazy jukes, someone's mashing juke buttons.

Not only those two, they can also throw in Willson at 6'5 and McCoy at 6'5 to go along with Graham and Matthews. If they choose to go with an empty backfield, they can throw Ricardo Lockette or Norwood in at 6'2 too. I don't think a tall receiver is or ever was a necessity in this draft. I think finding a guy that can get open and puts in more effort to make catches was the necessity. Kearse better watch out because if any WR steps up in preseason, he might be gone which would save the Seahawks $2,356,000.

Cut Kearse?

You mean the guy who sent us to the Super Bowl, and nearly won it for us as well?

Cut that guy? The one whose come up big time after time?

Screw Norwood, Kearse is worth every penny we pay him, which isn't much considering how money he is when it counts.

 

[Spin Doctor]

I don't understand all the hate for short WRs - short WRs basically destroyed our CBs in the Super Bowl. They were complimented by a game changing TE, which we have now, and an veteran WR with a little bit of size - which we have.

Point being, now that we have Graham, the need for another lumbering big bodied WR is much less - especially considering big WRs don't return balls or really play special teams at all so they'd be in no man's land on our team.

You are totally right that we got sliced and diced by short receivers, and you are right that the addition of Graham lessens the "need" for a big wr BUT being able to send a tall receiver on both sides would be an awesome advantage for us to have.

Nothing wrong with people still wanting a tall WR but I think Pete and John have made it clear by now that being tall is absolutely not a requirement.

Chris Matthews and Douglas McNeil who are tall for WR, Kevin Norwood on the 6-2 size, I say we have a decent amount of tall guys, plus Graham will be a WR/TE combo for us. We needed a guy that could get separation and Tyler looks like that dude, look at his crazy jukes, someone's mashing juke buttons.

Not only those two, they can also throw in Willson at 6'5 and McCoy at 6'5 to go along with Graham and Matthews. If they choose to go with an empty backfield, they can throw Ricardo Lockette or Norwood in at 6'2 too. I don't think a tall receiver is or ever was a necessity in this draft. I think finding a guy that can get open and puts in more effort to make catches was the necessity. Kearse better watch out because if any WR steps up in preseason, he might be gone which would save the Seahawks $2,356,000.

Willson is not a great receiver, nor is he that great at the jump ball, McCoy hasn't played in years, Matthews has only had one big game. Graham is the only big target that we can rely on, we have no outside receiving threats, and really I don't think Lockett is going to change that. He's not going to be somebody who commands double coverage, opening up things underneath for guys like Baldwin.

 

[HawkFan72]

Look at it this way: Basically we traded our 3rd round pick, Max Unger, our 5th round pick, and Percy Harvin for Tyler Lockett.

 

[rideaducati]

People are excited about getting a return man, but hopefully we actually got a good receiver because giving up 3 picks for a return man is a large price to pay. You don't draft return specialists in the 3rd round.

You do if your best option was Bryan Walters. Well worth the price if it means never seeing another Bryan Walters type returning punts.

I don't know about that. If your punter or kicker sucks, yeah, it's gonna hurt you, but that doesn't mean you draft a replacement in the first few rounds. Frankly I feel like the value of a kick returner is overstated. How much does the average NFL returner impact a game compared to a Walters type? Last year we were 25th in punt return yardage at 7 ypg. San Diego, at 16th, averaged 8.8. Only three teams had more than one punt return TD all year. Considering how little variability there is, how much of a difference does it really make?

I could tell by your post that you "don't know about that". It seems that you don't think that the kid can be as good as Kearse. What I watched of his highlights, he looks like he could boot Kearse off the team as a rookie.

Thinking Lockett isn't worth three late round picks looks silly because they still have 6 late round picks left to use. That is just the price you have to pay to move up a whole round in the draft.

Tyler broke his father's school records for career receptions and yards. In 2014, was selected second-team All-American as an all-purpose player and first-team All-Big 12. Was also a Biletnikoff Award semifinalist (nation's top wide receiver). Two-time Big 12 Special Teams Player of the Year (2014 and 2013). In 2013, selected first-team All-Big 12 as a wide receiver and kick returner. Caught three touchdown passes in Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl and was selected as Offensive MVP. Honorable mention All-Big 12 in 2012, finishing with four receiving touchdowns and two kick-return touchdowns. Named 2011 Big-12 Offensive Freshman of the Year and second-team All-Big 12 kick returner. Won a Class 5A State Championship as a senior at Booker T. Washington (Okla.).