Pick #27 Rashaad Penny RB

[SanDiego49er]

I was a Hernandez guy myself, but if they were going to take a runningback in the 1st I wanted it to be Penny.

We all knew Pete was going to want a runningback in the 1st after watching the clown car show that has been the Seahawks running game for 2 seasons.

Just be happy they took the right one. He checks all of the boxes.

Size, Speed, Vision, Elusive, Durable, Hardworker, Humble, Run after Contact, Run after Catch.

Pass Pro is all he really needs to work on.

Beast.

Those concerned with the competition he has faced. He ripped it up against ASU & Stanford. Then killed it at the Senior Bowl all week.

Please save the bitching for when they pick bad players.

There is a lot of truth in this post.

 

[SanDiego49er]

I've now watched all of Penny's carries from last season. While the total body of work is impressive, I question the overall quality of his competition. Yes, he faced ASU and Stanford, but neither were good against the run in 2017.

Rushing defense stats for Rashaad Penny's opponents in 2017:

UC Davis - FCS team, ranked 109th in rushing yards allowed per game (out of 123 FCS teams)
Arizona State - 96th in rushing yards allowed per carry, 78th in rushing yards allowed per game
Stanford - 80th in per carry, 68th in per game
Air Force - 130th in per carry (dead last in FBS), 118th in per game
Northern Illinois - 5th in per carry, 16th in per game
UNLV - 120th in per carry, 123rd in per game
Boise State - 15th in per carry, 17th in per game
Fresno State - 17th in per carry, 11th in per game
Hawai'i - 113th in per carry, 111th in per game
San Jose State - 118th in per carry, 129th in per game (2nd worst in FBS)
Nevada - 74th in per carry, 110th in per game
New Mexico - 85th in per carry, 65th in per game
Army - 116th in per carry, 75th in per game

So I have to correct my initial statement to say that Penny faced THREE good teams against the run: Northern Illinois, Boise State, and Fresno State.

How did he perform in these games? It's a mixed bag.
Northern Illinois - 25 carries for 107 yards (4.3 YPC), 0 TDs
Boise State - 21 carries for 53 yards (2.5 YPC), 1 TD
Fresno State - 15 carries for 69 yards (4.6 YPC), 0 TDs
Combined - 61 carries for 229 yards (3.7 YPC), 1 TD

Thoughts as a USD insider?

This is super easy to explain. Boise State and Fresno State they fell behind and eventually lost both games. They did not run Penny much in those games. Their QB is garbage and cost them some games. He sucks. It was all Penny. The YPC average is bumped up by Penny because he may have 1 for 90 yards. Or another for 65 yards. He does that all the time. Huge, very explosive plays. But they stopped running him in those games. Because they were behind and trying to catch up. They were throwing. I went personally to both games. I was there so I know what happened.

Now you want to say some of the teams were not great run defenses? Well this works both ways. Do you really think Penny had an Alabama line to run behind? NO HE DID NOT! His line is very average. His QB is sub par garbage. The WR's outside were below average. There were no other threats out there. It was all Penny. This effects him in a lot of ways.

Coming in to the year teams would stack an 8 man box to try to stop Penny. When they realized how bad the QB was they would do ridiculous things like 9 guys on the line to try to stop him. They still couldn't! He ran all over them.

If it's just weak competition how come the Pac 12 can't stop him? Because they did not and can't. How come he was so explosive against the supposed best players in college football at the Senior Bowl? Because they can't stop his explosive plays and had absolutely no answer for Penny. He was one of the standouts.

Plus like I said it works BOTH ways. If you think his competition was lower he was also playing with a lessor O Line, awful QB, sub par WR's. All of which would have opened things up for him big time if he had it. Which he did not. It's the same argument with Josh Allen. It's like as if his sucky O Line and garbage WR's didn't effect him. Of course it did. Josh Allen wasn't playing with Alabama or Ohio State.

Against any competition level including Pac 12 and the Senior Bowl he was hugely explosive and a big time play maker. Nobody can stop him. He's going to be GREAT for your team and your fans will love him very quickly.

It's San Diego State Aztecs (SDSU). USD is University of San Diego Torreros. A different University here which also has some players. Just to clarify.

Yes, thank you. SDSU is the party school, right? :2thumbs:

Some good info here. I appreciate your insights.

Yes San Diego State University is known as a party school. More so than University of San Diego (USD) Torreros which is a small private Catholic school. SDSU is notorious for big partying or fun for that depending how you look at it.

 

[SanDiego49er]

This is exactly the guy I was hoping they picked since I saw some tape on him last month. I think he has the opportunity to be special. Time will tell, I guess. Let's see how this plays out until we go all chicken little

He will be very special. He's vastly underrated on your board. Wait until you see him play. He will be great.

 

[hawknation2018]

This is exactly the guy I was hoping they picked since I saw some tape on him last month. I think he has the opportunity to be special. Time will tell, I guess. Let's see how this plays out until we go all chicken little

He will be very special. He's vastly underrated on your board. Wait until you see him play. He will be great.

People here are comparing him Marshall Faulk & Marshawn Lynch. If that is overrated, then maybe I should be excited!

 

[SanDiego49er]

I've now watched all of Penny's carries from last season. While the total body of work is impressive, I question the overall quality of his competition. Yes, he faced ASU and Stanford, but neither were good against the run in 2017.

Rushing defense stats for Rashaad Penny's opponents in 2017:

UC Davis - FCS team, ranked 109th in rushing yards allowed per game (out of 123 FCS teams)
Arizona State - 96th in rushing yards allowed per carry, 78th in rushing yards allowed per game
Stanford - 80th in per carry, 68th in per game
Air Force - 130th in per carry (dead last in FBS), 118th in per game
Northern Illinois - 5th in per carry, 16th in per game
UNLV - 120th in per carry, 123rd in per game
Boise State - 15th in per carry, 17th in per game
Fresno State - 17th in per carry, 11th in per game
Hawai'i - 113th in per carry, 111th in per game
San Jose State - 118th in per carry, 129th in per game (2nd worst in FBS)
Nevada - 74th in per carry, 110th in per game
New Mexico - 85th in per carry, 65th in per game
Army - 116th in per carry, 75th in per game

So I have to correct my initial statement to say that Penny faced THREE good teams against the run: Northern Illinois, Boise State, and Fresno State.

How did he perform in these games? It's a mixed bag.
Northern Illinois - 25 carries for 107 yards (4.3 YPC), 0 TDs
Boise State - 21 carries for 53 yards (2.5 YPC), 1 TD
Fresno State - 15 carries for 69 yards (4.6 YPC), 0 TDs
Combined - 61 carries for 229 yards (3.7 YPC), 1 TD

Thoughts as a USD insider?

This is super easy to explain. Boise State and Fresno State they fell behind and eventually lost both games. They did not run Penny much in those games. Their QB is garbage and cost them some games. He sucks. It was all Penny. The YPC average is bumped up by Penny because he may have 1 for 90 yards. Or another for 65 yards. He does that all the time. Huge, very explosive plays. But they stopped running him in those games. Because they were behind and trying to catch up. They were throwing. I went personally to both games. I was there so I know what happened.

Now you want to say some of the teams were not great run defenses? Well this works both ways. Do you really think Penny had an Alabama line to run behind? NO HE DID NOT! His line is very average. His QB is sub par garbage. The WR's outside were below average. There were no other threats out there. It was all Penny. This effects him in a lot of ways.

Coming in to the year teams would stack an 8 man box to try to stop Penny. When they realized how bad the QB was they would do ridiculous things like 9 guys on the line to try to stop him. They still couldn't! He ran all over them.

If it's just weak competition how come the Pac 12 can't stop him? Because they did not and can't. How come he was so explosive against the supposed best players in college football at the Senior Bowl? Because they can't stop his explosive plays and had absolutely no answer for Penny. He was one of the standouts.

Plus like I said it works BOTH ways. If you think his competition was lower he was also playing with a lessor O Line, awful QB, sub par WR's. All of which would have opened things up for him big time if he had it. Which he did not. It's the same argument with Josh Allen. It's like as if his sucky O Line and garbage WR's didn't effect him. Of course it did. Josh Allen wasn't playing with Alabama or Ohio State.

Against any competition level including Pac 12 and the Senior Bowl he was hugely explosive and a big time play maker. Nobody can stop him. He's going to be GREAT for your team and your fans will love him very quickly.

It's San Diego State Aztecs (SDSU). USD is University of San Diego Torreros. A different University here which also has some players. Just to clarify.

In watching the Boise State Highlights, I noted they were targeting Penny as though there were no other options for the SDSU offense. Would that be your evaluation on the other games as well??? I did not watch all of your guys games and am curious. Thanks.

Yes they targeted Penny big time. No there were not many other options. Their QB was sub par garbage. He could not win a game on his back if his life depended on it. He was good when Penny would run wild early in games and he could just game manage and not turn the ball over. Trying to come from behind is not his strong suit. They didn't run Penny much after they fell behind. They were passing a lot. So that effected his stats. Penny is the real deal and is going to be a great pro. He has Pro Bowl potential. I really wish we got him instead. But for Penny and as a San Diego State Aztecs fan I'm really happy for him and wish him all the best there. I hope he has a great career. I think he will if he stays healthy and they build the O Line around him a little bit.

 

[SanDiego49er]

This is exactly the guy I was hoping they picked since I saw some tape on him last month. I think he has the opportunity to be special. Time will tell, I guess. Let's see how this plays out until we go all chicken little

He will be very special. He's vastly underrated on your board. Wait until you see him play. He will be great.

People here are comparing him Marshall Faulk & Marshawn Lynch. If that is overrated, then maybe I should be excited!

He's the best guy since Marshall Faulk at San Diego State. Plus Faulk is perfect proof that you can have a super elite guy come out of San Diego State at RB in the NFL. He is the best player at the position they had since Faulk. There is absolutely no doubt at all. I think he will have a brilliant career and wish him all the best. I will follow him and watch him for sure. I love Penny. He is just great and a great humble hard working kid from a good family too.

 

[SanDiego49er]

I'm OK with the pick, although I would have preferred Hernandez as a sure fire road grating guard to finally solidify this terrible line. Could plug that dude right in.

Only problem I have with Penny is I'm already hearing Pete saying he's going to share carries and be on special teams. I guess that's fine? But if you're drafting a RB in the first round, he better be your 25 carriers a game bell cow back.

I feel like you can get a sharing carries RB/kick returner later in the draft.

That's exactly what he is. A bell cow back with 30 + carries a game. Plus huge special teams value and mostly major injury free. He is an absolutely great pick for you.

 

[SanDiego49er]

I like this kid and so did the Seahawks. They were forced to take him in the First because of other teams interested in taking him in the early second. You know the round JS pissed away with bad trades. What was bad last night was JS trade from 18 to 27. Absolutely dumb on so many levels. Teams must know that Seattle is very easily Fleeced in trades.

The Saints gave up a 2019 1st Rounder to jump from 27 to 14, and the Seahawks got back a mid-3rd to slide from 18 to 27. Dope.

He is easily worth that pick. In fact he is worth more. He has the potential to be a top 10 - 15 player in this draft. He is hugely explosive, fast, powerful, with great vision and huge production. Throw in awesome special teams value. Don't let the supposed "media experts" fool you. They have never seen Penny play. They don't get nationally televised games at San Diego State. He is the real deal. I've seen him every game of his career. He's absolutely awesome. You got the steal of the 1st round. He is far better than the 27th pick. Way better.

 

[SanDiego49er]

The only real argument against is strength of competition. He played well against Stanford Arizona state and played well at the senior bowl I don't buy that argument. The other argument is they could have gotten him later ,no he was coming off the board late first early second round so they had to take him at 27 that's been confirmed at this point .

I agree with a lot of the points here. Further I would tell you he is far better than the 27th best player in this draft. More like a top 10 - 15 player and potential Pro Bowler. If he stays healthy and you put a good O Line in front of him he will blow holes in the NFL. He's awesome.

 

[SanDiego49er]

You have made a great, great pick. Don't pay attention to the fools to think they know something about Rashaad Penny. I live here in San Diego. I have season tickets to the San Diego State Aztecs. I've seen every game he played both home and away in person and on TV. Rashaad Penny is the REAL DEAL!

5'11" 220 lbs. 4.46 forty yard dash. 2,248 yards rushing, 23 TD's. 7 kick return TD's (tied for an FBS record). He also had punt return TD's in addition to that. Which is all the more impressive when you consider they were terrified to even kick to him. They did not kick to him. If they kicked to him he would have 15 return TD's. He is awesome on special teams and awesome as a RB too.

He catches so good that they would line him up wide and send him deep sometimes. Plus he makes plays that way. They thought at one time of putting him at WR because he catches so well.

Stop paying attention to the FOOLS who think they know something about Penny. He is pretty much on par with Barkley for explosive plays. He may have more yards than Barkley. I could see him be offensive rookie of the year. He has the ability. He's hugely explosive with great vision and moves. The so called "experts" and "analysts" just watch nationally televised games. Therefore they see USC, LSU, Georgia and others and assume (wrongly) that those guys are great or better than Penny (they are not). Penny is just from a less known program, does not get the exposure, does not get the nationally televised games. Both posters on here and analysts suffer from this problem. They have not seen him play and they think they so called experts are right. They are wrong!

I will tell you this. Your GM said they would pick him at #18. He is worth every bit of that. He's a STEAL at #27. In fact if he stays healthy and you build your O Line a bit around him people will look back at this draft and wonder why he was picked #27. Because truth be told he is FAR BETTER THAN THAT. You just got a top 10 - 15 player in this draft. He will go to Pro Bowls if he can stay healthy. I wish we got him. But you did. Good for you.

The guys who are complaining about this are soon to be proven badly wrong. Wait and see!

Thanks for the info, much appreciated! :2thumbs:

Thanks.

 

[SanDiego49er]

You have made a great, great pick. Don't pay attention to the fools to think they know something about Rashaad Penny. I live here in San Diego. I have season tickets to the San Diego State Aztecs. I've seen every game he played both home and away in person and on TV. Rashaad Penny is the REAL DEAL!

5'11" 220 lbs. 4.46 forty yard dash. 2,248 yards rushing, 23 TD's. 7 kick return TD's (tied for an FBS record). He also had punt return TD's in addition to that. Which is all the more impressive when you consider they were terrified to even kick to him. They did not kick to him. If they kicked to him he would have 15 return TD's. He is awesome on special teams and awesome as a RB too.

He catches so good that they would line him up wide and send him deep sometimes. Plus he makes plays that way. They thought at one time of putting him at WR because he catches so well.

Stop paying attention to the FOOLS who think they know something about Penny. He is pretty much on par with Barkley for explosive plays. He may have more yards than Barkley. I could see him be offensive rookie of the year. He has the ability. He's hugely explosive with great vision and moves. The so called "experts" and "analysts" just watch nationally televised games. Therefore they see USC, LSU, Georgia and others and assume (wrongly) that those guys are great or better than Penny (they are not). Penny is just from a less known program, does not get the exposure, does not get the nationally televised games. Both posters on here and analysts suffer from this problem. They have not seen him play and they think they so called experts are right. They are wrong!

I will tell you this. Your GM said they would pick him at #18. He is worth every bit of that. He's a STEAL at #27. In fact if he stays healthy and you build your O Line a bit around him people will look back at this draft and wonder why he was picked #27. Because truth be told he is FAR BETTER THAN THAT. You just got a top 10 - 15 player in this draft. He will go to Pro Bowls if he can stay healthy. I wish we got him. But you did. Good for you.

The guys who are complaining about this are soon to be proven badly wrong. Wait and see!

Fantastic insight. I’m very impressed with the pick, so can’t relate to some of the armchair GMs on this board. He will be a great player for us and I’m happy we got him where we got him.

Now we need to get o-line, CB, and some d-line talent and this team will be ready to roll.

If you put a great O Line in front of him he will unleash hell on the NFL. Penny is the real deal.

 

[SanDiego49er]

For what its worth a ton of guys had Penny as the #2 RB in this class. He also ranked first in many "advanced stat" categories.

He is at worst the 2nd best RB in this class. Only Barkley you could put ahead of him. He is no slouch of an athlete himself. He is hugely explosive, powerful, strong and stocky and massively productive. In addition he brings elite special teams ability. In fact he might even be the best one. He was way more productive than Barkley.

 

[SanDiego49er]

Patriots were going to draft him if we didn't . They had to settle for Sony instead to bad for them they didn't take Guice or Jones either. So much for the argument he wasn't a highly rated RB.

He wasn't highly rated by STUPID "analysts" and "experts" on the internet. Because they have never seen him play. They see Georgia, USC, LSU and others and assume those guys are great. They have no idea what is going on at San Diego State and probably never have seen him play even one game. In other words they have no idea what they are talking about. I saw a lot of nonsense about Penny for months and months on the internet. I knew it was BS.

 

[SanDiego49er]

The bottom line is this. A lot of the so called "analysts" and "experts" have just NEVER seen him play. San Diego State does not get the big program publicity or the nationally televised games. I saw enormous amounts of absolute nonsense all over the internet about Penny for months and months. It was really frustrating as a San Diego State Aztecs fan and as a local San Diego guy who goes to the games. Because I knew it was blatantly WRONG. But a lot of people bought it.

Penny is big, strong, powerful, very fast, extremely explosive, hugely productive, great vision, excellent moves. He has awesome special teams value in the superior range. A talent like this was never going to go late or even middle rounds. He was going to go EARLY. He went exactly where he should go. 1st round. That's what he is. A 1st round talent. In fact he is far better than the 27th best player in this draft. You got a top 10 - 15 player in this draft and the 1st round STEAL of the draft. He will be a Pro Bowler if he stays healthy.

Nobody on the Seahawks board or anywhere else for that matter should be complaining about this. They just show their ignorance and lack of familiarity with Penny. They show that they know absolutely nothing about him.

He has a chance to have more yards than Barkley. He can be in the running for Offensive Rookie of the year. He is that good, that explosive and that productive.

Here is how this going to go. By week 4 and 1/4 way through the season people will realize he is a really good player. By week 8 you will think he is great. By week 16 and fully through his rookie year you will see that you have a future Pro Bolwer on your hands and the STEAL of the 1st round. He is far better than even where you picked him. No question about it.

Now this is assuming he stays healthy. Plus that you also build the O Line around him somewhat. I understand you have had some O Line troubles in recent times. Nobody can do it alone. They have to block for him too. But if they do and he stays healthy he will blow up the NFL. My guess would be 99.5% of your posters are not going to complain about this guy a few weeks in. They just think the misinformation the received on the internet is correct (It is DEAD WRONG). The internet does not know anything about Penny. I saw so much BS about him it's unbelievable. He is one of the best players in this draft. You guys landed something AWESOME. I wish we got him. But you do and I love Penny and wish him all the best in the future in the NFL. I will follow him and keep up on him. I will probably watch your guys team a lot next year and in the years to come. I actually like Russell Wilson a lot too. He was a Wisconsin Badger. I have a lot of relatives in that area and went to some games with him in that time period too. So you now have 2 of my favorite guys from 2 college teams I follow and love. The Wisconsin Badgers and the San Diego State Aztecs.

I look forward to seeing Penny do well and i think he will. The doubters don't know anything about him and will be proven wrong IMO. Sooner than you think. Wait and see.

 

[hawknation2018]

The bottom line is this. A lot of the so called "analysts" and "experts" have just NEVER seen him play. San Diego State does not get the big program publicity or the nationally televised games. I saw enormous amounts of absolute nonsense all over the internet about Penny for months and months. It was really frustrating as a San Diego State Aztecs fan and as a local San Diego guy who goes to the games. Because I knew it was blatantly WRONG. But a lot of people bought it.

Penny is big, strong, powerful, very fast, extremely explosive, hugely productive, great vision, excellent moves. He has awesome special teams value in the superior range. A talent like this was never going to go late or even middle rounds. He was going to go EARLY. He went exactly where he should go. 1st round. That's what he is. A 1st round talent. In fact he is far better than the 27th best player in this draft. You got a top 10 - 15 player in this draft and the 1st round STEAL of the draft. He will be a Pro Bowler if he stays healthy.

Nobody on the Seahawks board or anywhere else for that matter should be complaining about this. They just show their ignorance and lack of familiarity with Penny. They show that they know absolutely nothing about him.

He has a chance to have more yards than Barkley. He can be in the running for Offensive Rookie of the year. He is that good, that explosive and that productive.

Here is how this going to go. By week 4 and 1/4 way through the season people will realize he is a really good player. By week 8 you will think he is great. By week 16 and fully through his rookie year you will see that you have a future Pro Bolwer on your hands and the STEAL of the 1st round. He is far better than even where you picked him. No question about it.

Now this is assuming he stays healthy. Plus that you also build the O Line around him somewhat. I understand you have had some O Line troubles in recent times. Nobody can do it alone. They have to block for him too. But if they do and he stays healthy he will blow up the NFL. My guess would be 99.5% of your posters are not going to complain about this guy a few weeks in. They just think the misinformation the received on the internet is correct (It is DEAD WRONG). The internet does not know anything about Penny. I saw so much BS about him it's unbelievable. He is one of the best players in this draft. You guys landed something AWESOME. I wish we got him. But you do and I love Penny and wish him all the best in the future in the NFL. I will follow him and keep up on him. I will probably watch your guys team a lot next year and in the years to come. I actually like Russell Wilson a lot too. He was a Wisconsin Badger. I have a lot of relatives in that area and went to some games with him in that time period too. So you now have 2 of my favorite guys from 2 college teams I follow and love. The Wisconsin Badgers and the San Diego State Aztecs.

I look forward to seeing Penny do well and i think he will. The doubters don't know anything about him and will be proven wrong IMO. Sooner than you think. Wait and see.

You should change your name to SanDiegoSeahawk. It has a ring to it.

 

[SanDiego49er]

The bottom line is this. A lot of the so called "analysts" and "experts" have just NEVER seen him play. San Diego State does not get the big program publicity or the nationally televised games. I saw enormous amounts of absolute nonsense all over the internet about Penny for months and months. It was really frustrating as a San Diego State Aztecs fan and as a local San Diego guy who goes to the games. Because I knew it was blatantly WRONG. But a lot of people bought it.

Penny is big, strong, powerful, very fast, extremely explosive, hugely productive, great vision, excellent moves. He has awesome special teams value in the superior range. A talent like this was never going to go late or even middle rounds. He was going to go EARLY. He went exactly where he should go. 1st round. That's what he is. A 1st round talent. In fact he is far better than the 27th best player in this draft. You got a top 10 - 15 player in this draft and the 1st round STEAL of the draft. He will be a Pro Bowler if he stays healthy.

Nobody on the Seahawks board or anywhere else for that matter should be complaining about this. They just show their ignorance and lack of familiarity with Penny. They show that they know absolutely nothing about him.

He has a chance to have more yards than Barkley. He can be in the running for Offensive Rookie of the year. He is that good, that explosive and that productive.

Here is how this going to go. By week 4 and 1/4 way through the season people will realize he is a really good player. By week 8 you will think he is great. By week 16 and fully through his rookie year you will see that you have a future Pro Bolwer on your hands and the STEAL of the 1st round. He is far better than even where you picked him. No question about it.

Now this is assuming he stays healthy. Plus that you also build the O Line around him somewhat. I understand you have had some O Line troubles in recent times. Nobody can do it alone. They have to block for him too. But if they do and he stays healthy he will blow up the NFL. My guess would be 99.5% of your posters are not going to complain about this guy a few weeks in. They just think the misinformation the received on the internet is correct (It is DEAD WRONG). The internet does not know anything about Penny. I saw so much BS about him it's unbelievable. He is one of the best players in this draft. You guys landed something AWESOME. I wish we got him. But you do and I love Penny and wish him all the best in the future in the NFL. I will follow him and keep up on him. I will probably watch your guys team a lot next year and in the years to come. I actually like Russell Wilson a lot too. He was a Wisconsin Badger. I have a lot of relatives in that area and went to some games with him in that time period too. So you now have 2 of my favorite guys from 2 college teams I follow and love. The Wisconsin Badgers and the San Diego State Aztecs.

I look forward to seeing Penny do well and i think he will. The doubters don't know anything about him and will be proven wrong IMO. Sooner than you think. Wait and see.

You should change your name to SanDiegoSeahawk. It has a ring to it.

I think it will be sort of a 2nd team now for me. Which is highly unusual for a 49ers fan. LOL. It's almost painful in some ways. But I really have followed Russel Wilson and hugely Rashaad Penny over the years from 2 different programs that I have various associations with. I really like both guys a lot and they are great people too. I will definitely follow you guys quite a lot. Plus probably cheer for you against anybody but the 49ers and Packers. Both of which I have some family and geography and relatives associations with. It's certainly a team I will follow and at least hope some individual guys do very well. I think he will do good things in the future for you.

 

[Jac]

For what its worth a ton of guys had Penny as the #2 RB in this class. He also ranked first in many "advanced stat" categories.

He is at worst the 2nd best RB in this class. Only Barkley you could put ahead of him. He is no slouch of an athlete himself. He is hugely explosive, powerful, strong and stocky and massively productive. In addition he brings elite special teams ability. In fact he might even be the best one. He was way more productive than Barkley.

It's going to be fun this year with the potential Barkley vs. Penny on field production. I listen to NFL Radio on my commutes, and it was non-stop Cleveland Browns as well as non-stop Barkley conversation. It'll be fun seeing whether the widely-panned Penny pick outperforms the "generational talent" Barkley.

 

[SanDiego49er]

For what its worth a ton of guys had Penny as the #2 RB in this class. He also ranked first in many "advanced stat" categories.

He is at worst the 2nd best RB in this class. Only Barkley you could put ahead of him. He is no slouch of an athlete himself. He is hugely explosive, powerful, strong and stocky and massively productive. In addition he brings elite special teams ability. In fact he might even be the best one. He was way more productive than Barkley.

It's going to be fun this year with the potential Barkley vs. Penny on field production. I listen to NFL Radio on my commutes, and it was non-stop Cleveland Browns as well as non-stop Barkley conversation. It'll be fun seeing whether the widely-panned Penny pick outperforms the "generational talent" Barkley.

He can outperform Barkley. He certainly did in college. You need to fix up your offensive line. I understand that was problematic in recent times. But Penny is really special. If he says healthy and you can block decently for him he will put up really big numbers.

I think Barkley is an excellent player. But he is on an awful team. They seem to bust their picks for 10 - 15 years in a row. I mean they get a top 5 pick for a decade in a row it seems. Yet they still get no better. They won 1 game in 2 years. I mean who does that? It's incredible. Their entire front office and coaching staff should be fired. They are an absolute joke. If you get the absolute best players in college for a decade in a row and still can't get better but continually get worse and this past year bottomed out at 0 - 16 something is seriously wrong. Their ownership should even sell the team. It has to go all the way to the top when it is that bad.

 

[Jac]

For what its worth a ton of guys had Penny as the #2 RB in this class. He also ranked first in many "advanced stat" categories.

He is at worst the 2nd best RB in this class. Only Barkley you could put ahead of him. He is no slouch of an athlete himself. He is hugely explosive, powerful, strong and stocky and massively productive. In addition he brings elite special teams ability. In fact he might even be the best one. He was way more productive than Barkley.

It's going to be fun this year with the potential Barkley vs. Penny on field production. I listen to NFL Radio on my commutes, and it was non-stop Cleveland Browns as well as non-stop Barkley conversation. It'll be fun seeing whether the widely-panned Penny pick outperforms the "generational talent" Barkley.

He can outperform Barkley. He certainly did in college. You need to fix up your offensive line. I understand that was problematic in recent times. But Penny is really special. If he says healthy and you can block decently for him he will put up really big numbers.

I think many here feel that we've effectively added five new draft choices and/or free agents to the offensive line because the upgrade from Cable to Solari has the potential to be that significant. This year's line as a unit, wherever it lands, will not look like last year's line.

 

[Grahamhawker]

:ditto:

Just for fun I read some of the draft grades. The ones panning the Penny choice look like they all read the same script. They all tout O-line being the issue (which it is...) and several mentioned 'lack of investment in the O-line'. Closer analysis shows investment is not the problem (as we all know). Not one website mentioned the wholesale changes the new coaching regime should bring with it.