PFF Grades for OL vs carolina

[Shanegotyou11]

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Interesting

 

[Scorpion05]

This is great news, and means that Russ will start to trust his line more. He doesn't have the bird's eye view that we have watching the game, so if he thinks Ifedi or Fluker is gonna get beat as they normally do, he's going to move out to try to make a play.

Hopefully this trend continues, as that was a pretty good Panthers front. I also saw Russ throw it away a few times, so I don't know how much of those were coverage pressures

 

[John63]

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[Seahwkgal]

Yet there are a few here that have concern about Russ. :34853_doh:

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

I said this on the other thread with this tweet:
As I always say, I am not here to ride in as a white night for Russ and yes, there are times he holds the ball too long. With that said, this is an incomplete picture. The o-line held up 7 times, but do we know if there were open receivers on any or all of those pressures? If the downfield receivers were covered did the pattern have an outlet/dumpoff available to him? What was the down and distance? If it was 3rd and say 7 or more was he holding it looking for an open receiver that was beyond the sticks?

 

[massari]

Ifedi gave up that sack/fumble that got turned back because of a Panthers penalty. He also had 2 penalties himself.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Hey, sometimes he does hold the ball too long trying to create things. I'd love to see him get rid of it more. All QB's have a weakness, and I can see that as being one that sticks out. But, you take the bad with a lot of good. Very few can create like him, especially with the game on the line. Overall, the Line did a pretty decent job in that game. Especially the 1st 3 drives and the final drive. That 3rd down throw to Lockett was nails. It was SO good to see Lock back in the mix as the main guy. His scramble drill abilities are among the best in football imo.

 

[toffee]

Basing only on PFF's grades for OL vs Panthers, it seems like Ifedi and Fant are the weakest lineman followed by Fluker, Hunt is surprising good. Too bad none of our games this season was a blowout, we didn't get to see a lot of backups playing. If we have couple of hidden Hunts, we are in good shape. As is, Jamarco has been adequate when given the opportunities.

Got to wonder if we have another Hunt in Roos?

 

[Largent80]

These grades mean jack squat. Every week and every game is different. Carolina has an assworthy rush defense. So pretty hard to chest thump after that game. Ifedi still makes the same mistakes even after 5 years.... He's at best middling.

 

[John63]

Our oline is ranked 25th in pass blocking according to football outsiders thats not good. FYI no playoff team is ranked lower

 

[Jville]

Our oline is ranked 25th in pass blocking according to football outsiders thats not good. FYI no playoff team is ranked lower

Actually, football outsiders pass protection ranking for the offensive line focuses solely on adjusted sack rates. The best adjusted sack rate during the Russell Wilson era was 20th in Russell's rookie season in 2012. To date, the adjusted sack rate has slipped slightly since his rookie season. That ranking persistence has more to do with Russell's style of play than linemen or receivers or coaches or anything else. But who cares! It doesn't really matter since Russell's style fits with what Pete does and facilitates winning football games.

 

[John63]

Our oline is ranked 25th in pass blocking according to football outsiders thats not good. FYI no playoff team is ranked lower

Actually, football outsiders pass protection ranking for the offensive line focuses solely on adjusted sack rates. The best adjusted sack rate during the Russell Wilson era was 20th in Russell's rookie season in 2012. To date, the adjusted sack rate has slipped slightly since his rookie season. That ranking persistence has more to do with Russell's style of play than linemen or receivers or coaches or anything else. But who cares! It doesn't really matter since Russell's style fits with what Pete does and facilitates winning football games.

I agree with who cares dont agree the drop is due to Wilson though

by year
2012 20th
2013 32
2014 24
2015 30
2016 25
2017 25
2018 30th
2019 25h

FYI 2011 24th

So as You can see they were 24th the year before Wilson and have stayed between 32-20th. If this was a Wilson thing they would have been better in 2011. I would agree PC style does account for this as he has said he puts premium on run blockers not pass blocker so of course their pass blocking will be not as good. Also given Wilson has been constant since 2012 and the line has gone from 20th down to 32nd and now 24th that shows it is less about Wilson then it is about the line itself or the players we choose or system we use. The idea of it being the player chosen and the system is further validate by the 2011 rankings. The reality is PC does not put value in pass blocking

 

[Seahawks4eva]

Didn’t look but I recall 8000 holding penalties.

 

[Tamerlane]

The OL has improved over the year. Since week 9, PFF gives Seattle the #8 best pass blocking efficiency.

 

[Jville]

Our oline is ranked 25th in pass blocking according to football outsiders thats not good. FYI no playoff team is ranked lower

Actually, football outsiders pass protection ranking for the offensive line focuses solely on adjusted sack rates. The best adjusted sack rate during the Russell Wilson era was 20th in Russell's rookie season in 2012. To date, the adjusted sack rate has slipped slightly since his rookie season. That ranking persistence has more to do with Russell's style of play than linemen or receivers or coaches or anything else. But who cares! It doesn't really matter since Russell's style fits with what Pete does and facilitates winning football games.

I agree with who cares dont agree the drop is due to Wilson though

by year
2012 20th
2013 32
2014 24
2015 30
2016 25
2017 25
2018 30th
2019 25h

FYI 2011 24th

So as You can see they were 24th the year before Wilson and have stayed between 32-20th. If this was a Wilson thing they would have been better in 2011. I would agree PC style does account for this as he has said he puts premium on run blockers not pass blocker so of course their pass blocking will be not as good. Also given Wilson has been constant since 2012 and the line has gone from 20th down to 32nd and now 24th that shows it is less about Wilson then it is about the line itself or the players we choose or system we use. The idea of it being the player chosen and the system is further validate by the 2011 rankings. The reality is PC does not put value in pass blocking

:34853_doh: Somehow you missed the clarification of what those specific "Football Outsiders" numbers of limited scope (adjusted sack rate) actually address to the exclusion of other grading considerations. With regards to Seahawk quarterbacks, tendencies to hold on to the football and hold out for something better has, more often than not, been a Seahawks characteristic. Those tendencies were present during the Matt Hasselbeck era and reach all the way back to the beginning with Jim Zorn's style of play.

 

[John63]

Our oline is ranked 25th in pass blocking according to football outsiders thats not good. FYI no playoff team is ranked lower

Actually, football outsiders pass protection ranking for the offensive line focuses solely on adjusted sack rates. The best adjusted sack rate during the Russell Wilson era was 20th in Russell's rookie season in 2012. To date, the adjusted sack rate has slipped slightly since his rookie season. That ranking persistence has more to do with Russell's style of play than linemen or receivers or coaches or anything else. But who cares! It doesn't really matter since Russell's style fits with what Pete does and facilitates winning football games.

I agree with who cares dont agree the drop is due to Wilson though

by year
2012 20th
2013 32
2014 24
2015 30
2016 25
2017 25
2018 30th
2019 25h

FYI 2011 24th

So as You can see they were 24th the year before Wilson and have stayed between 32-20th. If this was a Wilson thing they would have been better in 2011. I would agree PC style does account for this as he has said he puts premium on run blockers not pass blocker so of course their pass blocking will be not as good. Also given Wilson has been constant since 2012 and the line has gone from 20th down to 32nd and now 24th that shows it is less about Wilson then it is about the line itself or the players we choose or system we use. The idea of it being the player chosen and the system is further validate by the 2011 rankings. The reality is PC does not put value in pass blocking

:34853_doh: Somehow you missed the clarification of what those specific "Football Outsiders" numbers of limited scope (adjusted sack rate) actually address to the exclusion of other grading considerations. With regards to Seahawk quarterbacks, tendencies to hold on to the football and hold out for something better has, more often than not, been a Seahawks characteristic. Those tendencies were present during the Matt Hasselbeck era and reach all the way back to the beginning with Jim Zorn's style of play.

Yeah sorry dont by that every qb seahawks have supposedly holdnon to the ball to the point that nearly all sacks are on the qb. Inwill stick to facts our olines at least since 2011 have not been good at pass blocking.

 

[Northwest Seahawk]

Let's get real here every time we have gone against a good team with a pass rush the O-line has been horrid. If the defense doesn't show up in the playoffs it's over.

 

[KiwiHawk]

Do the grades consider that when Fant is in on a passing play he's sometimes there as a tight end instead of as an offensive lineman? He's supposed to throw chip blocks, not sustain blocks. Hope he's not being downgraded for his hybrid role.

One of Wilson's throw-aways was to Fant in the end zone, and I thought Fant made a credible effort to catch it even if it was thrown out intentionally.

 

[Tamerlane]

Let's get real here every time we have gone against a good team with a pass rush the O-line has been horrid. If the defense doesn't show up in the playoffs it's over.

Lots of good teams with great pass rushes since week 9.

 

[John63]

Let's get real here every time we have gone against a good team with a pass rush the O-line has been horrid. If the defense doesn't show up in the playoffs it's over.

Lots of good teams with great pass rushes since week 9.

For the year they are 24th