Pete's Philosophy

[justafan]

Pete's philosophy was NOT the problem today. We just saw Pete's philosophy used by the Ravens to club the Seahawks into submission.

The problems today were Lamar Jackson and the Raven's defense stuffing our offense in the 2nd half. Absolutely not a philosophy problem. Seattle threw more than usual today because Baltimore stuffed our running game, especially any wide runs.

Or did you just start this thread to gripe about Pete in general?

The major problem was HOW we threw. Our O-line was getting beaten like a red-headed stepchild, but where was the quick strike passing game, huh Olyfan? WHERE?

I said the same thing as the OP on Q13's FB post about the game right afterwards...Pete's conservative philosophy only works with an elite defense, which we no longer have.

We need to be a lot more aggressive on offense.

Their DBs were better than our WRs today,their front seven was better than our line today Wilson wasnt on his game today. But they werent conservative today. It was a chuck and duck offense.

They should have ran more today. You call that conservative I call it tough physical football.

 

[Sports Hernia]

Pete's philosophy was NOT the problem today. We just saw Pete's philosophy used by the Ravens to club the Seahawks into submission.

The problems today were Lamar Jackson and the Raven's defense stuffing our offense in the 2nd half. Absolutely not a philosophy problem. Seattle threw more than usual today because Baltimore stuffed our running game, especially any wide runs.

Or did you just start this thread to gripe about Pete in general?

The major problem was HOW we threw. Our O-line was getting beaten like a red-headed stepchild, but where was the quick strike passing game, huh Olyfan? WHERE?

I said the same thing as the OP on Q13's FB post about the game right afterwards...Pete's conservative philosophy only works with an elite defense, which we no longer have.

We need to be a lot more aggressive on offense.

Your last 2 sentences are spot on. Pete’s thinking needs to evolve and he needs to realize the weaknesses of his team.

 

[John63]

Seattle went some series with pure passing, others that were run heavy into blitzes. I felt like we really played ourselves on offense. Bad game overall for Schottenheimer.

Agreed and add to that little separation by our wrs, drops, bad throws, oline issues etc. And that's just on offense and does not count the defensive issues.

 

[NJlargent]

Your last 2 sentences are spot on. Pete’s thinking needs to evolve and he needs to realize the weaknesses of his team.[/quote]

Do you honestly see that happening?

 

[John63]

Like a few others have said, its not Petes philosophy thats tge issue. Its that we have gotten away from it. We have gotten away from our identity. We have no true identity anymore. We arent fast. We arent tough. There is no circle if toughness. We arent out physicalling anyone. In our heyday it was very unlikely we were giving up 100 on the ground. The last two years its been a given to any team that tries. We used to be one of if not the best tackling teams in football. Now, its a liability.

If we have an identity right now its, lets hope Russ plays awesome and we dont screw anything else up.

True but that is on PC because he refuses to build an offense around Wilson, still clings to his old philosophy. The Ravens dont have top WR yet someone was always open. Our wr rarely had separation. Most if that is scheme issues. Meaning we still run basic route trees and dont scheme people open.

 

[Natethegreat]

Personally I am not a fan of Ken Norton. He was terrible in Oakland and I haven't seen anyhting from him here. I don't think he is a guy who should be running a defense. Good linebacker coach yes. Good defensive coordinater NO!

 

[chris98251]

Like a few others have said, its not Petes philosophy thats tge issue. Its that we have gotten away from it. We have gotten away from our identity. We have no true identity anymore. We arent fast. We arent tough. There is no circle if toughness. We arent out physicalling anyone. In our heyday it was very unlikely we were giving up 100 on the ground. The last two years its been a given to any team that tries. We used to be one of if not the best tackling teams in football. Now, its a liability.

If we have an identity right now its, lets hope Russ plays awesome and we dont screw anything else up.

True but that is on PC because he refuses to build an offense around Wilson, still clings to his old philosophy. The Ravens dont have top WR yet someone was always open. Our wr rarely had separation. Most if that is scheme issues. Meaning we still run basic route trees and dont scheme people open.

Not true, add's Dissly, add's Metcalf and a stable of other WR's, add's Penny and Carson and Homer, the offense is there, the players are there, the OK to open it up and keep the foot on the Gas is not.

 

[getnasty]

Pete's Philosophy is to run the ball, don't give up big plays and win the turnover battle. 0-3 today, sound philosophy didn't exacute.

 

[John63]

Like a few others have said, its not Petes philosophy thats tge issue. Its that we have gotten away from it. We have gotten away from our identity. We have no true identity anymore. We arent fast. We arent tough. There is no circle if toughness. We arent out physicalling anyone. In our heyday it was very unlikely we were giving up 100 on the ground. The last two years its been a given to any team that tries. We used to be one of if not the best tackling teams in football. Now, its a liability.

If we have an identity right now its, lets hope Russ plays awesome and we dont screw anything else up.

True but that is on PC because he refuses to build an offense around Wilson, still clings to his old philosophy. The Ravens dont have top WR yet someone was always open. Our wr rarely had separation. Most if that is scheme issues. Meaning we still run basic route trees and dont scheme people open.

Not true, add's Dissly, add's Metcalf and a stable of other WR's, add's Penny and Carson and Homer, the offense is there, the players are there, the OK to open it up and keep the foot on the Gas is not.

But the system is not there also. What we run is not a good passing system at all.

 

[justafan]

You guys are wasting a lot of energy trying to prove Petes at fault here. Wilson threw a stupid pass while we were in scoring position and Metcalf was reckless and fumbled the ball. 2 tds for them no points for us. Thats game. We threw the ball around and focused on Wilson and the passing game and it didnt work. Oline got beat,Wilson didnt play well and they were more physical. The players on offense got beat on the field by team that played tougher and smarter football.


Keep saying Pete is to blame if it makes you feel smarter.

 

[AgentDib]

50 posts in this thread and very few of them are directly related to what happened today. What's the point of repeating yourself endlessly if you aren't going to provide any new information or reasoning?

 

[olyfan63]

The major problem was HOW we threw. Our O-line was getting beaten like a red-headed stepchild, but where was the quick strike passing game, huh Olyfan? WHERE?

I said the same thing as the OP on Q13's FB post about the game right afterwards...Pete's conservative philosophy only works with an elite defense, which we no longer have.

We need to be a lot more aggressive on offense.

Fair question! I wish I knew; only Schotty can answer the lack of adjustment in the passing game to find an approach that would work. It was great to see the adjustment to quick passing against Pittsburgh. Agreed, Russell being under pressure nearly every dropback and the lack of man-beater routes and concepts and our offense's failure to adjust became an increasingly glaring deficiency as the game went on. It was working so Baltimore stuck with it, and we never solved it.

I'm not a scheme geek like a few of the posters on this board, but it's not hard to see when an otherwise capable offense has no answer to what the opposing defense is doing. Sean McVay and the Rams in the SB, and Schottenheimer today against the Ravens D. I can however, see when a coach is having a mental meltdown, unable to come up with an answer in real time. The only *partial* answer I can offer here is the unavailability of Will Dissly for the quick passing game. Dissly was a key to that adjustment in Pittsburgh that changed the game and put it in the W column for Seattle.

Nice article here on Dissly's contributions in the Pittsburgh game:
https://www.fieldgulls.com/2019/9/17/20 ... m-analysis

I'd like to think other TEs on the roster could bring some of that, but apparently not, at least in this game. And Jauron Brown was an absolutely liability at WR in this one.

Anyone else know why the lack of adjustment by our Offense like we did in the Pittsburgh game?

 

[John63]

You guys are wasting a lot of energy trying to prove Petes at fault here. Wilson threw a stupid pass while we were in scoring position and Metcalf was reckless and fumbled the ball. 2 tds for them no points for us. Thats game. We threw the ball around and focused on Wilson and the passing game and it didnt work. Oline got beat,Wilson didnt play well and they were more physical. The players on offense got beat on the field by team that played tougher and smarter football.


Keep saying Pete is to blame if it makes you feel smarter.

Or you and others can keep closing your eyes to the fact that while we might be throwing we are not using a passing system. We are using a run system and trying to throw from it. Today was bad, no check downs, no quick throw. The int aside does not change the fact we are still not running a system built around our QB. Now is that PC os Schorry who knows. But given PC is the HC I will put it on him. That is not to say the players also are not to blame to include Wilson. But it starts with the HC and being prepared and making adjustments and I saw none of either

 

[Spin Doctor]

Possibly the worst offensive gameplan from Schottenheimer that I've seen while he was on the Seahawks. The announcers even kept wondering why Schottenheimer kept using the same routes, and playing into the strengths of that man defense. This is the issue with Schottenheimer, he sticks to his gameplan even if it isn't working. It has always been his downfall. Really slow to adjust in game, but luckily he switches things up on a game by game basis unlike Bevell. The overall structure of the passing game was very suspect this game. Though Wilson was having an off day as well, so it isn't all on Schottenheimer, but he definitely should shoulder much of the blame.

 

[JustTheTip]

You guys are wasting a lot of energy trying to prove Petes at fault here. Wilson threw a stupid pass while we were in scoring position and Metcalf was reckless and fumbled the ball. 2 tds for them no points for us. Thats game. We threw the ball around and focused on Wilson and the passing game and it didnt work. Oline got beat,Wilson didnt play well and they were more physical. The players on offense got beat on the field by team that played tougher and smarter football.


Keep saying Pete is to blame if it makes you feel smarter.

So ALL of the players underperform and that isn't on the coaches, of which the head coach hand picks those players. One or two players have a bad game that is on them. The team as a whole underperforms that is on the coaches.

53 yard field goal decision in poor conditions, on the coach. 2 for 8 in challenges (including 0-1 yesterday) and not challenging plays that absolutely should be challenged, on the coach. Plays not coming in on time leading to wasted time outs, on the coach. Playing to be in position to win in the 4th quarter instead of playing 4 quarters of football to win, on the coach.

Keep saying Pete has no responsibility in all of this and enjoying 9-7 to 11-5 seasons with early playoff exits or just missing the playoffs with a QB like Wilson if it makes you feel smarter.

 

[John63]

https://www.facebook.com/Seahawks/v...?notif_id=1571695363984890&notif_t=live_video

And there is the problem at the 16:42. which is what he says after every loss.

So in other words, play hard and close and win in the end. Which leaves no margin for error at all.

 

[Seahawlnut89]

https://www.facebook.com/Seahawks/v...?notif_id=1571695363984890&notif_t=live_video

And there is the problem at the 16:42. which is what he says after every loss.

So in other words, play hard and close and win in the end. Which leaves no margin for error at all.

I kind of said it before, but it's almost as if Pete values close wins more than dominant ones, and therefore he only coaches to get to the 4th quarter.

Every game doesn't always have to come down to the final possession or a game winning drive!

 

[Jville]

To each their own!

I like having Pete Carroll at the helm. :2thumbs:

 

[Seahawlnut89]

Outside of the man in New England, there is no better coach in the league. Pete just baffles me sometimes.

 

[xray]

Carroll is the oldest HC in the NFL . I've said this many times . Carroll will be HC for the Hawks until HE dosen't want to anymore .He basically can't be fired unless the team sells to a new owner . 2 more seasons of Pete ball I believe . hagd