Pete's Philosophy

[Shanegotyou11]

Russ was worse then pete today. Pick 6 changed whole game.

 

[TwistedHusky]

Go back and watch old Pete Carroll at USC.

He was not conservative.

He won by doing the opposite. In fact, he was somewhat well known for going for it on 4th down.

He really became conservative after the SB. More specifically, after the SB loss.

Conservative coaches don't start rookie QBs over veterans, as an example.

His philosophy isn't even the philosophy that made him a winner. It's the philosophy that got us to wild card games.

 

[JustTheTip]

Go back and watch old Pete Carroll at USC.

He was not conservative.

He won by doing the opposite. In fact, he was somewhat well known for going for it on 4th down.

He really became conservative after the SB. More specifically, after the SB loss.

Conservative coaches don't start rookie QBs over veterans, as an example.

His philosophy isn't even the philosophy that made him a winner. It's the philosophy that got us to wild card games.

Thanks, I will admit I was wrong. Pete is capable of adjusting. Unfortunately for us, he does it in all the wrong ways.

 

[calinator]

For the record, Pete kicking a 58 yard field goal, in the rain, is not the conservative thing to do. The conservative thing to do is punt.

They had a 4th and short, it was conservative compared to going for it.

Definitely should have gone for it. 53 yards is too much in the rain. I'd be more confident in them converting 4th and 3 instead of that field goal. If they don't convert Baltimore starts at the 36 instead of the 43. I don't think Pete realizes the yardage consequence of a miss.

 

[TwistedHusky]

It is the way of the world.

The young strivers climb the ladder by taking risks and learning new ways of winning.

The old cling frozen to the ladder afraid to make mistakes. They don't want to slip back down, so they measure each step carefully. It is why those strivers end up climbing over them.

Then it all repeats, the truly great at the ones that are not satisfied where they are but instead keep pushing never satisfied where they are. Carroll looks pretty satisfied right now, I wouldn't expect much from him beyond staying on the ladder as long as he can.

 

[seahawkfreak]

Russ was worse then pete today. Pick 6 changed whole game.

The missed FG was pretty big too.

 

[chris98251]

It is the way of the world.

The young strivers climb the ladder by taking risks and learning new ways of winning.

The old cling frozen to the ladder afraid to make mistakes. They don't want to slip back down, so they measure each step carefully. It is why those strivers end up climbing over them.

Then it all repeats, the truly great at the ones that are not satisfied where they are but instead keep pushing never satisfied where they are. Carroll looks pretty satisfied right now, I wouldn't expect much from him beyond staying on the ladder as long as he can.

Exception being throwing flags on Pass interference.

 

[Seahawlnut89]

Pete prefers to keep the game close as to give the opponent a chance to win the game. It builds ADVERSITY!!!

LOL.

Glad you posted this. This is, a least a paraphrase, of what Pete said to the commentators. Well that's at least what they said. Just about blew a gasket. Pete seemed to be ok with his blowouts in the early 00's with USC.

Is that why he let Texas stay so close?

Just watched the post game presser. Pete thought the game had a chance to be close at the end.

Why does he want EVERY game to be close, no matter what?...hahaha.

 

[xray]

Moving on , the Hawks got beat. :irishdrinkers:

 

[The Breh]

People look at the final score and say the dumbest shit :34853_doh:

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

Pete's conservative nature only works with a good defense. The defense isn't good, and Pete can't adjust.

Pete needs an elite defense for his philosophy to work.

We don’t have that anymore.

We sure as hell do not have an elite offense so Seattle will lose a handful of games based on how they’re built with their head coaches philosophy.

 

[justafan]

Pete's conservative nature only works with a good defense. The defense isn't good, and Pete can't adjust.

Pete needs an elite defense for his philosophy to work.

We don’t have that anymore.

We sure as hell do not have an elite offense so Seattle will lose a handful of games based on how they’re built with their head coaches philosophy.

Could you elaborate? What philosophical flaws are you talking about?

 

[Seahawlnut89]

Pete's conservative nature only works with a good defense. The defense isn't good, and Pete can't adjust.

Pete needs an elite defense for his philosophy to work.

We don’t have that anymore.

We sure as hell do not have an elite offense so Seattle will lose a handful of games based on how they’re built with their head coaches philosophy.

Could you elaborate? What philosophical flaws are you talking about?

Pete seems to believe that close wins are more valuble to team dynamics than dominating wins. He therefore always coaches to keep the games close. The thing is playing to keep games close, makes you more vulnerable to one big mistake, and the losses that result are often the toughest for teams to handle.

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

Pete's conservative nature only works with a good defense. The defense isn't good, and Pete can't adjust.

Pete needs an elite defense for his philosophy to work.

We don’t have that anymore.

We sure as hell do not have an elite offense so Seattle will lose a handful of games based on how they’re built with their head coaches philosophy.

Could you elaborate? What philosophical flaws are you talking about?

Pete likes to stop the run and keep offenses under 15-18 points and beat them with the run game and a few play action passes.

Problem is, Seattle can’t stop teams from putting up less than 20 points now.

And we don’t have an elite running back that can make as many plays as Lynch did.

It’s not a coincidence, Seattle won because it had an elite defense and teams feared Lynch.

We have neither now.

 

[Subzero717]

Like a few others have said, its not Petes philosophy thats tge issue. Its that we have gotten away from it. We have gotten away from our identity. We have no true identity anymore. We arent fast. We arent tough. There is no circle if toughness. We arent out physicalling anyone. In our heyday it was very unlikely we were giving up 100 on the ground. The last two years its been a given to any team that tries. We used to be one of if not the best tackling teams in football. Now, its a liability.

If we have an identity right now its, lets hope Russ plays awesome and we dont screw anything else up.

 

[justafan]

Like a few others have said, its not Petes philosophy thats tge issue. Its that we have gotten away from it. We have gotten away from our identity. We have no true identity anymore. We arent fast. We arent tough. There is no circle if toughness. We arent out physicalling anyone. In our heyday it was very unlikely we were giving up 100 on the ground. The last two years its been a given to any team that tries. We used to be one of if not the best tackling teams in football. Now, its a liability.

If we have an identity right now its, lets hope Russ plays awesome and we dont screw anything else up.

I agree 100%.

 

[JustTheTip]

Like a few others have said, its not Petes philosophy thats tge issue. Its that we have gotten away from it. We have gotten away from our identity. We have no true identity anymore. We arent fast. We arent tough. There is no circle if toughness. We arent out physicalling anyone. In our heyday it was very unlikely we were giving up 100 on the ground. The last two years its been a given to any team that tries. We used to be one of if not the best tackling teams in football. Now, its a liability.

If we have an identity right now its, lets hope Russ plays awesome and we dont screw anything else up.

I agree 100%.

I think you are both wrong.

Pete's Philosophy requires the players be capable of playing a certain way. When he doesn't have those players he starts trying to shoehorn square pegs into round holes instead of him, in all his greatness, figuring out how to use the current set of players optimally. It is the same thing that happened with Holmgren in the end but it is worse with Pete because he has total control of everything including picking the square pegs for the round holes.

 

[Subzero717]

Like a few others have said, its not Petes philosophy thats tge issue. Its that we have gotten away from it. We have gotten away from our identity. We have no true identity anymore. We arent fast. We arent tough. There is no circle if toughness. We arent out physicalling anyone. In our heyday it was very unlikely we were giving up 100 on the ground. The last two years its been a given to any team that tries. We used to be one of if not the best tackling teams in football. Now, its a liability.

If we have an identity right now its, lets hope Russ plays awesome and we dont screw anything else up.

I agree 100%.

I think you are both wrong.

Pete's Philosophy requires the players be capable of playing a certain way. When he doesn't have those players he starts trying to shoehorn square pegs into round holes instead of him, in all his greatness, figuring out how to use the current set of players optimally. It is the same thing that happened with Holmgren in the end but it is worse with Pete because he has total control of everything including picking the square pegs for the round holes.

We have changed our defense dramatically from what it was in our heyday. We are running a completely different blocking scheme. Where is the square peg and the round hole.

In his mission statement he mentioned toughness. I haven't seen toughness in a while.

 

[RolandDeschain]

Pete's philosophy was NOT the problem today. We just saw Pete's philosophy used by the Ravens to club the Seahawks into submission.

The problems today were Lamar Jackson and the Raven's defense stuffing our offense in the 2nd half. Absolutely not a philosophy problem. Seattle threw more than usual today because Baltimore stuffed our running game, especially any wide runs.

Or did you just start this thread to gripe about Pete in general?

The major problem was HOW we threw. Our O-line was getting beaten like a red-headed stepchild, but where was the quick strike passing game, huh Olyfan? WHERE?

I said the same thing as the OP on Q13's FB post about the game right afterwards...Pete's conservative philosophy only works with an elite defense, which we no longer have.

We need to be a lot more aggressive on offense.

 

[Seafan]

It helps to get first downs and when the offense doesn't give away points. That's not part of Pete's Philosophy. And for those clamoring for more passes from Russ, you got your wish today.