Peter King says it might not actually be adderall

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I think it was roids. Irvin needs to get bigger, roids are the quick fix.
 

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Try this one... at the end of the article.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/ne ... index.html

And if I've linked the correct article, the subject is misleading.

The email sender's point is... if the suspended player goes public with what substance he got caught taking and he lies about the substance, can not the NFL come out and state that the player claim is incorrect?

Peter's answer is he will look into it... meaning, what the NFL can and cannot do when the player goes public and openly lies about the substance.

Nowhere did I read that "Peter King says it might not be adderall".

And if I'm reading/linking/quoting the wrong Peter King article, my apologies to the OP.
 

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It really doesn't matter what any of them were taking...you are suspended the same amount of time no matter what you took. There isn't a this is worse than this list and if you take this you get nailed for this amount of time vs this list. The guy took something on THEE list that you can't take and got caught...he'll serve his time and press on. Who cares what it was...really?
 

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See, I have never understood the physical advantage adderall gives an NFL player. Roids makes way more sense and in Irvin's case it really does. (he did gain weight) Of course, adderall is the supposed "poor man's cocaine" but is used mainly to party late and such. My son is 22 and he is very well aware of it cause he is that age group.
 

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Peter King is a blowhole, a poor mans Pete Prisco, without the talent. Sensational shit flinging without any legit basis is usual from him, he lives on creating controversy.

If this were a comment from a real journalist with any integrity it might be worthy of more consideration.

Nothing to see here and nothing not already considered by several here. I actually believe Irvin, there appeared to be legit remorse.
 

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Nothing was specifically pointing at anyone. Let's take a general statement and make it about us!
 

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According to one of Seattle's sports radio station host I was listening to yesterday, they confirmed Irvin's PED use being adderall. I think it was either Mitch or Softy on KJR.
 

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Of course it could be something other than adderall. The NFL cannot say what the drug was and the player can say whatever they want. It is up to you to decide if you believe the player
 

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This is a pretty common viewpoint. It was leaked that Sherm did actually test for adderall, but Irvin was probably on roids.
 

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Adderall has gotten this reputation of just being something players blame negative tests on because it sounds better than other drugs.

Fact of the matter is there is every reason for adderall to be taken by pro athletes; it's not just a convenient less reputation-damaging scapegoat like it's made out to be.

It's not just a 'smokescreen' drug. It's super useful for working out in many of the same ways that some people, like myself in the past, have used E/C/A stacks in the gym (ECA being Ephedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin stacks). It gives you the focus and energy needed to sustain a long workout. My days of spending 90 mins in the gym are behind me but I won't lie, using 'drugs' like the ECA stack made it possible to focus and stick with the regiment I'd set for myself, while also keeping energy levels up enough to not give up the workout early or cut any corners.

I'm not trying to validate adderall use, these guys are idiots for taking something they know is banned, but I can completely see the benefit from it and IMO there's no reason to just assume that 'adderall' is just something being brought up as a smoke screen and not the real issue. Like the the ECA stack it's just a tool for better workouts. Technically Ephedrine was illegal so I had to get it via buying limited amounts of asthma medication like primatine and bronkaid.
 

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Teams are not allowed to release the drug per HIPPA rules. It's against the law.
 

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I don't want to get drawn into the same "pro/anti" adderall arguments I let myself get sucked into with the Richard Sherman case, but Adderal CAN be used as a PED in the way described above, depending on the dose taken. It's not the typical way that non-athletes use the drug (as someone else pointed out).

Any amphetamine (including street methamphetamine or prescription amphetamine) has a significant stimulating effect on the sympathetic nervous system (ie, the 'fight or flight' nervous system), leading to release of noradrenaline, elevation of blood pressure, increase of heartrate, alertness, etc. It doesn't, on its own, stimulate muscle growth, but as the poster above stated, it could help increase the duration and intensity of your workouts. There's all sorts of historical (and current) information about the use of psychostimulants such as adderall, ritalin, or modafinil in the military to help improve the performance of pilots, specifically. The main issues with amphetamines, especially in high doses, are their addictiveness, their risk for dangerous long-term cardiovascular effects, and their potential to worsen a variety of mental health disorders.

It does not directly stimulate muscle growth like HGH, testosterone, etc do, and in doses used for typical ADD management the effects listed above are fairly negligible (other than alertness/focus). That said, its long-term side effects are arguably less severe than steroids, albeit the drug is more addictive.

Hope this helps.
 

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Oh man, I remember ECA stacks. We used to hit the gym for 2 + hours in the Marine Corps with that.

I'm still bummed they banned Ephedrine.

So Adderall does the same thing ?
 

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Recon_Hawk":3mwevhra said:
According to one of Seattle's sports radio station host I was listening to yesterday, they confirmed Irvin's PED use being adderall. I think it was either Mitch or Softy on KJR.

That was Softy, and from what I heard he was pretty upset that people were questioning his report.
 

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In my view, Adderall is totally just the cop-out PED because the public views in a better light than steroids. Releasing it was Adderall is merely a publicity move to lessen the negative impact it has on the player.

Almost every player suspended for PEDs the past couple of years has said Adderall. If Adderall was that rampant, then players would obviously know not to mess with it, or have a prescription. When ~90% of the PED suspensions in the past few years have all said it is Adderall, then there is definately something fishy.

All these players have blamed Adderall in the past couple of years...

1. Bruce Irvin
2. Richard Sherman
3. Brandon Browner
4. Winston Guy
5. Cedric Griffin
6. Eric Wright
7. Joe Haden
8. Tyler Sash
9. Aqib Talib
10. Will Hill
11. Jermaine Cunningham
12. John Moffitt
13. Mike Neal
14. Weslye Saunders
 

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Hawks46":rrsg4uho said:
Oh man, I remember ECA stacks. We used to hit the gym for 2 + hours in the Marine Corps with that.

I'm still bummed they banned Ephedrine.

So Adderall does the same thing ?

they pretty much do the same thing in regards to workouts...increased energy, and shutting out the noise to keep you focused and single-minded about it.

It's easy to just assume people are doing something worse and then blaming adderall but at the same time how many players might be taking adderall as a workout boost that, should they get caught, they can honestly just blame on adderall and never have to worry about steroid use accusations leaking and adding that permanent label to them?

Once you've worked out with an ECA stack, adderall, or other stimulant that shuts out the noise, any other workout you do is always going to feel inadequate.
 
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The reason for the post wasn't really to back up what Peter King was saying, but more or less to discuss WHAT he was talking about. I was on my phone at work and couldn't type much and also why the original link didnt work but I wanted to start a discussion. success. Anyway, so basically what is beign said is that THE NFL and teams can't release which drug they are being suspended for, but players can call it whatever they want? So if they were using HGH, or some other kind of PED, they can just say its Adderall? I mean honestly I would be doing the same thing seeing how other Athletes have been labelled after doing so. Adderall doesn't seem as bad to the American public, and when I say that I don't mean everyone on here, but the public in general who doesn't have the great Football and PED IQ we all have in here. I'm just saying its an ingenious move, but at the sametime kind of a D*** move at the same time.

Everyone is taking something in the modern sports Era. You have it all the time by players, some who have been caught, and other who haven't. You also have heard it by players who have recently retired. Which brings me to my next point.

I....don't....care. I don't. Really..I don't. Let them use whatever they want. I don't care if they break records b/c of that. I want to see guy's throw farther and run faster. I want more points and yards. This is going to piss off the older fan, but hey...its my opinions and I'm entitled to it. Get rid of the bans, the suspensions, the fines and let them do whatever they want. Its their bodies. They know the risks. I've already forgotten about them years after they retire most of them. I'm here to be entertained and if thats the cost then so be it. I know I'm going to get the responses off the harmful affects and how if Jerry Rice had taken them then he would still hold all the records and blah blah blah. Listen. ADP just had a career year last year. You don't think he didnt take something to heal as quickly as he did? Guys aren't just healing faster b/c of evolution and its NOT JUST the rehabbing. They are using extra things to help them heal quicker. maybe not everyone example Derrick Rose of the Chicago Bulls and taking the needed time to heal. Everyone is using it, and I just don't care. Now go ahead and pick my response apart. Looking forward to it and thanks for reading my rant.


GO HAWKS!!
 
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