RiverDog
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I did, too. But there were others that thought it was Schneider's brainchild. This article supports what you and I have assumed for some time. It's relevant.I've always thought it was Pete.
I did, too. But there were others that thought it was Schneider's brainchild. This article supports what you and I have assumed for some time. It's relevant.I've always thought it was Pete.
You mean, you want your dues.I did, too. But there were others that thought it was Schneider's brainchild. This article supports what you and I have assumed for some time. It's relevant.
No revisionism here. The year Adams was brought in, the 2020 season when he recorded a league record for QB sacks, and yes, we were all mesmerized. In retrospect, a lot of his success can be attributed to a historically inept front 7.I see revisionist history going on here as people look to confirm their own biases. Huard said nothing today about the initial trade, he was purely speculating that there could be a place for Jamal as a weak-side LB if he was healthy now.
The Jets version of healthy Jamal Adams was an all-pro strong safety who played all over the place and brought intensity that we felt we badly needed but hadn't had since Kam retired. Jamal's problem here was not in how he was used, and had everything to do with him constantly being injured to the point where he could no longer play. Go back to before Jamal first got hurt when he set the NFL sack record and show me one example of anybody claiming he was being mis-used.
It was a dumb trade because we under valued our draft capital and gave up too much for a safety (or a LB). It turned out to be a terrible trade because Jamal couldn't stay healthy.
No, I don't. I want to know who was responsible. If JS had a lot to do with that trade and resigning, he's not getting cut any slack from me. If he didn't, then I'm more likely to give him a break.You mean, you want your dues.
As ever there is a pathological need by some to never have anyone accept responsibility and to offer every excuse to absolve everyone from blame. Everyone gets trophies! No one comes in last! Every GM and Coach is as good as any others and as a fan you are far more stupid about everything football related than them so just don't have an opinion and shut up and trust management. Sigh.As ever there is a pathological need to blame for the acquisition of any player that doesn't pan out. JS agreed with the trade and with the player being re-signed to a contract that the player underperformed upon. The player was released this spring and the team has had to eat a dead cap hit as a result. The player did get voted to the Pro Bowl during his first year here. After that he was hurt all the time and tried to come back way too early. Adams has to be regarded as a very expensive mistaken acquisition.
The team significantly overpaid for a player who had initial promise here then flamed out. Sadly for Adams he kept on getting injured and certainly lost a step in a position where speed is needed. Anyone who thought he was ballhawk didn't understand the player's strengths. He's more of a hybrid linebacker/SS who is better playing going forward rather than in coverage.
It's not about trust. It's just about the acknowledgment that we have a prohibitively narrow band of information which which we cannot truly say with full confidence that we're right and they're wrong, as well as the acknowledgment that most of our grumbles are based on hindsight.As ever there is a pathological need by some to never have anyone accept responsibility and to offer every excuse to absolve everyone from blame. Everyone gets trophies! No one comes in last! Every GM and Coach is as good as any others and as a fan you are far more stupid about everything football related than them so just don't have an opinion and shut up and trust management. Sigh.
(more a general rant then directed specifically at a poster though there are a few . . .)
This is what I was going to say. The biggest problem was the trade compensation itself. They had to pay him a fortune because they invested two first rounders. He had all the leverage. But if they did all that AND there was disagreement on how to use him, that makes the story even worse. Of course, then they go into the 2021 draft with three draft picks and get D'Wayne Eskridge, Tre Brown, and Stone Forsythe. It was all just a giant red flag that the current front office dynamic was broken, and they completely lost their way on roster construction.Whoever made the decision to trade two first round picks PRIOR to having a long-term contract in place is the biggest one to blame for this disaster of a trade. I negotiate for a living and know that you lose all leverage because the player and their agent are aware that you need to do whatever you can and pay whatever it takes to re-sign them or else you’ll look like a fool for making the trade if the player leaves in free agency. Absolutely, 100% a downright dumb and not well thought out transaction.
I see revisionist history going on here as people look to confirm their own biases. Huard said nothing today about the initial trade, he was purely speculating that there could be a place for Jamal as a weak-side LB if he was healthy now.
The Jets version of healthy Jamal Adams was an all-pro strong safety who played all over the place and brought intensity that we felt we badly needed but hadn't had since Kam retired. Jamal's problem here was not in how he was used, and had everything to do with him constantly being injured to the point where he could no longer play. Go back to before Jamal first got hurt when he set the NFL sack record and show me one example of anybody claiming he was being mis-used.
It was a dumb trade because we under valued our draft capital and gave up too much for a safety (or a LB). It turned out to be a terrible trade because Jamal couldn't stay healthy.
Part of what I am basing this on is including the way he coaches in game. I will go as far as to use the word reckless when you think of how he burns challenges and timeouts early.
Trading high draft picks for a soon to be free agent player almost never works out. What made this even worse was Adams and the Jets were not getting along and he pretty much was forcing his way out and it was public. Usually the team trading for for a player in this predicament has leverage, but we obviously did not use that at all giving two first round picks for him. It was seriously an amateur move all around.This is what I was going to say. The biggest problem was the trade compensation itself. They had to pay him a fortune because they invested two first rounders. He had all the leverage. But if they did all that AND there was disagreement on how to use him, that makes the story even worse. Of course, then they go into the 2021 draft with three draft picks and get D'Wayne Eskridge, Tre Brown, and Stone Forsythe. It was all just a giant red flag that the current front office dynamic was broken, and they completely lost their way on roster construction.
There it is ROFL