Pete and John not altering team building philosophy

[OrangeGravy]

I have a question for those that are frustrated with the organization. Hypothetically, if the correct decision is made considering the circumstances at that point in time throughout a season, does that guarantee a SB win for an NFL team?

 

[hawkfan68]

Are they perfect? No. Their philosophy seems to work as they have made the playoffs 9 out of the 11 years they have been leading the team. While it hasn’t translated to more than 1 championship, those are really tough to come by. At least they are in the running almost 90% of the time by being eligible for the playoffs.

There are several teams who wish they could replicate this.

 

[Seymour]

Paradigm Pete will still be wearing sunglasses after the sun burns out.

 

[Fade]

That Larry Stone article is pathetic.
https://www.seattletimes.com/sports...ox_tw_m&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1616020082

"Carroll and Schneider believe it is unwise to jump in with guns blazing on the first few days of free agency. They believe that it is better to spread out their money rather than throw a huge sum at one player."

"It’s a strategy that has served the Seahawks well."

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How Sway? Spending on a bunch of 1 yr rental JAGs has hollowed out the roster.

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"We’ll see where that goes. It’s important to realize that the offseason isn’t judged by the first 48 hours of free agency.

Keep in mind that some of the most impactful moves by the Seahawks in recent seasons have come weeks, even months, down the road:

The Duane Brown acquisition from the Texans on Oct. 30, 2017.

Sheldon Richardson from the Jets on Sept. 1, 2018.

Jadeveon Clowney from the Texans on Sept. 1, 2019.

Quandre Diggs from the Lions on Oct. 23, 2019.

Jamal Adams from the Jets on July 25, 2020.

And Carlos Dunlap from the Bengals on Oct. 28, 2020."

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Then Mr. Stone proceeds to deflect and damage control talking about moves that are not free agency related. Those trades they have to make to overcome their free agency, and draft day failings.


I can't.

 

[Maelstrom787]

That Larry Stone article is pathetic.
https://www.seattletimes.com/sports...ox_tw_m&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1616020082

"Carroll and Schneider believe it is unwise to jump in with guns blazing on the first few days of free agency. They believe that it is better to spread out their money rather than throw a huge sum at one player."

"It’s a strategy that has served the Seahawks well."

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How Sway? Spending on a bunch of 1 yr rental JAGs has hollowed out the roster.

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"We’ll see where that goes. It’s important to realize that the offseason isn’t judged by the first 48 hours of free agency.

Keep in mind that some of the most impactful moves by the Seahawks in recent seasons have come weeks, even months, down the road:

The Duane Brown acquisition from the Texans on Oct. 30, 2017.

Sheldon Richardson from the Jets on Sept. 1, 2018.

Jadeveon Clowney from the Texans on Sept. 1, 2019.

Quandre Diggs from the Lions on Oct. 23, 2019.

Jamal Adams from the Jets on July 25, 2020.

And Carlos Dunlap from the Bengals on Oct. 28, 2020."

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Then Mr. Stone proceeds to deflect and damage control talking about moves that are not free agency related. Those trades they have to make to overcome their free agency, and draft day failings.


I can't.

It has served them well. They've been a winning team for just about a decade.

You can certainly argue that it isn't optimal, or that they could have won more in the same timeframe, and I'd agree to an extent. But to say it hasn't served them well is kinda silly.

 

[Fade]

It has served them well. They've been a winning team for just about a decade.

You can certainly argue that it isn't optimal, or that they could have won more in the same timeframe, and I'd agree to an extent. But to say it hasn't served them well is kinda silly.

Like lipstick on a pig. They're doing it out of necessity, not philosophy. In an attempt to fill the holes their vapid drafts have left behind.

They didn't do this consistently in the early days, they signed guys like Sidney Rice and Zach Miller to 5 year deals. Free Agents that could grow with their young roster. They won even more when they did it that way, even going to a couple of Super Bowls.

 

[justafan]

https://twitter.com/seattletimes/status/1372328114026651650

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/sea ... 1616020082

Huh, really stubborn huh?

Really successful too. 3 NCAA and 1 NFL Championship so far. Only one of four coaches ever to do it at all levels.

But the greatest NFL coach of all time with 7 SBs, one of them against PC, changes to fit his personnel. So if you ant to talk about rare coaching achievements, I'd say the scale is tipped waaaaaay towards adaptation.

Whats his record without Brady? Great coaches all need great players.

 

[brimsalabim]

This is what good organizations do. I know that's disappointing from some in our fan base, but you really do want your organization to stay true to its philosophy.

Count me as one who would rather we learn from our mistakes and adjust appropriately.

 

[Ad Hawk]

Whats his record without Brady? Great coaches all need great players.

This is exactly why the Coach/QB and overall Defense all must be on the same page. I'd argue Russ isn't quite Tom Brady, and Pete isn't BB. But they're better than nearly every other combination in the NFL in the last 10 years.

 

[jamescasey1124]

Just saying we've been In it every year. Regardless of early exits. They have been doing fine.

 

[FattyKnuckle]

https://twitter.com/seattletimes/status/1372328114026651650

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/sea ... 1616020082

Huh, really stubborn huh?

Really successful too. 3 NCAA and 1 NFL Championship so far. Only one of four coaches ever to do it at all levels.

But the greatest NFL coach of all time with 7 SBs, one of them against PC, changes to fit his personnel. So if you ant to talk about rare coaching achievements, I'd say the scale is tipped waaaaaay towards adaptation.

Whats his record without Brady? Great coaches all need great players.

He went 11-5 without Brady in NE's (admittedly long) prime. Thats an apples to apples comparison I would make. Comparing what they did last season to simply "without Brady" is way oversimplified. A decade of juggling salary caps (with only 3-4 SBs to show for it) finally came crashing down and the team is in rebuild mode. They didn't even have a (barely) starting caliber QB until right before the season and they could only pay him $1M. It's akin to inheriting a crappy team. NE is in full rebuild mode after leveraging their near future for legendary greatness the past 5+ years.

But in the one clearest example of "how did he do without Brady" he went 11-5.

Of course great coaches need great players, and both BB and PC got their great player early in their tenure so it's extremely difficult to separate their successes from each other.