Pass rush concerns now that Allen has signed with Bears

[MVP53]

I don't understand how everyone is so high on Mayowa. He was a UDFA and if he was that good, he would have gotten snaps last year and he didn't. There's a reason for that.

Perhaps it will become self evident in August.

How about this extension of argument >>>>> Christine Michael was a 2nd round draft pick and if he was that good, he would have gotten more than 26 snaps last year and he didn't. There's a reason for that.

Does this mean you don't understand how everyone can be so high on Michael. If so, perhaps it will become clearer in August.

Oh, I'm plenty concerned about replacing Marshawn Lynch in the near future too. Anyone who says Michael will replace Lynch with no risk of drop off is operating on nothing, but optimism at this point.

 

[jblaze]

I don't understand how everyone is so high on Mayowa. He was a UDFA and if he was that good, he would have gotten snaps last year and he didn't. There's a reason for that.

Perhaps it will become self evident in August.

How about this extension of argument >>>>> Christine Michael was a 2nd round draft pick and if he was that good, he would have gotten more than 26 snaps last year and he didn't. There's a reason for that.

Does this mean you don't understand how everyone can be so high on Michael. If so, perhaps it will become clearer in August.

Oh, I'm plenty concerned about replacing Marshawn Lynch in the near future too. Anyone who says Michael will replace Lynch with no risk of drop off is operating on nothing, but optimism at this point.

I'm hoping CMike moves into the #2 spot this year over Turbin. His combine numbers were insane and he's been compared to LaDainian Tomlinson as far as skillset is concerned. It's going to be very difficult to replace Lynch but I think if anyone can do it, it's CMike. For us to take a RB in the 2nd round, with Lynch in his prime, that's a big deal.

CMike won't run over people like Lynch does but he's much faster and seems like a bigger threat out of the backfield. His shuttle and cone times were amazing too, he'll be a shifty speed guy. I hope we stay with the run first offense and emphasize defense.

 

[Jville]

And Richard Sherman didn't get any meaningful snaps until Trufant got hurt. When Sherman came in, he played better than Tru that year. And he's become better than Trufant ever was (which was pretty dang good).

Just because a guy isn't playing doesn't mean he doesn't have talent.

Good point. Now that is a good analogy.

LOL [urltargetblank]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analogy[/urltargetblank]

 

[MysterMatt]

The pass rush has taken a half step backwards, but with Irvin going back to DE we are gonna be OK.

And, it's a long way til TC. who knows what becomes available in the meantime.

I respect your opinions, but the last time Irvin was a DE, in Atlanta two years ago, everything was not okay. IF they make him a pass rush specialist, I'm still not sure. Dude has speed, but no inside swim and no spin move.

 

[Largent80]

I don't understand how everyone is so high on Mayowa. He was a UDFA and if he was that good, he would have gotten snaps last year and he didn't. There's a reason for that.

Doug Baldwin was UDFA. It means nothing. Ability means everything. Getting experience means a LOT.

The fact that P & J brought these FA pass rushers in says something. Maybe they are knowing more than us?

 

[jblaze]

And Richard Sherman didn't get any meaningful snaps until Trufant got hurt. When Sherman came in, he played better than Tru that year. And he's become better than Trufant ever was (which was pretty dang good).

Just because a guy isn't playing doesn't mean he doesn't have talent.

Good point. Now that is a good analogy.

LOL [urltargetblank]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analogy[/urltargetblank]

Comparing Sherman to Mayowa's potential rise to the starting lineup is an accurate analogy. Reading comprehension is hard?

Maybe you should read the wiki. I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.

 

[MysterMatt]

What concerns? We have Bennett and Avril, we're fine.

Totally. We only need two pass rushers.

They are key pieces and trump the hell out of Clemons being our only pass rusher that could do anything for years.

They are two legs of a stool.

 

[jblaze]

I don't understand how everyone is so high on Mayowa. He was a UDFA and if he was that good, he would have gotten snaps last year and he didn't. There's a reason for that.

Doug Baldwin was UDFA. It means nothing. Ability means everything. Getting experience means a LOT.

The fact that P & J brought these FA pass rushers in says something. Maybe they are knowing more than us?

If you read my post, you understand that was part of my point. Their upcoming moves, or lack thereof, will speak volumes about their opinions of these current players. Everything else is conjecture at this point.

It will be interesting.

 

[joeshaney]

Keeping on topic and not wallowing in the Allen decision, the team has yet to hit on a young drafted DL. Irvin was their highest selection and they are still adjusting to how he best fits. The team needs to hit in the draft on DL, WR and TE. Avril most likely is hitting the market next season. Clemons would have been gone after this season anyway, so some of the young guys need to step up.

Not concerned for this year, but would like to see the success the team has with DBs and LBs translate to the DL. I am leery about Mebane after this season. He has $5.5M against the cap next year with no dead money (or a small amount), leaving him susceptible to being cut. So Hill, Williams and others need to show something, as well as the DEs on the team, Scruggs, Mayowa and Irvin.

Exactly. To read some of the posts on this thread, you'd think Jordan Hill, Greg Scruggs, Jesse Williams and Benson Mayowa were all future Hall of Famers. Sorry, but no. I'm happy to be wrong, but unless we do something better about the Leo position, our pass rush isn't going to be nearly as effective as last year. Allen would have been a brilliant addition, but if we couldn't get the deal done then I'm at peace. My question is, "what's next"? My guess is, for 2014, not much.

This. I definitely have pass rush concerns. Not that we can't address these issues. I have no reason to believe in Mayowa, Scruggs, Hill, or especially Williams. I'm sure that one of those dudes may pan out. Still, we have work to do. I believe we will situate a very good starting line, but depth is highly questionable.

I predict Irvin, McDaniel, Mebane, and Bennett/Avril will end up starting.
Who will rotate with our DTs or what will happen if any of our starters miss time with injury has me worried.

 

[Jville]

And Richard Sherman didn't get any meaningful snaps until Trufant got hurt. When Sherman came in, he played better than Tru that year. And he's become better than Trufant ever was (which was pretty dang good).

Just because a guy isn't playing doesn't mean he doesn't have talent.

Good point. Now that is a good analogy.

LOL [urltargetblank]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analogy[/urltargetblank]

Comparing Sherman to Mayowa's potential rise to the starting lineup is an accurate analogy. Reading comprehension is hard?

Maybe you should read the wiki. I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.

The link was posted for everyone's benefit.

There is no need for engaging in personal attacks.

 

[Hawk-A-Loogie]

NEXT. MAN. UP.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

How many times have they made a move, and people are like "who?"
Only to see them end up contributing??? Quite often.

 

[HawkFan72]

How many times have they made a move, and people are like "who?"
Only to see them end up contributing??? Quite often.

I remember most people on this board had the same reaction when we acquired Chris Clemons. Now we're worrying about who will possibly replace him.

Same with Tony McDaniel. Last year .NET collectively shrugged their shoulders when we signed him. This offseason he was a priority signing.

 

[Scottemojo]

The pass rush has taken a half step backwards, but with Irvin going back to DE we are gonna be OK.

And, it's a long way til TC. who knows what becomes available in the meantime.

I respect your opinions, but the last time Irvin was a DE, in Atlanta two years ago, everything was not okay. IF they make him a pass rush specialist, I'm still not sure. Dude has speed, but no inside swim and no spin move.

Clearly, Irvin is not THE man. But with Bennett and Avril, he won't be carrying a Chukwurah on his back for a playoff game. You are correct, he can't carry the load, and has shown little but a speed rush.

And when I say OK, I mean in the not bad sense, not that we will be stellar. I think having an 8 man rotation is a vital part of creating our brand of pressure, and Irvin is best when he is limited in snaps, like we saw in Atlanta.

I still have high hopes for Mayowa. He looked decent in the pre season, and I don't think they would have hid him at the back of the 53 if he was awful. P and J not exposing him to a practice sqaud says something.

But yeah, I'd be lying if I thought our pass rush was as good as last year at the moment, and I don't count on rookies, so unless they pick up somebody like Schofield or Spencer, it has gone a bit backwards.

 

[DrDix]

People who aren't concerned are kidding themselves. Where's Red to stop the run on 1st and 2nd down to setup our pass rush? Oh yeah. Where's the exceptional and PROVEN depth in Clem? Doesn't exist except for in unproven rookies. Crowning players like Scruggs/Williams/Mayowa as if they will succeed no matter what, is a joke really. I am highly concerned.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

Currently? Yes but there's no reason to think we might not give Shaun Phillips or another vet a shot or pick some vet up in the cutdowns or even draft a DE if it's there.

 

[hawknation2014]

The pass rush will be better this year. Cliff Avril and Michael Bennett will see their snap counts rise. Avril is entering a contract year. He is going to play like his hair is on fire. Mayowa, Scruggs, and Hill will become breakout players this year. Clemons/Red weren't really giving us a consistent pass rush when they were in the game.

I would be more concerned with how they will stop the run. Red was invaluable at controlling his gap and destroying double teams. It sounds like McDaniel will be asked to adapt to that role in certain situations. How will our LBs adjust to the new defensive line? They may have to shed more blocks than they have the last couple seasons.

 

[jblaze]

LOL [urltargetblank]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analogy[/urltargetblank]

Comparing Sherman to Mayowa's potential rise to the starting lineup is an accurate analogy. Reading comprehension is hard?

Maybe you should read the wiki. I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.

The link was posted for everyone's benefit.

There is no need for engaging in personal attacks.

When you quote someone else's post with a "LOL" and a link to wikipedia, it's quite obvious what is intended and it's a jerk move. You're making fun of them and referring them to the definition of the term which implies they don't understand it. That is standard trolling.

You should have worded that better if that wasn't your intent.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

People who aren't concerned are kidding themselves. Where's Red to stop the run on 1st and 2nd down to setup our pass rush? Oh yeah. Where's the exceptional and PROVEN depth in Clem? Doesn't exist except for in unproven rookies. Crowning players like Scruggs/Williams/Mayowa as if they will succeed no matter what, is a joke really. I am highly concerned.

They have to play sometime and guess what? You usually get a surprise or three out of these unproven players every single time. It's fine to be concerned but I wouldn't start now because that's a lot of pointless worry. Do it after you've seen them actually play or something silly like that.

 

[bigtrain21]

People who aren't concerned are kidding themselves. Where's Red to stop the run on 1st and 2nd down to setup our pass rush? Oh yeah. Where's the exceptional and PROVEN depth in Clem? Doesn't exist except for in unproven rookies. Crowning players like Scruggs/Williams/Mayowa as if they will succeed no matter what, is a joke really. I am highly concerned.

Would it surprise you that Red Bryant didn't play one snap in the entire first quarter of the Super Bowl?