Offensive Evolution

[oldhawkfan]

Much has been debated about the state of the offense, from o-line play to WR play to QB play to play calling. Something obviously needs to happen for this offense to start contributing to the overall success of this team. Yeah, they have had their moments, but they have yet to find their identity. During the first part of last year, the offense relied on TJack to throw the ball until the running game seemed to click. In 2011, the offense evolved from a mediocre passing offense with little to no running game to a formidable rushing threat by the end of the season.

Are we seeing the same type of evolution this year? It looks like they are built to run the ball with authority, yet seem to be force feeding the pass offense. I would argue that, even though the offense is built to run the ball, has success at running the ball, needs to run the ball because of a rookie QB, and could take pressure off of the defense by running the ball, the coaching staff has either not allowed the offense to create an identity or they are not committed to running the ball.


When Marshawn Lynch and Robert Turbin consistently gain 4-7 yards a pop, you need to keep running the damn ball. At times I get the feeling that we are watching Russell Wilson take Pro-Football 101. Yes it is a learning experience that he needs to go through. Yes, he is the future at QB. As much as we want to win NOW, it seems like the coaching staff has approached this season as training for next year. Next year Big Russ will have enough experience that he will be allowed to go to graduate school in the offense.


Can we reasonably expect him to successfully lead this offense this year? Should the offense really just go to a pound and ground like we were led to believe that they were built for? Will the coaching staff allow the offense to find its identity? :icon_new: :thgeterdone:

 

[TaterHawk]

They have seen some very good defensive teams in the first half of the season. They have the running game. RW is following marching orders, but going through his progression he may not trust what he is seeing all the time. He will get better with his pre-snap reads. When to stay with a route and when to bail on a receiver. The receivers could help him more..hope they do. I’m excited about this second half. I thought they should have started Flynn and let RW watch for a year, but they got though it and with RW you can tell it’s going to come together. He is smart, on target…now he has experience

 

[SalishHawkFan]

I hope Wilson progresses faster than Flacco did. We have a very similar situation to Baltimore's in 2008. Flacco was the rookie and they had the dominating defense. Now Flacco is coming of age, but the window of opportunity seems to have closed in the meantime:

This was supposed to be the season where the torch was finally shared. The powerhouse Ravens' defense of years past was still capable, but now the "vertical" offense behind Flacco would fill the void. It would be the best of both worlds and it would put the Ravens over the top. And it looked doable, as the team started 5-1. Then came injuries to Lewis and cornerback Lardarius Webb, and then came the most humiliating beatdown of the Harbaugh era.

So who are these new Ravens?

They are not a defensive team. Not when Houston scored a franchise record 43 on them and could have hung 50 with a break or two. The Ravens were 26th in the league in defense coming into this game. Defensive coordinator Dean Pees said he was made "sick" by his team's performance before they even got on the plane to Texas.

A lot has been made of the comparison to Flacco and why Hawks fans should be patient while Wilson breaks his teeth in. But there's no guarantee that tomorrow ever comes. Hawks fans know better than to buy into the old refrain that a dynasty is "just around the corner". Strike while the fire's hot is the only reasonable philosophy to take in the NFL. Otherwise, we may wind up like the Ravens. Their fan base must be livid with frustration all those years watching the best defense in the NFL get wasted while their QB cut his teeth.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

I hope Wilson progresses faster than Flacco did. We have a very similar situation to Baltimore's in 2008. Flacco was the rookie and they had the dominating defense. Now Flacco is coming of age, but the window of opportunity seems to have closed in the meantime:

This was supposed to be the season where the torch was finally shared. The powerhouse Ravens' defense of years past was still capable, but now the "vertical" offense behind Flacco would fill the void. It would be the best of both worlds and it would put the Ravens over the top. And it looked doable, as the team started 5-1. Then came injuries to Lewis and cornerback Lardarius Webb, and then came the most humiliating beatdown of the Harbaugh era.

So who are these new Ravens?

They are not a defensive team. Not when Houston scored a franchise record 43 on them and could have hung 50 with a break or two. The Ravens were 26th in the league in defense coming into this game. Defensive coordinator Dean Pees said he was made "sick" by his team's performance before they even got on the plane to Texas.

A lot has been made of the comparison to Flacco and why Hawks fans should be patient while Wilson breaks his teeth in. But there's no guarantee that tomorrow ever comes. Hawks fans know better than to buy into the old refrain that a dynasty is "just around the corner". Strike while the fire's hot is the only reasonable philosophy to take in the NFL. Otherwise, we may wind up like the Ravens. Their fan base must be livid with frustration all those years watching the best defense in the NFL get wasted while their QB cut his teeth.

Good points Salish and I thought of the same thing yesterday....what if the offense comes around about the same time the defense starts fading. I think there's at least a 2 year window after this season though and maybe 3 or 4. Of course if Pete and John are as good at drafting as they have been thus far on the defensive side, the fading of the defense may never happen.

 

[Starrman44]

What I like with our offense is you've seen flashes. We've seen a lot of good things this year. Some of the disconnects are drops. Drops can be fixed (with other personnel if necessary).

The Line has had a lot of turmoil this year. Lines take time to gel, IMO. If Carp can stay healthy, they should just get better in Pass Pro and they are already really good in the run game.

I'm pretty encouraged by how our offense is coming. I expect it to continue to get better.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Can we reasonably expect him to successfully lead this offense this year?

Hasn't he done that already?

 

[ImTheScientist]

A lot has been made of the comparison to Flacco and why Hawks fans should be patient while Wilson breaks his teeth in. But there's no guarantee that tomorrow ever comes. Hawks fans know better than to buy into the old refrain that a dynasty is "just around the corner". Strike while the fire's hot is the only reasonable philosophy to take in the NFL. Otherwise, we may wind up like the Ravens. Their fan base must be livid with frustration all those years watching the best defense in the NFL get wasted while their QB cut his teeth.

We couldn't land a Peyton Manning.... Wilson is our best option. Not sure what other option you would have preferred considering Peyton wouldn't sign with us.

 

[Navyhawkfan187]

The key cogs in Baltimore have all been in the league almost a decade, hence their window is slamming shut, our key cogs all have about 3yrs or less experience, hence our window is just opening and we have time to cut Wilson's teeth on the NFL game. If we had a 35yr old Safety and MLB combo I would see your point more aptly.

 

[scutterhawk]

Can we reasonably expect him to successfully lead this offense this year?

Hasn't he done that already?

No, not consistently anyways.
He's still puting it together, but still has quite a way to go.

He needs to use all the tricks in the bag, he needs to work on his short game (dink & dunk).
The problem as I see it, is that Defenses have seen him succeed with the long passes, and have found a way to counter him by puting pressure on him to beat their whole Defense, while he's running to set up for a pass.
That wears out your Offense, and diminishes your pass protection, you can't consistently run that type Offense, and you need to throw something at the Defenses that they don't see on a regular basis, or they will neutralize you.
The Seahawks run game is great, but we need to be more multi-faceted, we need Wilson to expand,,He has all the tools, athleticism and intelligence, now it's time to Coach him up, and lift even more restrictions on him, and I think we'll be okay.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

A lot has been made of the comparison to Flacco and why Hawks fans should be patient while Wilson breaks his teeth in. But there's no guarantee that tomorrow ever comes. Hawks fans know better than to buy into the old refrain that a dynasty is "just around the corner". Strike while the fire's hot is the only reasonable philosophy to take in the NFL. Otherwise, we may wind up like the Ravens. Their fan base must be livid with frustration all those years watching the best defense in the NFL get wasted while their QB cut his teeth.

According to most people in here, we're just suppose to accept the fact that Wilson stinks this year cause we're going to have 8-10 more years of being good. So all these growing pains will be worth it three years from now when our defense is possibly weaker, and who knows how our special teams and Lynch perform, if he's even around at all.

 

[ImTheScientist]

A lot has been made of the comparison to Flacco and why Hawks fans should be patient while Wilson breaks his teeth in. But there's no guarantee that tomorrow ever comes. Hawks fans know better than to buy into the old refrain that a dynasty is "just around the corner". Strike while the fire's hot is the only reasonable philosophy to take in the NFL. Otherwise, we may wind up like the Ravens. Their fan base must be livid with frustration all those years watching the best defense in the NFL get wasted while their QB cut his teeth.

According to most people in here, we're just suppose to accept the fact that Wilson stinks this year cause we're going to have 8-10 more years of being good. So all these growing pains will be worth it three years from now when our defense is possibly weaker, and who knows how our special teams and Lynch perform, if he's even around at all.

If we were able to sign Peyton Manning sitting Wilson would be an option. Currently he is the most experienced QB on the roster and gives us the best chance to win.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

A lot has been made of the comparison to Flacco and why Hawks fans should be patient while Wilson breaks his teeth in. But there's no guarantee that tomorrow ever comes. Hawks fans know better than to buy into the old refrain that a dynasty is "just around the corner". Strike while the fire's hot is the only reasonable philosophy to take in the NFL. Otherwise, we may wind up like the Ravens. Their fan base must be livid with frustration all those years watching the best defense in the NFL get wasted while their QB cut his teeth.

According to most people in here, we're just suppose to accept the fact that Wilson stinks this year cause we're going to have 8-10 more years of being good. So all these growing pains will be worth it three years from now when our defense is possibly weaker, and who knows how our special teams and Lynch perform, if he's even around at all.

If we were able to sign Peyton Manning sitting Wilson would be an option. Currently he is the most experienced QB on the roster and gives us the best chance to win.

Someone better tell Matt Flynn that Russell somehow snuck into the NFL eight years ago without anyone knowing and amassed copious amounts of experience.

 

[manders2600]

Are we seeing the same type of evolution this year? It looks like they are built to run the ball with authority, yet seem to be force feeding the pass offense. I would argue that, even though the offense is built to run the ball, has success at running the ball, needs to run the ball because of a rookie QB, and could take pressure off of the defense by running the ball, the coaching staff has either not allowed the offense to create an identity or they are not committed to running the ball.


When Marshawn Lynch and Robert Turbin consistently gain 4-7 yards a pop, you need to keep running the damn ball.

I believe Seattle has the highest run/pass ratio in the league. You're saying run the ball even more?

 

[ImTheScientist]

If we were able to sign Peyton Manning sitting Wilson would be an option. Currently he is the most experienced QB on the roster and gives us the best chance to win.

Someone better tell Matt Flynn that Russell somehow snuck into the NFL eight years ago without anyone knowing and amassed copious amounts of experience.

Wilson - 7 NFL starts, 42 college starts in the last 5 years.
Flynn - 2 NFL starts, 14 college starts in the last 9 years.

I guess we disagree on what constitutes experience. To me Wilson is by far the more experienced QB. You can only learn so much holding a clipboard. To only have 16 starts in 9 years is worrisome. Wilson is by far the more experienced QB. Even if you just consider NFL starts Wilson has more. Im not a believer in you learn from the bench...so maybe we disagree on that.

 

[edogg23]

If we were able to sign Peyton Manning sitting Wilson would be an option. Currently he is the most experienced QB on the roster and gives us the best chance to win.

Someone better tell Matt Flynn that Russell somehow snuck into the NFL eight years ago without anyone knowing and amassed copious amounts of experience.

Wilson - 7 NFL starts, 42 college starts in the last 5 years.
Flynn - 2 NFL starts, 14 college starts in the last 9 years.

I guess we disagree on what constitutes experience. To me Wilson is by far the more experienced QB. You can only learn so much holding a clipboard. To only have 16 starts in 9 years is worrisome. Wilson is by far the more experienced QB. Even if you just consider NFL starts Wilson has more. Im not a believer in you learn from the bench...so maybe we disagree on that.

And yet with all this lack of experience, he still has more TDs in 2 games then Wilson has in all 7!

 

[Seeker]

They catch them passes, were all sitting here talking about how dope our offense was at crushing the niners 28 - 3.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

They catch them passes, were all sitting here talking about how dope our offense was at crushing the niners 28 - 3.

:th2thumbs:

 

[Schadie001]

I'm getting sick of the Wilson can't do it threads. For the love of God the kid threw 1 bad pass in the game against SF: a deep int. He put the ball right on the money to Turbin (dropped) put it in a tight window and right on the money to Moore (dropped), put it where Edwards could have made a play for a TD (dropped for TD), to Rice (dropped), Lynch (dropped) and Tate on several occasions (dropped). He threw 2 passes away when getting chased (good decisions). If these balls are caught and we win, would anyone question our ROOKIE QB.

I remember last year when TJ was sucking (which I don't think Wilson is this year) and everyone was complaining to put in Whitehearst. He gets in and lays and egg. Guess the coachs know what's up. They see the guys in practice, in meeting, etc every single day. PC isn't afraid to change things up and puts the best players on the field. Wilson is just better that Flynn, he must be and it is evident by Flynn not starting.

And what Hawks said above.

 

[falcongoggles]

What I like with our offense is you've seen flashes. We've seen a lot of good things this year. Some of the disconnects are drops. Drops can be fixed (with other personnel if necessary).

The Line has had a lot of turmoil this year. Lines take time to gel, IMO. If Carp can stay healthy, they should just get better in Pass Pro and they are already really good in the run game.

I'm pretty encouraged by how our offense is coming. I expect it to continue to get better.

Don't forget penalties...arggghhhhhh....penalties

 

[ImTheScientist]

I'm getting sick of the Wilson can't do it threads.

:13: makes me want to respond to every thread about Flynn/Wilson until that noise stops.