O-Line talk is "lazy narrative"

[Crizilla]

John, it's been a decade.

 

[Seattle Person]

It is.

Fans need to move on.

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

Schneider can tell Jodi Allen the same thing if Schneider gets fired after this season….

Allen: “Thank you, for all you’ve done—we are going in a new direction now. Best of luck to you, John.”

JS: “That’s a lazy narrative!”

 

[toffee]

In Schneider's defense: blocking for Russell Wilson made OL look bad; and, and from Schneider's eyes, Geno is geNO,

 

[glenwo2]

In Schneider's defense: blocking for Russell Wilson made OL look bad. and , Geno is geNO,

Here's the crazy thing :

Even though you're being sarcastic, that is actually a true statement. LOL

 

[Seahawker]

He's convoluted & bullheaded, this may not bode well for us. There is no other position group in such dire need of upgrade(s), the OLine is the only one on life support. The BAP vs need argument is not relevant and here's why.

1) Whatever the choices between positions at 18, there is not likely to be a great difference in grading. Splitting hairs because a Safety was graded slightly higher than an OG would be ignorant at this point.
2) This OL cancer has went on far too long, they've had their chance to fix it.
Now it HAS TO BE fixed.
3) two straight years of double digit wins with no playoffs and a long playoff win drought, the reason? The OLine.
4) Ineffective run game, poor pass protection & red zone production. Over taxing our defense with lopsided TOP.
5) New QB, WR, RB, TE rooms and a new OC all depending on a functioning OL.

I wouldn't be lazy about fixing this, I would take OL at 18, I would also take another OL at 50. Don't even wait until 52, they might be gone. It's that important.
Ultimately, after 18, I would seriously try to trade 50 & 52 to move up into the 1st round to take another top OL. If not that package a 2nd & 3rd to move up in the 2nd round to grab one of the last solid OLine. This is one time we should invest in insurance to get this right.
There are options to solving this problem beyond just using one of our top picks.

IMHO, the only picks that matter, or should be used to solve our offensive line problems are 18, 50, 52 and I would use two of them starting with 18.
Should also save some cap $ to sign an OL vet preseason cut to help transition the rookies.

This team will never reach its potential until it's biggest weakness is not only fixed, but greatly improved upon.

 

[CalgaryFan05]

John, it's been a decade.

“We’ve made our biggest mistakes when we’ve, you know, pushed players up a board for need — rob Peter to pay Paul — for offensive lines,” Schneider said at the combine in Indianapolis two months ago.

Um. First of all, when the **** did you DO that?

Second of all, this is the stupidest quote that I've heard out of JS's mouth yet.

I'm hoping that the new Offensive Coordinator, and schemes, and balanced running attack, and possibly fullback, and jacked defense are going to mask the problem.

But if we have a 51% year, and we miss the playoffs again, and it's on the Oline. JS needs to be fired.

I've said earlier this offseason that he needs to be fired. I had a small moment when he said something that sounded intelligent about the situation about a month ago. But there's no excuse for this kind of bullheadedness. We just fired the last OC for the SAME AMOUNT of denial and bullheadedness.

FFS. Fix it.

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

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He's convoluted & bullheaded, this may not bode well for us. There is no other position group in such dire need of upgrade(s), the OLine is the only one on life support. The BAP vs need argument is not relevant and here's why.

1) Whatever the choices between positions at 18, there is not likely to be a great difference in grading. Splitting hairs because a Safety was graded slightly higher than an OG would be ignorant at this point.
2) This OL cancer has went on far too long, they've had their chance to fix it.
Now it HAS TO BE fixed.
3) two straight years of double digit wins with no playoffs and a long playoff win drought, the reason? The OLine.
4) Ineffective run game, poor pass protection & red zone production. Over taxing our defense with lopsided TOP.
5) New QB, WR, RB, TE rooms and a new OC all depending on a functioning OL.

I wouldn't be lazy about fixing this, I would take OL at 18, I would also take another OL at 50. Don't even wait until 52, they might be gone. It's that important.
Ultimately, after 18, I would seriously try to trade 50 & 52 to move up into the 1st round to take another top OL. If not that package a 2nd & 3rd to move up in the 2nd round to grab one of the last solid OLine. This is one time we should invest in insurance to get this right.
There are options to solving this problem beyond just using one of our top picks.

IMHO, the only picks that matter, or should be used to solve our offensive line problems are 18, 50, 52 and I would use two of them starting with 18.
Should also save some cap $ to sign an OL vet preseason cut to help transition the rookies.

This team will never reach its potential until its biggest weakness is not only fixed, but greatly improved upon.

I like this thinking. But, seeing as we know Schneider for years and years and years and years of Schneider sucking with the offensive line. I’m going to assume he definitely doesn’t think he “has to” do anything different with the offensive line.

I have no more faith in Schneider turning around this offensive line….unless for whatever reason with this draft class crop Schneider somehow pulls a rabbit out of a hat….

 

[oldhawkfan]

“We’ve made our biggest mistakes when we’ve, you know, pushed players up a board for need — rob Peter to pay Paul — for offensive lines,” Schneider said at the combine in Indianapolis two months ago.

Um. First of all, when the **** did you DO that?

Second of all, this is the stupidest quote that I've heard out of JS's mouth yet.

I'm hoping that the new Offensive Coordinator, and schemes, and balanced running attack, and possibly fullback, and jacked defense are going to mask the problem.

But if we have a 51% year, and we miss the playoffs again, and it's on the Oline. JS needs to be fired.

I've said earlier this offseason that he needs to be fired. I had a small moment when he said something that sounded intelligent about the situation about a month ago. But there's no excuse for this kind of bullheadedness. We just fired the last OC for the SAME AMOUNT of denial and bullheadedness.

FFS. Fix it.

The first name that popped into my head upon reading this was James Carpenter.

 

[toffee]

“We’ve made our biggest mistakes when we’ve, you know, pushed players up a board for need — rob Peter to pay Paul — for offensive lines,” Schneider said at the combine in Indianapolis two months ago.

Um. First of all, when the **** did you DO that?

Ifedi

FFS. Fix it.

"Ain't broke, don't fix." our GM surely does not think the OL needs fixing, don't believe me? This off-season, we signed none other than:

• Tackle Sala Aumavae-Laulu – No. 70
• Tackle Josh Jones – No. 74

You have never heard of these gentlemen? Neither have I, but they were the offensive linemen we signed. Thank you Willie Schneider for finding them, and thank you John Schneider for signing them.

 

[NoGain]

Bob Condotta wrote a long article in the Sunday Seattle Times about the woes of the Hawks' offensive line for over a decade now. They are beyond dispute one of the most inept teams in the NFL at putting an effectively consistent offensive line together. JS either fixes this quick or he's out for me. I'm sick of our QB's constantly under pressure and our failure to get a solidly consistent running attack going. It puts too much pressure on the defense, causes lopsided TOS stats, leads to too many three and outs, and slows down in the red zone. Fix. It. Now.

 

[Sprfunk]

Well, I guess I'll say this. I want the oline fixed as much as anyone, and I agree that it's been far too long since it's been good. Its been hamstringing us.
Here is the hard part about a fast Oline fix. Oline players tend to take 2-3 years to mature. The far majority of talented oline players don't come in and look good right away, they struggle like Haynes, Owlu, and Bradford have. Do we just throw in the towl on those guys? If you watch their college tape and put them in this draft they would go about the same place in the draft. They are talented, and we hope they take a step.

So if we draft 3 oline players at the top of the draft and let them start, our oline will most likely play worse. It will not be a quick fix.

So the question is, do they have to take OLine at 18? They don't have to, and I hope they don't. There is a ton of quality inside oline prospects this draft, so we don't need to overdraft for Oline need. It's a better value to draft one or two in the 2nd/3rd as the quality of that player is close to Zabel, or Booker. Granted if they did choose to draft Oline in the 1st I would be on board because it would mean they love that guy.

But I would be just fine with nearly any other position at 18. BPA

 

[Shane Falco]

Good thread, with good comments. Couldn't agree more with what's been said above.

It blows my mind that so many fans thinks it's fine or that the IOL doesn't matter that much. I've heard all the arguments about why it will be ok. But I don't agree with most of them.

Hope I eat some crow on this issue this season, nothing I would want more, but I just don't see it happening. The way he's going about it is going to require a big amount of luck if it goes well.

 

[Shane Falco]

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I like this thinking. But, seeing as we know Schneider for years and years and years and years of Schneider sucking with the offensive line. I’m going to assume he definitely doesn’t think he “has to” do anything different with the offensive line.

I have no more faith in Schneider turning around this offensive line….unless for whatever reason with this draft class crop Schneider somehow pulls a rabbit out of a hat….

Yes. There's no question about his philosophy on putting together an IOL at this point. It's deliberate. Exactly why I don't have much faith. What gets me the most, even more than the lack of quality given to the IOL is the lack of continuity that he allows to happen routinely. Hugely important element that's always missing. I can't even remember when we had the same 3 guys in the middle play together in consecutive seasons.

 

[chris98251]

We took a team that had Whitehurst and Hass at QB and were able to run with Lynch, our draft picks have been let go, traded and repositioned. We have gone thru how many OC's and Line coaches now?

One factor is consistency 2nd factor is Russell Wilson. 3rd is the ability of Pete to hold Wilson accountable.

Lynch despite a bad line most the time succeeded due to who he is, not because of the blocking scheme, Wilson has shown no matter where he plays now his line cannot block effectively, it wasn't all the lines fault, the line coaches fault or OC's fault, I have heard we had tells that other teams used, Wilson has them.

The other aspect as many of those Lineman that moved on were pretty successful on other team, can't believe that all of those got it suddenly.

 

[therealjohncarlson]

It is.

Fans need to move on.

Lol why are you posting on here if you think fans shouldnt support the team because of a bad OL.

I mean I know its been bad but seriously?

 

[Sol Duc]

I am ready for a change at the GM, regardless of this years draft.

 

[Seattle Person]

Lol why are you posting on here if you think fans shouldnt support the team because of a bad OL.

I mean I know its been bad but seriously?

I have no problems if fans actually present an argument with analysis of why it's bad and how to fix it.

All people talk about are the same things and complain about the same things. All people do is bring up the same old quotes. That we should move on from. It's boring...

Let's actually discuss and have better discourse. I agree with JS. Don't be lazy with it.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Part of the narrative is very lazy, especially from your average Joe of a fan. Most teams are hurting for OL talent and, really, it usually comes down to scheme and coaching to maximize talent rather than continually trying to buy a line. The Eagles are out there turning rugby players into top flight left tackles and hitting on every OL pick - do all of those guys turn out as well elsewhere? No.

Not sure why John would actually put his foot that far into his mouth, though. Talk about kicking the hornets nest. Pete was clearly the more savvy communicator of the two.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Yeah, it was somehow Russ who make a crap o line look bad. Um, no. They just were bad, and he saved this teams a** game after game, for years.

Here's the crazy thing :

Even though you're being sarcastic, that is actually a true statement.