Stats still mean a lot even if you don't win. They might not mean anything to fans without winning; but they still mean a lot when it comes to bonuses, getting paid in free agency or earning an extension, or in the case of guys like Calvin Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald can get you into the Hall of Fame even with a career losing record.
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Its interesting cuz, despite Geno leading in passing, his TDs is quite low. He is ranked 18th w/ 4TDs and he is tied 4th w/ a few other QBS in most thrown 4INT. In 4 games, Geno scores 4tds & 4int, which is actually pretty terrible. Mahomes has 6TDs & 4Int which is almost as bad.
Usually with high volume yards comes with a lot of TDs. I wonder if the FO is purposely trying to lower his price tag by getting low TDs or is Geno really bad at the redzone.
Usually with high volume yards comes with a lot of TDs. I wonder if the FO is purposely trying to lower his price tag by getting low TDs or is Geno really bad at the redzone.
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My point is that there are several games where someone puts up great numbers in a loss. Stats don't always tell the story. That's all.
Not everything has to be an argument
How many times have you looked at a stat sheet and thought "how the hell did they win that game?"
Often
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They aren't meaningless, but when you have games where your chucking the ball up 56 times, do they really mean as much as some want them too?
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One of the downsides of Geno's stats is his TD:INT ratio. He's thrown 4 TD passes and 4 picks, and it's hurt his passer rating as he's ranked just 17th amongst starting QB's.
Last season, Geno's weakness was on third down and in the red zone. This season, we're ranked 17th on 3rd down and Geno's red zone completion percentage is just 36.4%, the lowest in the league for starting quarterbacks. For reference, Baker Mayfield's RZ completion percentage is 75%, Sam Darnold's is 72%, Kyler Murray 80%. Obviously, that's not all on Geno, but if we're going to trumpet his performance by looking at the stats, we can't just cherry pick the good ones and start hollering MVP.
That doesn't mean I'm down on Geno. We're 3-1 and leading our division, and a lot of it has to do with his performance, and I'm perfectly comfortable with him under center. But MVP? Come on, man!
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Last season, Geno's weakness was on third down and in the red zone. This season, we're ranked 17th on 3rd down and Geno's red zone completion percentage is just 36.4%, the lowest in the league for starting quarterbacks. For reference, Baker Mayfield's RZ completion percentage is 75%, Sam Darnold's is 72%, Kyler Murray 80%. Obviously, that's not all on Geno, but if we're going to trumpet his performance by looking at the stats, we can't just cherry pick the good ones and start hollering MVP.
That doesn't mean I'm down on Geno. We're 3-1 and leading our division, and a lot of it has to do with his performance, and I'm perfectly comfortable with him under center. But MVP? Come on, man!
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SoulfishHawk
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Yeah, I'm good with Geno these days. But MVP? Best in the league? Easy there Chief.
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Not bad for a stop gap qb.
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Part of it is simply that the RBs are snagging the touchdowns currently once we get in range. We are third in the league right now with 8 rushing TDs.
It's true that the TD total looks a little low, on the other hand we have had 3 1 Yard rushing TDs in 4 games, each of which have come after big gains in the passing game (Charbonnet after a 12y DPI against Patriots, Walker on Monday after 29 yard pass to Metcalf bringing it down to the 1 (and 2 attempts to get in), and Walker again after a 10 yard pass to Bobo brought down at the 1.
Those are rushing TDs which were hairsbreadths away from being Geno TDs and makes the statline look more respectable - but it doesn't really matter because we scored anyway - if Walker/Charbonnet end up with 20 1 yard TDs for the season following passing plays which spotted us at the 1, nobody would care.
The interceptions are slightly more concerning, but with 2 coming off of tipped balls and one on opening season play weirdness it's not something I'm overly worried about just yet, especially given the rest of his offensive output.
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Yep, several rushing TD's so far, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's that way most of the year.
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Ok i looked up his redzone stats and its not good.
Redzone
4/11
33.6% comp
1 TD & 1 INT
Inside 10
1/6
16.7% comp
1 TD & 0 INT
Inside 5
0/4
0%
0 TD & 0 INT
Geno is ranked #33rd
Redzone
4/11
33.6% comp
1 TD & 1 INT
Inside 10
1/6
16.7% comp
1 TD & 0 INT
Inside 5
0/4
0%
0 TD & 0 INT
Geno is ranked #33rd
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All the time I spend on this site makes me feel qualified to answer this for you.
Geno does good = Geno good
Geno struggles = Offensive line bad
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Geno Smith has always struggled in the red zone. It’s why I wouldn’t put him in the same tier as the elite QBs in the NFL.
Back in 2023 we had one of the worst red zone offenses in the NFL. Geno Smith also had one of the lowest completion percentages in the NFL in the end zone.
His first year starting he initially wasn’t here but halfway through the season the Seahawks became a bad red zone team.
It’s a struggle Geno has had, converting those red zone trips into TDs. He’s killer between the 20s but comes back down to earth in the end zone.
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Except this has been an issue with Seattle’s offense for much longer than a season among multiple coordinators at this point.
Now we have had line issues, I will give you that.
For anyone wondering, this is why EPA is a better stat than TDs. Geno's is around 17th in total TDs but 4th in EPA. He's a significant factor in our scoring, and, as Maelstrom notes, it doesn't show up on the stats sheet because of RBs.
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I've been guilty at times of pushing the view that it feels like Geno often struggles in pressure and clutch situations, and perhaps that's from me unfairly focusing on the failures, because looking into his stats: they just don't reflect that.
Geno has engineered 16 game-winning drives in 81 career starts, which is a tremendous number. And it's not like those have all come in recent years when he has been blessed with some excellent targets in the passing game. As a rookie in 2013, he led the NFL with five GWDs for an 8-8 Jets team whose leading receivers were Jeremy Kurley (who?), David Nelson (who?), and a way-past-his-prime Kellen Winslow II. It has been said before, but wow did that team ever set him up to fail.
Tangential, but interesting (to me anyway), looking into that 2013 Jets team, I found a Seahawks connection. The final NFL reception, and only NFL reception not in a Seahawks uniform, of Ben Obomanu was on an 8-yard pass from Geno. It came in a Week 4 38-13 loss to a Titans squad led by Jake Locker.
Geno has engineered 16 game-winning drives in 81 career starts, which is a tremendous number. And it's not like those have all come in recent years when he has been blessed with some excellent targets in the passing game. As a rookie in 2013, he led the NFL with five GWDs for an 8-8 Jets team whose leading receivers were Jeremy Kurley (who?), David Nelson (who?), and a way-past-his-prime Kellen Winslow II. It has been said before, but wow did that team ever set him up to fail.
Tangential, but interesting (to me anyway), looking into that 2013 Jets team, I found a Seahawks connection. The final NFL reception, and only NFL reception not in a Seahawks uniform, of Ben Obomanu was on an 8-yard pass from Geno. It came in a Week 4 38-13 loss to a Titans squad led by Jake Locker.
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All we need is for the O-line to start playing A LOT better and Geno will probably pretty much unstoppable.
Maelstrom787
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The difference now, however, is that we are actually scoring on the ground. We're scoring touchdowns at the 7th highest frequency in the league currently.
They're scoring a ton. They're just doing it on run plays more.
Maelstrom787
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This has been the hardest notion to dispel about Geno. He's been... almost incredibly clutch in his career, even early in his career when he was nothing like the QB he is now.
The 2 constants were a tight spiral and the "rally" gene in close games.
I did not expect to become one of Geno's biggest fans, but the more I dug into him, the more I saw a franchise caliber passer.
