No love from ESPN for the Hawks

[hawknation2018]

I'm confused. Why should any seahawk player or coach should be mentioned for any of the Titles for this year?

The consensus is that Pete Carroll should be the runner up for Coach of the Year. The AP had a preliminary vote and Carroll finished 2nd to Bears HC Matt Nagy.

A year after a massive exodus in talent and a rebuild of the assistant coaching staff, many expected a losing record for the Seahawks. Instead, Carroll has the team in the playoffs. Schottenheimer and Solari were A+ hires. The offense is scoring the second most points in franchise history. The offense line has dramatically improved its technique. They have the #1 rushing offense after two years of not being able to run the ball. Russell Wilson is having a career year. They have the highest team passer rating in franchise history. The defense has been almost completely rebuilt, yet they are ranked 11th in scoring defense. They just handed the best team in the AFC their worst defeat of the season.

 

[Uncle Si]

I'm confused. Why should any seahawk player or coach should be mentioned for any of the Titles for this year?

The consensus is that Pete Carroll should be the runner up for Coach of the Year. The AP had a preliminary vote and Carroll finished 2nd to Bears HC Matt Nagy.

A year after a massive exodus in talent and a rebuild of the assistant coaching staff, many expected a losing record for the Seahawks. Instead, Carroll has the team in the playoffs. Schottenheimer and Solari were A+ hires. The offense is scoring the second most points in franchise history. The offense line has dramatically improved its technique. They have the #1 rushing offense after two years of not being able to run the ball. Russell Wilson is having a career year. They have the highest team passer rating in franchise history. The defense has been almost completely rebuilt, yet they are ranked 11th in scoring defense. They just handed the best team in the AFC their worst defeat of the season.

Hes not confused.

 

[WestcoastSteve]

I'm confused. Why should any seahawk player or coach should be mentioned for any of the Titles for this year?

Yup -- I think the majority of awards are pretty clear cut.

Coach of the Year almost always goes to someone who turns a bad team into a successful one. Not like they give it to coaches who overcome personnel losses.

Nagy is going to turn a 5 win team into a 12 win team. It's not just Khalil Mack either, he's made Trubisky look pretty good.

 

[poly1274]

I'm confused. Why should any seahawk player or coach should be mentioned for any of the Titles for this year?

The consensus is that Pete Carroll should be the runner up for Coach of the Year. The AP had a preliminary vote and Carroll finished 2nd to Bears HC Matt Nagy.

A year after a massive exodus in talent and a rebuild of the assistant coaching staff, many expected a losing record for the Seahawks. Instead, Carroll has the team in the playoffs. Schottenheimer and Solari were A+ hires. The offense is scoring the second most points in franchise history. The offense line has dramatically improved its technique. They have the #1 rushing offense after two years of not being able to run the ball. Russell Wilson is having a career year. They have the highest team passer rating in franchise history. The defense has been almost completely rebuilt, yet they are ranked 11th in scoring defense. They just handed the best team in the AFC their worst defeat of the season.

PC should be the runner up for coach of the year? Our record atm is 8-6

Chargers 11-5 And saints are 13-2. I don't have a problem at all.

If were talking about roster issues, NO deserves more because other than theri QB everyone else is meh. Seattle at least has 2 top tier players besides Wilson. (Earl. Bobby Wagner).


And the chiefs aren't the best team in the AFC. No one thinks they will get to the superbowl with their lousy D. If they had Hunt though, I think the seahawks would have lost the game.

 

[hawknation2018]

I'm confused. Why should any seahawk player or coach should be mentioned for any of the Titles for this year?

The consensus is that Pete Carroll should be the runner up for Coach of the Year. The AP had a preliminary vote and Carroll finished 2nd to Bears HC Matt Nagy.

A year after a massive exodus in talent and a rebuild of the assistant coaching staff, many expected a losing record for the Seahawks. Instead, Carroll has the team in the playoffs. Schottenheimer and Solari were A+ hires. The offense is scoring the second most points in franchise history. The offense line has dramatically improved its technique. They have the #1 rushing offense after two years of not being able to run the ball. Russell Wilson is having a career year. They have the highest team passer rating in franchise history. The defense has been almost completely rebuilt, yet they are ranked 11th in scoring defense. They just handed the best team in the AFC their worst defeat of the season.

PC should be the runner up for coach of the year? Our record atm is 8-6

Chargers 11-5 And saints are 13-2. I don't have a problem at all.

If were talking about roster issues, NO deserves more because other than theri QB everyone else is meh. Seattle at least has 2 top tier players besides Wilson. (Earl. Bobby Wagner).


And the chiefs aren't the best team in the AFC. No one thinks they will get to the superbowl with their lousy D. If they had Hunt though, I think the seahawks would have lost the game.

Did you miss a game?
:lol:

 

[poly1274]

LOL my bad.

 

[Uncle Si]

I'm confused. Why should any seahawk player or coach should be mentioned for any of the Titles for this year?

The consensus is that Pete Carroll should be the runner up for Coach of the Year. The AP had a preliminary vote and Carroll finished 2nd to Bears HC Matt Nagy.

A year after a massive exodus in talent and a rebuild of the assistant coaching staff, many expected a losing record for the Seahawks. Instead, Carroll has the team in the playoffs. Schottenheimer and Solari were A+ hires. The offense is scoring the second most points in franchise history. The offense line has dramatically improved its technique. They have the #1 rushing offense after two years of not being able to run the ball. Russell Wilson is having a career year. They have the highest team passer rating in franchise history. The defense has been almost completely rebuilt, yet they are ranked 11th in scoring defense. They just handed the best team in the AFC their worst defeat of the season.

PC should be the runner up for coach of the year? Our record atm is 8-6

Chargers 11-5 And saints are 13-2. I don't have a problem at all.

If were talking about roster issues, NO deserves more because other than theri QB everyone else is meh. Seattle at least has 2 top tier players besides Wilson. (Earl. Bobby Wagner).


And the chiefs aren't the best team in the AFC. No one thinks they will get to the superbowl with their lousy D. If they had Hunt though, I think the seahawks would have lost the game.

Did you miss a game?
:lol:

Missing more than that i'd venture

Earl?

Id be shocked if fans of either team would want to swap rosters with the Seahawks.

Most folks recognize the immense job PC has done this season in turning around a team that aged rapidly, eapecially its all stars and had a roster full of stars sent elsewhere.

The bears rise will teump it. But PC should be part of the conversation

 

[OrangeGravy]

I’ve said this years before Seattle won XLVIII....
Win the whole damn thing and they won’t have a choice in having to respect you.

One of the things I throughly enjoyed after XLVIII, was there was no question the better team won that game that day, from start to finish, even the biggest haters had no choice but to give the Hawks their due.

Take the “respect option” out of it by raising the Lombardi Trophy at the end of the game. 8)

To this day, the best part of that whole experience leading up to and post SB game win was listening to the local Denver sports radio show. They were convinced that there was no way the Broncos could lose that game. Nobody could stop the number 1 O and Seattle's offense had no chance to score enough points to be close. The post game autopsy was something I've never heard before or since. It was unbelievable. Some of the best radio ever. You could hear and feel the gaped mouth, jaw dropping confusion through the radio waves. They were so disgusted in their players.

 

[Scorpion05]

An quasi-honorable mention for Wilson and that's about it.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ell-picks-mvp-players-year-best-rookies-plays


"Wilson has thrown only 406 passes this season, the fewest by a considerable margin of any quarterback to make 15 starts. Deshaun Watson is the second-most infrequent passer in that group, and he's at 470 attempts. The average quarterback in that group has thrown 531 passes so far, which is an extra 30 percent on top of Wilson's total. If Wilson were making up for that with significant run volume, it would be worth considering, but he is on pace to finish with 69 carries this season, down from an average of 101.2 rush attempts across Wilson's five healthy campaigns as a pro"

**SIGH**

ESPN is such a bottomless pit of (calm down) nonsense with too few there who actually know what the heck they're talking about.

As I've said before, this is Wilson's best season in the league for reasons that go beyond mere stats (and thus, are far more important reasons to the health and benefit of the team as a whole.)

He has always been one who plays best, and most dangerously, with a strong run game to depend on. Sure, he might have had seasons where he threw more passes but overall he was a lesser QB and the team dynamic suffered because that's not his strength. Call him a game manager (I've never understood the negative connotation some have for that term) he really is for the first time in his career, the leader of this team.

I've never been a bigger fan of Russel Wilson than I am this season. Schotty has been a HUGE factor in his transformation. Much more than any media reports have indicated. That's why I'm so big on Schotty - he's really helped to transform Russ in more ways than merely a stats-reflected QB.

So with that said ESPN can pound sand.

God bless Russell Wilson circa 2018. The guy is getting it done at a rate of proficiency that itself is a remarkable achievement.

You kind of sound like ESPN with the catch 22 and back handed compliments.

If Wilson is playing great, the credit goes to Schotty. I kind of predicted that would be the conclusion of his past critics. That way they get to compliment Wilson while giving back handed statements. The same critics that blamed Russell when our running game wasn’t even average last year, and when he played under the worse conditions a QB has had to play under in recent memory. With the right personnel and scheme, we can be a pass first team. I don’t know how anyone can watch the throws Wilson makes and come to any other conclusion

Wilson will play for another 7-10 years. During at least one of those years, he’s going to have an incredible season. And yet, I suspect the credit will go to something or someone else. Like the running game, or the coordinator. Even though the coordinator had very little success before Wilson. And even though Field Gulls and others have pointed out through film that defenses are giving us FAVORABLE running looks because they respect Wilson’s arm and the deep ball with Lockett

 

[Scorpion05]

I'm confused. Why should any seahawk player or coach should be mentioned for any of the Titles for this year?

The consensus is that Pete Carroll should be the runner up for Coach of the Year. The AP had a preliminary vote and Carroll finished 2nd to Bears HC Matt Nagy.

A year after a massive exodus in talent and a rebuild of the assistant coaching staff, many expected a losing record for the Seahawks. Instead, Carroll has the team in the playoffs. Schottenheimer and Solari were A+ hires. The offense is scoring the second most points in franchise history. The offense line has dramatically improved its technique. They have the #1 rushing offense after two years of not being able to run the ball. Russell Wilson is having a career year. They have the highest team passer rating in franchise history. The defense has been almost completely rebuilt, yet they are ranked 11th in scoring defense. They just handed the best team in the AFC their worst defeat of the season.

PC should be the runner up for coach of the year? Our record atm is 8-6

Chargers 11-5 And saints are 13-2. I don't have a problem at all.

If were talking about roster issues, NO deserves more because other than theri QB everyone else is meh. Seattle at least has 2 top tier players besides Wilson. (Earl. Bobby Wagner).


And the chiefs aren't the best team in the AFC. No one thinks they will get to the superbowl with their lousy D. If they had Hunt though, I think the seahawks would have lost the game.

Lol what?

Chargers have the most talented roster top to bottom in the ENTIRE league.

And lol. Outside of Brees their roster is meh? Do I really have to spell it out? Let’s switch teams then. Put Carroll and Wilson with the Saints roster, and put Brees and Payton with the Seahawks roster. Who wins?

 

[TAB420]

Just like there was no way our defense could contain that high power offense in SB48...

 

[hawknation2018]

I'm confused. Why should any seahawk player or coach should be mentioned for any of the Titles for this year?

The consensus is that Pete Carroll should be the runner up for Coach of the Year. The AP had a preliminary vote and Carroll finished 2nd to Bears HC Matt Nagy.

A year after a massive exodus in talent and a rebuild of the assistant coaching staff, many expected a losing record for the Seahawks. Instead, Carroll has the team in the playoffs. Schottenheimer and Solari were A+ hires. The offense is scoring the second most points in franchise history. The offense line has dramatically improved its technique. They have the #1 rushing offense after two years of not being able to run the ball. Russell Wilson is having a career year. They have the highest team passer rating in franchise history. The defense has been almost completely rebuilt, yet they are ranked 11th in scoring defense. They just handed the best team in the AFC their worst defeat of the season.

PC should be the runner up for coach of the year? Our record atm is 8-6

Chargers 11-5 And saints are 13-2. I don't have a problem at all.

If were talking about roster issues, NO deserves more because other than theri QB everyone else is meh. Seattle at least has 2 top tier players besides Wilson. (Earl. Bobby Wagner).


And the chiefs aren't the best team in the AFC. No one thinks they will get to the superbowl with their lousy D. If they had Hunt though, I think the seahawks would have lost the game.

Lol what?

Chargers have the most talented roster top to bottom in the ENTIRE league.

And lol. Outside of Brees their roster is meh? Do I really have to spell it out? Let’s switch teams then. Put Carroll and Wilson with the Saints roster, and put Brees and Payton with the Seahawks roster. Who wins?

The Saints have some phenomenal talent. They have five Pro Bowlers, not including Alvin Kamara, Ryan Ramczyk or Marshon Lattimore.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Don't care even a little bit. I prefer they dis the Hawks every time.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I'm confused. Why should any seahawk player or coach should be mentioned for any of the Titles for this year?

The consensus is that Pete Carroll should be the runner up for Coach of the Year. The AP had a preliminary vote and Carroll finished 2nd to Bears HC Matt Nagy.

A year after a massive exodus in talent and a rebuild of the assistant coaching staff, many expected a losing record for the Seahawks. Instead, Carroll has the team in the playoffs. Schottenheimer and Solari were A+ hires. The offense is scoring the second most points in franchise history. The offense line has dramatically improved its technique. They have the #1 rushing offense after two years of not being able to run the ball. Russell Wilson is having a career year. They have the highest team passer rating in franchise history. The defense has been almost completely rebuilt, yet they are ranked 11th in scoring defense. They just handed the best team in the AFC their worst defeat of the season.

PC should be the runner up for coach of the year? Our record atm is 8-6

Chargers 11-5 And saints are 13-2. I don't have a problem at all.

If were talking about roster issues, NO deserves more because other than theri QB everyone else is meh. Seattle at least has 2 top tier players besides Wilson. (Earl. Bobby Wagner).


And the chiefs aren't the best team in the AFC. No one thinks they will get to the superbowl with their lousy D. If they had Hunt though, I think the seahawks would have lost the game.

Lol what?

Chargers have the most talented roster top to bottom in the ENTIRE league.

And lol. Outside of Brees their roster is meh? Do I really have to spell it out? Let’s switch teams then. Put Carroll and Wilson with the Saints roster, and put Brees and Payton with the Seahawks roster. Who wins?

So much wrong with this post.

Chargers were 9-7 last year with almost the exact same "most talented roster top to bottom." Lynn and his staff have done a phenomenal job changing the culture and finding ways to maximize that talent.

Just as Mcvay did last year with Fisher's roster, you can't just toss aside what it takes to organize and master a roster's talent potential.

.........and the Saints have a meh roster other than Brees? Lol wut? They have six players going to the Pro Bowl alone, and are stacked on both sides of the ball. Lattimore, Kamara, Thomas, Jordan, Ingram.............and don't forget out boy Unger.

You don't go 13-2 with a "meh" roster.

Do people on here even watch football outside of Hawk games? Sometimes I feel like I'm taking crazy pills coming here with some of these naive ill informed posts.

 

[Scorpion05]

The consensus is that Pete Carroll should be the runner up for Coach of the Year. The AP had a preliminary vote and Carroll finished 2nd to Bears HC Matt Nagy.

A year after a massive exodus in talent and a rebuild of the assistant coaching staff, many expected a losing record for the Seahawks. Instead, Carroll has the team in the playoffs. Schottenheimer and Solari were A+ hires. The offense is scoring the second most points in franchise history. The offense line has dramatically improved its technique. They have the #1 rushing offense after two years of not being able to run the ball. Russell Wilson is having a career year. They have the highest team passer rating in franchise history. The defense has been almost completely rebuilt, yet they are ranked 11th in scoring defense. They just handed the best team in the AFC their worst defeat of the season.

PC should be the runner up for coach of the year? Our record atm is 8-6

Chargers 11-5 And saints are 13-2. I don't have a problem at all.

If were talking about roster issues, NO deserves more because other than theri QB everyone else is meh. Seattle at least has 2 top tier players besides Wilson. (Earl. Bobby Wagner).


And the chiefs aren't the best team in the AFC. No one thinks they will get to the superbowl with their lousy D. If they had Hunt though, I think the seahawks would have lost the game.

Lol what?

Chargers have the most talented roster top to bottom in the ENTIRE league.

And lol. Outside of Brees their roster is meh? Do I really have to spell it out? Let’s switch teams then. Put Carroll and Wilson with the Saints roster, and put Brees and Payton with the Seahawks roster. Who wins?

So much wrong with this post.

Chargers were 9-7 last year with almost the exact same "most talented roster top to bottom." Lynn and his staff have done a phenomenal job changing the culture and finding ways to maximize that talent.

Just as Mcvay did last year with Fisher's roster, you can't just toss aside what it takes to organize and master a roster's talent potential.

.........and the Saints have a meh roster other than Brees? Lol wut? They have six players going to the Pro Bowl alone, and are stacked on both sides of the ball. Lattimore, Kamara, Thomas, Jordan, Ingram.............and don't forget out boy Unger.

You don't go 13-2 with a "meh" roster.

Do people on here even watch football outside of Hawk games? Sometimes I feel like I'm taking crazy pills coming here with some of these naive ill informed posts.

Lynn has done a great job, but outside of that I don’t understand your point

There’s a difference between over achieving and under achieving. Last year, the Chargers under achieved. And quite frankly, they’ve under achieved a lot under Phillip Rivers in his 10+ year career, regardless of coach

Under Jeff Fisher the Rams under achieved. Even when they would give us trouble, I knew they were very talented

If you have a loaded roster, you should get some credit for getting the team to a high level. But context matters. Why do you think Matt Nagy is getting so much credit?? Because he’s overachieving with a very limited QB. Khalil Mack also helps

If a coach takes late round picks and manages to coach his ass off to lead a team to the playoffs, he deserves a lot of credit. The same way a QB may deserve a ton of credit for winning in the face of injuries, O-line, and little offensive support. So Pete Carroll deserves FAR more credit. I can only imagine what he and Wilson would do with the Chargers roster and his coaching

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Lynn has done a great job, but outside of that I don’t understand your point

There’s a difference between over achieving and under achieving. Last year, the Chargers under achieved. And quite frankly, they’ve under achieved a lot under Phillip Rivers in his 10+ year career, regardless of coach

Under Jeff Fisher the Rams under achieved. Even when they would give us trouble, I knew they were very talented

If you have a loaded roster, you should get some credit for getting the team to a high level. But context matters. Why do you think Matt Nagy is getting so much credit?? Because he’s overachieving with a very limited QB. Khalil Mack also helps

If a coach takes late round picks and manages to coach his ass off to lead a team to the playoffs, he deserves a lot of credit. The same way a QB may deserve a ton of credit for winning in the face of injuries, O-line, and little offensive support. So Pete Carroll deserves FAR more credit. I can only imagine what he and Wilson would do with the Chargers roster and his coaching

I said Carroll should certainly be in the conversation, but you're the one completely discounting what Lynn's done.

In one year he's instilled a toughness and edge to that roster, won 11 games and has the Charger's poised to make some noise in the playoffs.

Remember when everyone was pissed that Carroll was getting no love for coach of the year during our SB runs? That's what you're doing now...............discounting a coach's achievement because of roster talent.

Nagy and Lynn are IMO the frontrunners for coach of the year. Pete's done an amazing job, but IMO you gotta be further up there in wins and division title consideration before you get that award. If not, then let's just give it to coach's like Williams for taking over the Browns and winning 6-7 games.

Bottom line with this stuff? Stats and wins/losses matters............that IS what separates players and coaches for end of the year awards.

 

[Crizilla]

I don't get why people still act surprised that a non LA/NY/Boston team/player isn't getting as much respect as others

Mainstream media is trash

 

[LTH]

Funny how they mention that he "doesn't throw enough" while ignoring that with almost 30% less throws, Russ is top 5 in number of TDs, percentage of TDs, etc.

There are stats and there are stats.

That pretty much says it all.. other than how does any one really miss that?

LTH

 

[aawolf]

I get the Russell and Pete snubs, but at least they were talked about.

The biggest snub in the article was Bobby Wagner for Defensive MVP. Donald may edge him out, but B-Wags should be in the conversation.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I get the Russell and Pete snubs, but at least they were talked about.

The biggest snub in the article was Bobby Wagner for Defensive MVP. Donald may edge him out, but B-Wags should be in the conversation.

Unfortunately unless you're a Lawrence Taylor or Derrick Thomas type of LB getting 20 sacks a year, you're not going to get a sniff for defensive MVP.

Again, these awards are stats driven. So even though most coaches and GM's would put Wagner at the top of their list for MVP, sportswriters won't.