Need SF to win next week

[davidonmi]

Saying this makes me sick but, considering the long view picture, we want SF to win next week vs NO if we want the Seahawks to have any chance at the #1 seed. The rest of NO's schedule is a soft schedule. I see NO winning out after SF.

Need SF to beat NO to give the Seahawks the #1 seed, and we need the Seahawks to win out.

If 49ers lose against the Saints, we get the tie-breaker against the 49ers. So even if they beat us in the final game we get the 2nd seed or possible 1st if the Saints stumble. I think im rooting for the Saints this week.

What tie breaker would Seattle have over SF in that scenario? We would have both lost to the Ravens, Saints and each other.

Strength of schedule

We played the Eagles and the Vikings, the 49ers played the Redskins and the Packers. It's not a given (especially with Redskins playing better and Eagles going in wrong division) but it's likely that we will take that tiebreaker.

For this reason I think we should be rooting for NO this week.

 

[Tusc2000]

The goal is to win the division and get a 1st round bye. We best achieve that if SF loses. Whether we are #1 or #2 seed is less critical, because if we win the division, we will host the division round game at home. If SF wins the division, we're the #5 seed -- and are unlikely to win 3 playoff games in a row on the road against good teams.

 

[mikeak]

Saying this makes me sick but, considering the long view picture, we want SF to win next week vs NO if we want the Seahawks to have any chance at the #1 seed. The rest of NO's schedule is a soft schedule. I see NO winning out after SF.

Need SF to beat NO to give the Seahawks the #1 seed, and we need the Seahawks to win out.

If 49ers lose against the Saints, we get the tie-breaker against the 49ers. So even if they beat us in the final game we get the 2nd seed or possible 1st if the Saints stumble. I think im rooting for the Saints this week.

What tie breaker would Seattle have over SF in that scenario? We would have both lost to the Ravens, Saints and each other.

Strength of schedule

We played the Eagles and the Vikings, the 49ers played the Redskins and the Packers. It's not a given (especially with Redskins playing better and Eagles going in wrong division) but it's likely that we will take that tiebreaker.

For this reason I think we should be rooting for NO this week.

Are you sure?

I thought FIRST division tie-breaker gets settled completely separately. Between 49ers and Seahawks if they go 1-1 that is a tie so it goes to conference record so whatever it is then decides who wins the division

THEN AFTER that it looks at ranking for the NFC

Pretty sure it won't look at us, 49ers and Saints at the same time - but I could be wrong. Happened once before

 

[bigskydoc]

We know, without a doubt, that a first round bye is important, as is avoiding the 5 or 6 seed.

We really don't know if the easiest path through the playoffs is the #1 or the #2 seed. It depends on who wins the 3/6 seed wildcard. We want to face the winner of that game in the divisional, rather than the 5 seed (SF).


Sooo, I think the best bet is to root for NO. It gives us a game cushion on the known important outcome of the first round bye, and may or may not help us in the divisional round.

Really doesn't matter who wins, it is a potentially positive outcome for the Hawks.

 

[mikeak]

In my opinion the ONLY reason to root for 49ers is due to the possibility that Seattle gets either 1st or 5th that way

Whatever the outcome is I would strongly prefer to be 1st or 5th if 49ers gets first or 5th as well (obviously one each)

What I don't want is being 5th with 49ers 2nd......... or 2nd with 49ers 5th.........

 

[bigskydoc]

If the Niners lose to the Saints, then we can afford to drop any one game, including vs the Niners, and still get the 2 seed.

If we are tied at 13-3 after week 17 game, we win the tiebreaker based on best win percentage in common games.

 

[Mad Dog]

The goal is to win the division and get a 1st round bye. We best achieve that if SF loses. Whether we are #1 or #2 seed is less critical, because if we win the division, we will host the division round game at home. If SF wins the division, we're the #5 seed -- and are unlikely to win 3 playoff games in a row on the road against good teams.

IF we were a juggernaut of destiny I might buy that but I get more of a plucky overachiever vibe from this team. Getting the division is the prime goal to at least host a playoff game and not travel. Winning the division will almost certainly get us a 2 seed which is a bye and that's just as important. We must not get a 5 seed if we want to go anywhere in the playoffs.

1>2>>>>>>>5

So go Saints. And then lose out after that, OK?

Best case scenario is they tie and beat each other up. That's what I'll cheer for.

 

[StoneCold]

I see no reason, as a fan, not to root for my team to finish #1. Top of the mountain baby!

Go 9er's!

 

[Appyhawk]

49ers/Saints is gonna be a good game for Seahawks whoever wins it, because one of them is gonna lose.
I get the 49er win theory, and the cushion theory, but either way it turns out is benefit for us. I'm good with that. We just have to take care of our own business.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I see no reason, as a fan, not to root for my team to finish #1. Top of the mountain baby!

Go 9er's!

Ahh, but what's the most likely path to #1.

This is quite the Sophie's Choice. If you believe we're going to win out, then of course we want the Niners to win Sunday. But is that a more realistic path then us dropping another game before the season's over?

IMO scenario #2 is more likely, that we drop another game. So if that's the case we want the Saint's to win, so at least we keep our one game cushion going into the Niners game so we still have a chance to get the #2, first round bye and a playoff game at home.

Who knows, and fun to talk about.......cause it means we've got a real shot to go all the way.

 

[HawkinNY]

I think playing away might actually be better. Looks like the hawks play better away then at home. Haven’t had that blow out home game yet. Well the hawks got blown out at home.


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[mikeak]

I think playing away might actually be better. Looks like the hawks play better away then at home. Haven’t had that blow out home game yet. Well the hawks got blown out at home.


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A lot of merit to this especially playing a warm weather / done team vs home in a rainy / snowy weather

With that said GB away......

 

[knownone]

Are we sure the #1 seed is significantly better than the #2 seed? The #1 seed sets up a scenario where we are most likely playing the Niners in the divisional round. I’d much rather have that bloodbath in the championship game.

I’m for whatever scenario has us avoiding the Niners in the divisional round.

 

[Erebus]

If the Niners lose to the Saints, then we can afford to drop any one game, including vs the Niners, and still get the 2 seed.

If we are tied at 13-3 after week 17 game, we win the tiebreaker based on best win percentage in common games.

I assume you're getting your information from ESPN's Playoff Machine, because it gave me the same outcome and explanation. Unfortunately its tie breakers are a little broken. If we're tied at 13-3 after week 17, that means that either we dropped a game and then swept the 49ers, in which case we'd have the head to head tie breaker (obviously not what you're talking about) or the Saints beat the 49ers and we split with them.

In this situation, we'd have the exact same win percentage in common games. The next tie breaker is conference record, which would also be a tie. Strength of victory (SoV) would come in to play, which the only differences would be we played Philadelphia and Minnesota, whereas the 49ers played Washington and Green Bay. This could play out any number of ways, with about a 50/50 chance of us winning that tie breaker. We need to root for Minnesota and Philadelphia the rest of the way and root against Washington and Green Bay.

No matter how SoV plays out, strength of schedule will play out just the same. There's a good chance those two pairs both combine to go 18-14.
Packers: 12-4
Redskins: 6-10
Combined: 18-14

Vikings: 11-5
Eagies: 7-9
Combined: 18-14

And this is a bad scenario for the Seahawks, because the next tie breaker is point differential. The 49ers currently have an insurmountable 130 point advantage there (166 to 36). The only way that changes is if the 49ers start getting blown out, in which case this whole tie breaking scenario is moot.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?page=tiebreakers

TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION
If, at the end of the regular season, two or more teams in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.

Two teams
1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the teams).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.

 

[Chawker]

Our Mighty Seahawks are way too focused on playing the teams on their schedule, looking around at other teams isn't the way we roll here in the PNW.

Who ever wins next week between the Saints and 9ers will be a plus in our favor. We got the Rams in our sights and we will roll in L.A.
:229031_cheers:

 

[seahawksny]

Can't do it. Geaux Saints. If that means we have to travel to New Orleans for the NFC Championship game, so be it.

So be it? Of all 32 teams to play on road in NFCCG if we get there? that is the absolute LAST place i would want to go

 

[themunn]

I suspect SF will handle NO reasonably easily - they've only beaten 2 teams with a winning record all year - us and the Texans in the first few weeks of the season, and haven't looked particularly convincing in any of their recent wins.

I even think that the number 2 seed is possibly the slightly easier route to the superbowl for us than number 1.
If you assume that as No5, SF will easily wipe the floor with No4 NFC East winner, and that the No3 (GB) handles No6, we get GB at home instead of SF, which is a much easier prospect.

It means a SF NO rematch in the divisional round, and that could go either way, but I'd fancy our chances better against either a NO team that's just been up against SF in the divisional round, or a SF team on their 3rd road playoff game.

On the other hand, as No1 seed, we probably play SF on their 2nd road playoff game, then the winner of GB/NO, who will probably be a lot fresher than if they'd gone up against SF's defense. Albeit at least that game would definitely be at home, but if SF win out we still get a home game if we are 2nd seeds.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

NO. Not trying to start an argument, but wanting the Niners to win is next level stupid. Just my own opinion.

 

[Seahawkfan80]

This season we have won more away games then those at home....2 home games losses. I would not mind seeing a win in New Orleans for the NFCCG. It is very hard to win both games methinks this season.

 

[Mad Dog]

NO. Not trying to start an argument, but wanting the Niners to win is next level stupid. Just my own opinion.

SF wins their next three and we lose to Rams and CAR, a lot of people will have egg on their face.

I can tell you that the Seahawks never set #1 seed as a team goal. The number one team goal is to own the division. The Seahawk players will most certainly be cheering for a SF loss. Once we've got the division locked up, I'll worry about seeds.

And the most likely scenario as a 2 seed is that we play GB at home and NO plays SF at home. SF likely takes that game and if we beat Erin, then we play SF at home in the NFCCG.