My take on the current OL situation

[Bobblehead]

I really think Wilson panics way to soon.
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It's only logical, he wants to extend the play and if he's trapped inside the pocket, there is no where to run.

SO, what you have is two choices.
1 Stay in the pocket and make a last moment pass, ala Brady,
2 Escape the pocket before it collapses and hope you can extend the play, problem is, teams are so good now at containing him, that escape is almost not a choice anymore, especially with his injuries this year.

well my 2 c

 

[NFSeahawks]

This is also the lowest paid offensive line. By far. Is it any surprise???

You cant make chicken salad out of chicken Sh@t.

It's Cable and the blocking scheme and less about the talent of player.

 

[onepicknick]

I've been leading the fire Cable train since 2014 and finally people have begun to open their eyes. I'm a visual learner and have summed up my current views in the graphic below. I don't think we can jump up two scales to make a run for the SB unless we Space Jam steal talents from the Dallas Oline. Russell and Marshawn masked a lot of Cables deficiencies. Enough with the bull poop of lowest paid OL. Arizona was on their 7th different OL combination and yet they were able to give Carson a pocket for the entire series except the first drive.

So tell us what you really Think LOL

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Carolina was down two starters on their OL as I recall and Newton stood All. Day. Long. In the pocket while Russ ran for his life.

Carolina was in max protect much of the game. It cost them receivers, and that's a big part of why Newton lost.

That doesn't make Seattle's line good, but you have to check for things like that in your OL deductions.

 

[Smellyman]

I have known this OLine was Horse Poop since the pre-season yet I was called a debbie downer, negative nancy, etc...
Now it seems to be the consensus here. HORSE POOP.

doubt that is true. Everybody was VERY worried about the line

 

[Jville]

Give me a break. Arizona was on their 7th different combination of OL. Yet somehow they were able to give Palmer a pocket to throw from. Yet our genius can't coach up our starter? The pass blocking has been atrocious since 2013 and it's time people take off their rose colored glasses.

Glowinski - 4th round pick
Britt - 2nd round pick
Ifedi - 1st round pick

All have sucked except Britt (on his 3rd different position) and all were handpicked by Cable. At some point people will need to admit he has a terrible eye for talent along with being a terrible coach.

:177692: That is completely false as in a false fictional narrative. Just this week Pete Carroll reiterated, once again, that scouting and personal teams run the draft and free agent acquisitions. The head coach, general manager, coaching staff, scouting staff and organization as a whole have been consist in that disclosure for years. Scouting and personnel ask for and receive coaching input. But they make the choices and sign players ..... not the coaches. This false made up narrative that coaches handpick draft choices is a myth. The propagation of such false myths is a huge disservice.

 

[hawkfan68]

Give me a break. Arizona was on their 7th different combination of OL. Yet somehow they were able to give Palmer a pocket to throw from. Yet our genius can't coach up our starter? The pass blocking has been atrocious since 2013 and it's time people take off their rose colored glasses.

Glowinski - 4th round pick
Britt - 2nd round pick
Ifedi - 1st round pick

All have sucked except Britt (on his 3rd different position) and all were handpicked by Cable. At some point people will need to admit he has a terrible eye for talent along with being a terrible coach.

:177692: That is completely false as in a false fictional narrative. Just this week Pete Carroll reiterated, once again, that scouting and personal teams run the draft and free agent acquisitions. The head coach, general manager, coaching staff, scouting staff and organization as a whole have been consist in that disclosure for years. Scouting and personnel ask for and receive coaching input. But they make the choices and sign players ..... not the coaches. This false made up narrative that coaches handpick draft choices is a myth. The propagation of such false myths is a huge disservice.

The point is that Cable has significant input on the players chosen. Whether he signs the players or not is immaterial. His unit has been the weakest part of the Seahawks on a consistent basis. There has not been a significant improvement but a regression each year. Here's a quote from PC from an article regarding their draft and FA acquisition philosophy.

"We’re drafting for us and what we want," Carroll said. "We don’t evaluate for the league. We don’t evaluate for the guys on ESPN and what they think. We evaluate guys on how they fit our club and our style of coaching and play. And so we have to be connected in our mentality and our approach and our vision on how we see guys."

For the full article, here's the link - http://www.espn.com/blog/seattle-se...he-seahawks-philosophy-on-drafting-exceptions.

 

[Jville]

Give me a break. Arizona was on their 7th different combination of OL. Yet somehow they were able to give Palmer a pocket to throw from. Yet our genius can't coach up our starter? The pass blocking has been atrocious since 2013 and it's time people take off their rose colored glasses.

Glowinski - 4th round pick
Britt - 2nd round pick
Ifedi - 1st round pick

All have sucked except Britt (on his 3rd different position) and all were handpicked by Cable. At some point people will need to admit he has a terrible eye for talent along with being a terrible coach.

:177692: That is completely false as in a false fictional narrative. Just this week Pete Carroll reiterated, once again, that scouting and personal teams run the draft and free agent acquisitions. The head coach, general manager, coaching staff, scouting staff and organization as a whole have been consist in that disclosure for years. Scouting and personnel ask for and receive coaching input. But they make the choices and sign players ..... not the coaches. This false made up narrative that coaches handpick draft choices is a myth. The propagation of such false myths is a huge disservice.

The point is that Cable has significant input on the players chosen. Whether he signs the players or not is immaterial. His unit has been the weakest part of the Seahawks on a consistent basis. There has not been a significant improvement but a regression each year. Here's a quote from PC from an article regarding their draft and FA acquisition philosophy.

"We’re drafting for us and what we want," Carroll said. "We don’t evaluate for the league. We don’t evaluate for the guys on ESPN and what they think. We evaluate guys on how they fit our club and our style of coaching and play. And so we have to be connected in our mentality and our approach and our vision on how we see guys."

For the full article, here's the link - http://www.espn.com/blog/seattle-se...he-seahawks-philosophy-on-drafting-exceptions.

I'm familiar with that article and others that describe how the Seahawks work together in building the team. They, along with direct statements from Seahawk officials, are what expose false myths about Seahawk operations. The propagation of false narratives and myths are a huge disservice.

To repeat ...... "Scouting and personnel teams ask for and receive coaching input. But they make the choices and sign players ..... not the coaches" .......... and that is a highly material distinction.

 

[LolaRox]

It may not be his job to 'turn in the card', but Cable is significantly involved in the process. This year there was quite a bit of talk about his private workout with Ifedi and John saying he and Pete wouldn't have been able to leave without Joey Hunt (or something like that) insinuating that he was a Cable must have.

Even if you believe these are not Cable's guys, he is still responsible for their development and coaching them up, which he hasn't done.

http://www.fieldgulls.com/seahawks-anal ... -tom-cable

From the article linked above -
While player acquisition is generally the responsibility of a team's front office, Cable is believed to be highly involved in the process. John Schneider explained Cable's involvement like this:

"We're not going to draft a guy [Cable] doesn't like," Schneider said. "He doesn't have the final say, but we would never draft somebody he doesn't think could play. You are totally spinning your wheels there."

 

[Grahamhawker]

I think there are some assumptions being made here, both ways perhaps, regarding draft picks/FAs.

Has Cable not said more than once- that they were exactly the guys he wanted?

I have a hard time believing that personnel says, 'Here's a defensive tackle for you, Tom, make it work!'

In the same article PC clearly states, "I think it’s integrally important that the football coach is connected to the process."

What does that mean? Why would the coaching staff NOT have final say on all acquisitions? And is there better evidence than PC speak? So much of the inner workings we're just not privy to. Seems like anything we conclude is a guess at best.

 

[Jville]

Actual selections are prospects Cable was on board with because he is part of the process. However, actual selections, in any given year, are a subset of draft board candidates. Schneider plays a crucial role on draft day in orchestrating a selection process that seeks to maximize their selection returns and produce the best draft class. There is some give and take but it is the scouts that go out and find and grade the prospects presented to coaches. It is a collective effort. They are all In it together. And that is of material significance.

 

[hawkfan68]

Actual selections are prospects Cable was on board with because he is part of the process. However, actual selections, in any given year, are a subset of draft board candidates. Schneider plays a crucial role on draft day in orchestrating a selection process that seeks to maximize their selection returns and produce the best draft class. There is some give and take but it is the scouts that go out and find and grade the prospects presented to coaches. It is a collective effort. They are all In it together. And that is of material significance.

The fact is that it's a failed process and Cable is and has been a significant part of it. The process has shown more regression rather than improvement year to year. Even during their Superbowl runs the weakest part of the team was the OL. The OL has been the weakest unit since 2011. Also connected with when Cable took over. He got by because Lynch and Wilson managed to cover up the deficiencies. Now that Lynch is no longer here, the problems are even more exposed. A weak unit has gotten more weaker. . The Seahawks are still trying to teach their starting OL how to block. Like they were in the offseason and preseason. They haven't moved past square one in that respect and it's week 17 of the season. The real disservice is the shoddy OL that is run out there week after week and year after year.

 

[sdog1981]

Actual selections are prospects Cable was on board with because he is part of the process. However, actual selections, in any given year, are a subset of draft board candidates. Schneider plays a crucial role on draft day in orchestrating a selection process that seeks to maximize their selection returns and produce the best draft class. There is some give and take but it is the scouts that go out and find and grade the prospects presented to coaches. It is a collective effort. They are all In it together. And that is of material significance.

The fact is that it's a failed process and Cable is and has been a significant part of it. The process has shown more regression rather than improvement year to year. Even during their Superbowl runs the weakest part of the team was the OL. The OL has been the weakest unit since 2011. Also connected with when Cable took over. He got by because Lynch and Wilson managed to cover up the deficiencies. Now that Lynch is no longer here, the problems are even more exposed. A weak unit has gotten more weaker. . The Seahawks are still trying to teach their starting OL how to block. Like they were in the offseason and preseason. They haven't moved past square one in that respect and it's week 17 of the season. The real disservice is the shoddy OL that is run out there week after week and year after year.

So are people now trying to say that JS drafts players out of spite? Do they think Cable asks them to draft player X and JS drafts player Y instead? I don't think a GM who can find players like KJ, Richard, Kam, Doug and Bennett is somehow unable to figure out what is needed on the Oline. Remember last season when out of the blue Cable started Drew Nowak? The line looked like garbage. Then he cut Nowak and put back in Patrick Lewis and the line looked average. Those are the kind of ideas that Cable has.

 

[Jville]

Actual selections are prospects Cable was on board with because he is part of the process. However, actual selections, in any given year, are a subset of draft board candidates. Schneider plays a crucial role on draft day in orchestrating a selection process that seeks to maximize their selection returns and produce the best draft class. There is some give and take but it is the scouts that go out and find and grade the prospects presented to coaches. It is a collective effort. They are all In it together. And that is of material significance.

The fact is that it's a failed process and Cable is and has been a significant part of it. The process has shown more regression rather than improvement year to year. Even during their Superbowl runs the weakest part of the team was the OL. The OL has been the weakest unit since 2011. Also connected with when Cable took over. He got by because Lynch and Wilson managed to cover up the deficiencies. Now that Lynch is no longer here, the problems are even more exposed. A weak unit has gotten more weaker. . The Seahawks are still trying to teach their starting OL how to block. Like they were in the offseason and preseason. They haven't moved past square one in that respect and it's week 17 of the season. The real disservice is the shoddy OL that is run out there week after week and year after year.

Well there is that and there is also the contrasting view that the failing lies with the fans incomplete understanding and comprehension of the Seahawk process and state of the NFL.

In any case, there is still no justification for propagating myths.

 

[Seafan]

The Hawks compensated for last year's terrible OL with play calling. They aren't trying to this season, perhaps DB/PC don't think RW is up to it. The team needs RW to be great and he hasn't been able to carry the offense. The running game hasn't been available but the biggest blow to this team is the loss of Earl.

 

[CodeWarrior]

Well there is that and there is also the contrasting view that the failing lies with the fans incomplete understanding and comprehension of the Seahawk process and state of the NFL.

In any case, there is still no justification for propagating myths.

What is the Seahawk process in regards to the OL? Please explain.

 

[Jville]

John Schneider, Pete Carroll, Tom Cable, Darrell Bevell, Scott Fitterer, and Trent Kirchner have all addressed talent scouting, acquisition and development as the years have gone by. And, it's all archieved for those who haven't followed along. It's not like they have withheld how they operate as some dark secret. They have really been very open and forth coming about much of their process and how they operate.

 

[CodeWarrior]

John Schneider, Pete Carroll, Tom Cable, Darrell Bevell, Scott Fitterer, and Trent Kirchner have all addressed talent scouting, acquisition and development as the years have gone by. And, it's all archieved for those who haven't followed along. It's not like they have withheld how they operate as some dark secret. They have really been very open and forth coming about much of their process and how they operate.

Well, yes, teamwork is how any organization operates. What people are taking increasing issue with is the deteriorating performance. Their approach has yielded results that are, for lack of a more accute term, unacceptable. Do you disagree?

 

[mrt144]

Well there is that and there is also the contrasting view that the failing lies with the fans incomplete understanding and comprehension of the Seahawk process and state of the NFL.

In any case, there is still no justification for propagating myths.

What is the Seahawk process in regards to the OL? Please explain.

The only myths about the OL are the wolf tickets Tom Cable is selling.

 

[Jville]

John Schneider, Pete Carroll, Tom Cable, Darrell Bevell, Scott Fitterer, and Trent Kirchner have all addressed talent scouting, acquisition and development as the years have gone by. And, it's all archieved for those who haven't followed along. It's not like they have withheld how they operate as some dark secret. They have really been very open and forth coming about much of their process and how they operate.

Well, yes, teamwork is how any organization operates. What people are taking increasing issue with is the deteriorating performance. Their approach has yielded results that are, for lack of a more accute term, unacceptable. Do you disagree?

They suffered too much attrition too quickly to cover the talent and chemistry losses of the past two years. I view much of that as a product of circumstances outside of the control of all of the people listed above.

Simultaneously, the replacements they are finding are so raw that they haven't been able to get up to speed quickly enough to provide reliable blocking. They have starters that have struggled to settle in at new positions within the span of a single season.

I am of the opinion that there is and has been a persistent shortage of NFL ready linemen. And, the NFL has yet to address that problem. Evidence that the shortage extends down into the college level is reflected In a recently published story of Rees Odhiambo. This years struggle with the offensive line was not a surprise for this fan. Their process hasn't failed. But it is taking longer to coach these kids up because of limitations on practice time at both the college and pro levels. These developmental delays are a product of todays practice rules and not a signal of problems with team programs.

This young nucleus of linemen has a lot of upside. Selective retention will become key in an era when development takes longer. So I think the changes we have seen is a product the practice restrictions and shortage of NFL ready prospects ..... resulting in longer development times. They got caught short on experience and chemistry this year. That's what so many are upset about.

For me, it is not a matter of acceptance so much as it is a matter of understanding what has transpired.