Moffitt trade voided: Update, traded to Denver instead.

[Sarlacc83]

This has to be one of the strangest turns of events. But at least Moffitt will (hopefully) get to go to a winning organization now. I can't imagine what he's going to do the first time Manning yells at him, though. Probably laugh?

 

[FlyingGreg]

This has to be one of the strangest turns of events. But at least Moffitt will (hopefully) get to go to a winning organization now. I can't imagine what he's going to do the first time Manning yells at him, though. Probably laugh?

If I'm Moffitt, I'm ecstatic to be going to Denver instead of Cleveland.

 

[Jville]

Jesse Williams not panning out for you guys??

The unverified wisper word I recall was arthritic ... as in arthritic knee.

eeks.

That sucks. Still...he was a risky pick to begin with because of the knee. That's the only reason he was there to be drafted in that spot to begin with.

Sometimes you win with those and some times you lose. Was probably worth the risk.

Guys have played on arthritic knees. However, it does limit how many years they can play. Currently, Jesse plays too high and needs additional coaching.

 

[jlwaters1]

Now Moffitt's a DENVER BRONCO. Amazing. Seattle get's a big DT.

 

[Marvin49]

ok....let me restate....

My point was that its a pick you make late in a draft because it could hit big or flame out. You make that pick late in a draft because taking the player is a risk. The 49ers did the same with Marcus Lattimore.

It isn't a critcism. Its what you do to remain a really good team.

Yes, for sure - and why he was available in the 5th round. Just be careful using the word "risky" and "5th rounder" in the same sentence.

I didn't say 5th rounder.

 

[Starrman44]

Well, I actually feel better about this trade. I am glad he got to go to Denver instead of going to Cleveland. Hope it works out. I also was hoping that big #80 tight end was going to be traded here when I saw it was Denver. Man, he looked good. Isn't he from Portland State (ex basketball player or something). I would give them Fells straight up for him, lol.

 

[Marvin49]

The unverified wisper word I recall was arthritic ... as in arthritic knee.

eeks.

That sucks. Still...he was a risky pick to begin with because of the knee. That's the only reason he was there to be drafted in that spot to begin with.

Sometimes you win with those and some times you lose. Was probably worth the risk.

Guys have played on arthritic knees. However, it does limit how many years they can play. Currently, Jesse plays too high and needs additional coaching.

I kinda always thought he looked really top heavy. Seemed to work at Alabama tho.

 

[FlyingGreg]

ok....let me restate....

My point was that its a pick you make late in a draft because it could hit big or flame out. You make that pick late in a draft because taking the player is a risk. The 49ers did the same with Marcus Lattimore.

It isn't a critcism. Its what you do to remain a really good team.

Yes, for sure - and why he was available in the 5th round. Just be careful using the word "risky" and "5th rounder" in the same sentence.

I didn't say 5th rounder.

No, you just said risky - which is wrong. Just embrace it, lol. I added the 5th round piece to illustrate the fallacy of calling it risky.

 

[Throwdown]

To me he's Red Bryant part 2, top heavy, struggles with getting leverage. But for Red it was because he was so much taller than everyone else in those trenches.

 

[Jville]

Why the heck would there be a picture of him suited up in pads if he never passed the physical?

I think some teams use the failed physical as an option out tool when they change their mind. This seems to me to be a Cleveland exercise in negotiating in bad faith. However, Cleveland isn't the only one that indulges in that tactic. Player agents keep track of such things and it can have an impact on future events. Moffit is better off in Denver.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

Well this whole is interesting. Still don't understand how a player can fail a physical with one team and than quickly pass one with another. Either way I wish John the best and hope the guy we get turns into something positive for us.

Because each organization has different parameters for their physicals just like in the draft.

 

[Marvin49]

Yes, for sure - and why he was available in the 5th round. Just be careful using the word "risky" and "5th rounder" in the same sentence.

I didn't say 5th rounder.

No, you just said risky - which is wrong. Just embrace it, lol. I added the 5th round piece to illustrate the fallacy of calling it risky.

To quote the Princess Bride...

"You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means".

Choosing Jesse....or Marcus Lattimore or Tank Carradine for that matter...is a risk regardless of where you draft them. You risk losing little because you have given up a lower value pick, but it's a risk. Its a calculated risk and in these cases the possible reward justifies the risk, but it's a risk nonetheless.

At this point tho, we are simply arguing english. We are saying the same thing a different way.

 

[jammerhawk]

Something smells and it's Cleveland's position here.

Brian Sanford may become available with the final cuts anyways.

 

[FlyingGreg]

To quote the Princess Bride...

"You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means".

Choosing Jesse....or Marcus Lattimore or Tank Carradine for that matter...is a risk regardless of where you draft them. You risk losing little because you have given up a lower value pick, but it's a risk. Its a calculated risk and in these cases the possible reward justifies the risk, but it's a risk nonetheless.

At this point tho, we are simply arguing english. We are saying the same thing a different way.

I just think we see it differently. What's the "risk"? If we had traded for Williams, I would agree it's a risk. But I don't put a lot of value on a 5th round pick...so IMO, there's no risk. It is high reward, however - if they blossom, like Richard Sherman.

Anyways, I'll stop hijacking this thread.

 

[kearly]

Williams allegedly has battled knee soreness this month, but when I watch him I don't see a good player battling through injury. I see a fast moving healthy looking player with bad technique.

Williams has been a disappointment, but I wouldn't write his career epitaph just yet. Even if he is released, I bet we'll see him back on the roster in the future, unless another team grabs him.

I don't know anything about this new guy from Denver, but if he's an above average run defender, Seattle got a nice return. We don't have any real depth there. Obviously, Williams does not look the part yet. Hill anchors poorly and has more of a 3-tech skillset. McDaniel is lanky (6'7") and would probably struggle with leverage. Red Bryant is our 5-tech. Clinton McDonald is solid as a run defender, but does he make the roster? Maybe the new and improved Jaye Howard (talk about irony)? If this new guy is a better run defender than McDonald and McDaniel, I think he's got a shot to make the team.

 

[Jville]

Here's an interesting twist, apparently Moffitt asked for a trade earlier this spring:

He was losing a training camp battle for the right guard job with J.R. Sweezy this summer. He said he asked in the spring to be traded, but was told no.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.s ... cart_river

From the article >>>

He was losing a training camp battle for the right guard job with J.R. Sweezy this summer. He said he asked in the spring to be traded, but was told no.

“I was a little shocked,'' he said of the trade. “I didn't see it coming, but then I was excited. I thought I had been playing very good football. I think I'm in the best football shape I've been in. I'm excited to be here, where I think it's a better opportunity.''

I don't know why he was shocked. The quote I remember from previous years was "Seattle is not a prison". The Seahawks want those who want to be in Seattle.

 

[Shadowhawk]

Williams allegedly has battled knee soreness this month, but when I watch him I don't see a good player battling through injury. I see a fast moving healthy looking player with bad technique.

Williams has been a disappointment, but I wouldn't write his career epitaph just yet. Even if he is released, I bet we'll see him back on the roster in the future, unless another team grabs him.

Defensive tackle isn't exactly the easiest position for a rookie to come into the league and look good right out of the blocks, especially if (which I believe to be the case) said rookie got by in college by power and talent rather than technique. I doubt the team is giving up on Williams long term, but it seems pretty obvious that they are looking for an upgrade this year.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

As far as a place to live, talk about a huge uprade. My pops lived in denver for a long time, awesome city. Cleveland is a hole, went there for the road game a few years back. Can't fathom living there.

 

[Hawkscanner]

This has to be one of the strangest turns of events. But at least Moffitt will (hopefully) get to go to a winning organization now. I can't imagine what he's going to do the first time Manning yells at him, though. Probably laugh?

Hmmm ... kind of reminds me a bit of when Bill Bavasi traded Carlos Guillen to the Cleveland Indians for a then 36 year old Omar Vizquel prior to the 2004 Season. I remember there being quite a public outcry amongst the M's fanbase ... and then mysteriously somehow Vizquel fails his physical immediately thereafter.

Now to be completely fair, Vizquel was coming off a season in which he'd had 2 knee surgeries ... BUT in 2004 Omar went on to hit .294 ... had 165 hits ... scored 82 runs ... had a .741 OPS ... and stole 19 bases for the Indians. IMO that "failed physical" was merely a PR move by Bavasi in an attempt to save face. As far as this situation with Moffitt and the Browns is concerned ... I have no idea what to make of it. Obviously the Broncos doctors didn't seem to have any real concerns.

 

[Osprey]

Think Denver will try Moffitt at center? Aren't they weak there?