Mike needs more time

[Maelstrom787]

It's how I read your constant Geno deflection. That's all. You see it how you want to, and I see it how I want to.
When DK has to calm down your "leader" on the sidelines, that's saying something about his leadership.

Dude, what the hell are you talking about?

You're just arguing with yourself. You're making things up. I'm not saying any of them.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Whatever you say. Cool. Not that important. Save the lecture for someone else.
As usual, you can't admit your savior geNO is a part of the problem. It's not just the coaching.

 

[CallMeADawg]

Fans in here need to step up their own consistency. The highs and lows based on the win/loss results are extreme. Far more than what anyone would consider rational.

The waters are going to be choppy all season. I fully expect that the outcome will be that they are at or above .500 and need another draft and offseason to really start taking big strides.

If they exceed those expectations, great! If not, that’s okay too. We made a ton of changes this offseason and things need time to come together after that.

Relax people!

 

[jeremiah]

Lol. How people are talking about getting rid of him already is just amazing. The team he inherited was average with some areas being awful. Give the guy the benefit of the doubt and let him fleece the roster next season and rebuild. The Oline is one of the worst ever assembled and the defense has holes everywhere.

It's going to take some time. How did some not see this?

We traded with the Giants for a DT, gave away the future to stop the run...maybe. BIG MISTAKE... This team needs to tank, build a D over 2-4 years, while gradually improving into the .500 win percentage, then find that golden nugget a QB with a rocket arm, roller skates on his feet and a big smile for the crowd. THAT is how a team is built. How long did it take Detroit to get where it is today? How about the Bills, the Redskins, even the flippin Chiefs. They all sucked for a long time after their glory days. Miami is still sucking, Panthers were good, then sucked, and now blow.

Patience and enjoy the ride. Now get to stockpiling young prospects, and sell the rest.

 

[cymatica]

If we're firing Carroll, it would have to be for a better coach.

If Carroll went 9-8 with this squad twice despite actively terrible OC/DC choices... I mean..

Mac's got a lot to live up to. Carroll made the playoffs with a roster that was just as talented, maybe slightly less so.

I'm not expecting a Super Bowl performance. I do need to see signs that something is actually being built, though. And, yes, to Soulfish's point - I am a fan who is not inside of the team. I cannot say for sure what's happening in there, so my statements are aimed toward "if people in the building determine that nothing is being built, then I would be in agreement with those people if they decided to move a different direction."

A lot to live up to? 9-8 and backing into the playoffs once then showing they didn't belong is hardly anything to live up to. Mike was also handed one of the worst olines and a bad front 7

 

[Maelstrom787]

A lot to live up to? 9-8 and backing into the playoffs once then showing they didn't belong is hardly anything to live up to. Mike was also handed one of the worst olines and a bad front 7

Yeah. He has to live up to surpassing that, with largely the same roster.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Whatever you say. Cool. Not that important. Save the lecture for someone else.
As usual, you can't admit your savior geNO is a part of the problem. It's not just the coaching.

This is pathetic. Genuinely. Not even close to what the thread is about, and regardless, I stated that if he IS becoming a problem that it still points to coaching issues.

That is not the same as saying he's faultless, and you're a straight up liar if you're trying to claim it is.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Ok, whatever you say.

 

[Ozzy]

I think its fair to question Geno's leadership a little bit. I also think we were spoiled by Russ in this regard as he never quit, was always trying to pump guys up even if we were down 30. In yesterdays game (and in other games) it seems like he sits and pouts on the sidelines. Other people close to the team have mentioned this as well. I think Brock asked why a couple of weeks ago Geno was pouting and Howell was going up and down the bench talking to people, talking to DK etc. Then you have the sideline issue where he was frustrated(and rightfully so honestly) and threw the ball at the opposing team. It's just not something you want to see or expect from the starting QB and/or a 12 year vet who is the leader of the your team. I hate bringing this stuff up because you're instantly labeled a hater if you are critical but whatever, I think its a valid issue to bring up. It's also entirely possible we're not getting the whole picture and if we were in the building we would see he's better in this regard than we think.

 

[TwistedHusky]

It would be ridiculous to expect the team should be a playoff contender in Year 3.

But it should be improving and have a pathway to success. If it isn't doing that, the coach needs to go. 3 years is enough time, rebuild or no.

It's likely we will have to cycle through a few coaches every 3 or so years until we can find a winner. The math is against us. But if you want to build another top team for a decade, that's what you have to do.

Any coach that cannot produce consistent improvement after 3 years likely won't given another 3.

 

[hawkfan68]

It's how I read your constant Geno deflection. That's all. You see it how you want to, and I see it how I want to.
When DK has to calm down your "leader" on the sidelines, that's saying something about his leadership.

Geno may be a good QB and a good person but a good leader he is not. That has been evident throughout his career even these years he's been playing the best of his career with the Seahawks. He doesn't lead well. Bottom line. There are QBs who when everything around them is falling apart still take their team on their back and will them to win. Geno isn't that type of player. He's as dysfunctional as those players around him.

 

[cymatica]

Yeah. He has to live up to surpassing that, with largely the same roster.

No he doesn't. He's bringing in a completely new system on both sides of the ball and inherited a team that completely failed to build up the trenches, and as a rookie head coach.

He needs a few years to build the team in his vision before being forced to live up to unrealistic expectations

 

[TwilightError]

The reason Geno pouts and throws temper tantrums is This. That is not to say Pete would be a better coach than Mike for this team right now but Pete knew how to handle Geno in order to get the best out of him. Geno probably does not have that type of thing right now.

Also, Pete too had horrible shameful losses in his first couple of seasons. 2010 3-33 against Raiders and 7-41 against Giants. 2011 0-24 against Steelers. It happens. What is interesting now is to see how Mike handles this situation. Can he get the team to work after this horrible devastation?

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Has Geno ever been a true leader? Serious question. He has been known as a hot head for much of his career. Him pouting and freaking out on the sidelines isn't really that much of a shock.

 

[Tech Worlds]

Mcdonald doesn't seam to have solutions for their shortcomings. He just repeats the same answers every week.

Maybe instead of asking about the problems with the team the media should ask him just what they are doing well and what have they improved on as the season has progressed.

Something tells me that he won't have much of an answer. That is in fact quite telling about the direction of this team.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Pete said the same thing every week too. Its coach speak. It will never change. Bill B. was a robot at his pressers. He did just fine.
Coach Mike doesn't have to be who WE want him to be with the media and in pressers and/or interviews. To expect him to be something he is not...... just unrealistic.
It's not telling at all, imo. He's not a rah rah guy. Some coaches are just plain boring in interviews or press conferences. Big deal.

 

[Streamhawk]

This team isn't lost. It's still trying to find it's identity. The shadow of PC, the shadow of LOB, whatever you want to call it... This team is getting a new identity and it's going to take a while to get that rolling. I bet the Hawks have some of that identity after the bye week and down the stretch.

an identity would be great after the bye week. I want to see more out of both lines; I expect that to be a big focus this practice week. We cannot lose, or get bullied by, the next two divisional opponents. Also it's time for Grubb to get creative! I noticed things were going kind of well in the space snap drive, though not much on the ground. He needs to work on schemes to build running lanes for K9, then trigger the play action.

 

[Tech Worlds]

Pete said the same thing every week too. Its coach speak. It will never change. Bill B. was a robot at his pressers. He did just fine.
Coach Mike doesn't have to be who WE want him to be with the media and in pressers and/or interviews. To expect him to be something he is not...... just unrealistic.
It's not telling at all, imo. He's not a rah rah guy. Some coaches are just plain boring in interviews or press conferences. Big deal.

Wasn't my point

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Ok. I guess I read it wrong then. I just don't get the correlation between how he talks in a press conference somehow equaling it being telling on this team or its future. That's all.

 

[hawks85]

Lol. How people are talking about getting rid of him already is just amazing. The team he inherited was average with some areas being awful. Give the guy the benefit of the doubt and let him fleece the roster next season and rebuild. The Oline is one of the worst ever assembled and the defense has holes everywhere.

It's going to take some time. How did some not see this?

Yup. Whether you guys think so or not or believe it or not, Mike inherited Pete's team with Pete's players running Pete's shitty defensive scheme. Mike comes in with his defense and it doesn't fit at all because he has the wrong players to run efficiently and consistently. Slice it up anyway you want I don't give a shit, it's all facts. Mike will get this thing rolling at some point.