Macdonald instant post game presser

[James in PA]

Ok…didn’t we miss an extra point earlier? I liked the call, just not the play…

Yep, I was fine with going for it. But the play call SUCKED. Depending on this garbage line to get ANY push? What s joke. Roll Geno out or something. So moronic.

 

[Hawkpower]

Mac is setting Grubb up to take the fall and you can tell
He's been easing his way into it all year
Making passive aggressive comments a few times about how we aren't running the ball enough
Then Grubb comes out (predictably) and force feeds the run in the following game
Getting the feeling there is a rift there. His comments tonight seem to lean in that direction again
And Grubb does deserve criticism. But Mike can't skirt his own shortcomings if he's going to learn and grow on the job

 

[keasley45]

He’s in over his head. He seems like a guy like PC who took a job he wasn’t ready for, got fired, and then needed to figure out who he is. Probably doesn’t help that his wife is pregnant and all that stress.

Agree. He might have the talent to be a keeper but his admission last week that he was making things too complex... its week 8!

And then at the same time implying that its the player's fault.

I think the fact that him wising up and changing his approach yielded such a vast improvememnt tells you all you need to know about why the D was struggling.

Same reason it was struggling under Pete and Hurtt - the message wasnt effective and the players were confused because Hurtt and Co werent adequately teaching it. And Hurtt started doing the same passive BS in pressers when thing went south and stayed there.

At least Mike seems to know his football xs and os. But im more convinced now than ever that he does not have a tight grip on his coaching staff and that he's thinking way too much.

Like the last play... man coverage with no Safety help? Everyone in the league knows Stafford can still kill you with his arm. You've been stopping the run pretty well all game without safeties in the box and rather than playing to not give away the big play with the Rams ALREADY in FG range, you push all your chips in on stopping the run with 8 and leave your corner on an island???

First he gave the momentum and potential lead away with the 4th down call in OT. Then he called a dumb dedense to lose the game.

Say what you want about Geno. He gave chances to win the game away but still then went ahead and tied it on 3 rediculous throws.

Mac took that effort, as up and down as it was and threw it in the trash.

 

[Appyhawk]

We did have a blocked/tipped XP, but that was Myers first missed XP after making 82 consecutive, so you know...

You are tracking the wrong kicker. Myer missed multiple extra point kick last year. More than one is a single game. He HAS produced record stretches of FG conversions though. And I think he has kicked more than one farther than 60 yards out, so there's that.

EDIT: I could be mistaken about the 82 in a row. We finished the year strong last year and might have piled up a bunch of TDs to go with those this year so he may have hit that many in a row. But according to my memory he didn't.

 

[Hawkpower]

You are tracking the wrong kicker. Myer missed multiple extra point kick last year. More than one is a single game. He HAS produced record stretches of FG conversions though. And I think he has kicked more than one farther than 60 yards out, so there's that.

They said on the broadcast it was his first in that many tries
They could have been wrong of course, but it was stated

 

[HawkoTuesday]

Ehh. O-line is bottom of the barrel. What'd ya expect?

 

[DarkVictory23]

You are tracking the wrong kicker. Myer missed multiple extra point kick last year. More than one is a single game. He HAS produced record stretches of FG conversions though. And I think he has kicked more than one farther than 60 yards out, so there's that.

Ok, I was quoting the announcers, not tracking it myself, so my bad if wrong.

I still stand on the call to kick it, though.

 

[GemCity]

Ok…didn’t we miss an extra point earlier? I liked the call, just not the play…

We certainly did.

I hear you on the call. IMO, we’ve struggled with short yardage so much that I would’ve preferred to see PA or a FG.

That’s heavily influenced by what I consider to be the worst O-line in the league.

 

[hedgehawk]

Yes.

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I hate you

 

[Ozzy]

Yeah i forgot about the missed extra point and we’ve had other stuff too. Kicking game hasn’t been great.

You have to get half a yard in two plays. The offense has been struggling and this could’ve set them up moving forward as well. Every analytics chart would say go for it too. They didn’t lose because they didn’t kick the field goal. The lost because Geno was bad, the line sucks, woolen could’ve had a pick but literally moved out of the way for the rams receiver and I could go on and on.

 

[GemCity]

I hate you

I actually clicked it myself…just in case it led to some weird P r 0 n

 

[hedgehawk]

Agree. He might have the talent to be a keeper but his admission last week that he was making things too complex... its week 8!

And then at the same time implying that its the player's fault.

I think the fact that him wising up and changing his approach yielded such a vast improvememnt tells you all you need to know about why the D was struggling.

Same reason it was struggling under Pete and Hurtt - the message wasnt effective and the players were confused because Hurtt and Co werent adequately teaching it. And Hurtt started doing the same passive BS in pressers when thing went south and stayed there.

At least Mike seems to know his football xs and os. But im more convinced now than ever that he does not have a tight grip on his coaching staff and that he's thinking way too much.

Like the last play... man coverage with no Safety help? Everyone in the league knows Stafford can still kill you with his arm. You've been stopping the run pretty well all game without safeties in the box and rather than playing to not give away the big play with the Rams ALREADY in FG range, you push all your chips in on stopping the run with 8 and leave your corner on an island???

First he gave the momentum and potential lead away with the 4th down call in OT. Then he called a dumb dedense to lose the game.

Say what you want about Geno. He gave chances to win the game away but still then went ahead and tied it on 3 rediculous throws.

Mac took that effort, as up and down as it was and threw it in the trash.

I personally think he’s immature, not so as a person so much, but some, and definitely as a coach. You can’t blame others for your mistakes. You put them into the position to fail. It’s like leadership 101.

 

[keasley45]

Yeah i forgot about the missed extra point and we’ve had other stuff too. Kicking game hasn’t been great.

You have to get half a yard in two plays. The offense has been struggling and this could’ve set them up moving forward as well. Every analytics chart would say go for it too. They didn’t lose because they didn’t kick the field goal. The lost because Geno was bad, the line sucks, woolen could’ve had a pick but literally moved out of the way for the rams receiver and I could go on and on.

Bro. Seriously? Geno threw three picks and gave away the lead. Then threw the TD to tie it... and threw two rediculous passes in OT to put us in position to win it.

You dont intentionally give away an opportunity to take the lead in OT. If your defense is playing so well, spot them 3 and let them play with their hair on fire.

And thats to say nothing for the boneheaded call on the last play. Dropping 8 in the box and not giving your corner help over the top against Stafford with the game on the line.

The QB gave the lead away and made amends. Anyone in the league... player or coach woukd tell you... yeah, we madr msitakes but the gamr was their to win.

We won the toss, drove down the field. SHOULD have taken the lead and then just played to keep the Rams out of the endzone and better, out of a FG.

Instead, DESPITE almost giving the game away, we claw back and are in position to win it... and our coach in 2 decisions, hands it to the Rams anyway.

 

[DarkVictory23]

Agree. He might have the talent to be a keeper but his admission last week that he was making things too complex... its week 8!

And then at the same time implying that its the player's fault.

I think the fact that him wising up and changing his approach yielded such a vast improvememnt tells you all you need to know about why the D was struggling.

Same reason it was struggling under Pete and Hurtt - the message wasnt effective and the players were confused because Hurtt and Co werent adequately teaching it. And Hurtt started doing the same passive BS in pressers when thing went south and stayed there.

At least Mike seems to know his football xs and os. But im more convinced now than ever that he does not have a tight grip on his coaching staff and that he's thinking way too much.

Like the last play... man coverage with no Safety help? Everyone in the league knows Stafford can still kill you with his arm. You've been stopping the run pretty well all game without safeties in the box and rather than playing to not give away the big play with the Rams ALREADY in FG range, you push all your chips in on stopping the run with 8 and leave your corner on an island???

First he gave the momentum and potential lead away with the 4th down call in OT. Then he called a dumb dedense to lose the game.

Say what you want about Geno. He gave chances to win the game away but still then went ahead and tied it on 3 rediculous throws.

Mac took that effort, as up and down as it was and threw it in the trash.

I will reiterate something I said in a different thread here: We are better than our record. The way our defense showed up today just solidified that in my mind.

We have one utterly abysmal failure of an offensive line--but we have proven we can overcome that with the players we have before. Ernest Jones had this defense looking like a different unit this game. Our special teams actually balled out.

Where we are weakest (outside of OL) is our coaching staff. And is it shocking for a first year HC/OC/DC to have problems? No, it's not. I get it, 100%.

But just because I understand it doesn't mean it's not very, very frustrating. And there is nothing more easy to fix than a head coach to just decide he's going to make decisions to stop trying to get the win the way he wants and instead just help his team be in easier situations.

 

[Natethegreat]

If Mcdonald doesn't show emotion he needs to be fired. If he shows some irritation he is throwing his OC under the bus.
I'm glad the owner and GM do not read this board or react in such knee jerk reactions.

 

[Hawkpower]

Yeah i forgot about the missed extra point and we’ve had other stuff too. Kicking game hasn’t been great.

You have to get half a yard in two plays. The offense has been struggling and this could’ve set them up moving forward as well. Every analytics chart would say go for it too. They didn’t lose because they didn’t kick the field goal. The lost because Geno was bad, the line sucks, woolen could’ve had a pick but literally moved out of the way for the rams receiver and I could go on and on.

Analytics have to be balanced with the reality of the situation. You can't hide behind analytics just because "the chart says" and yet every coach does this now.

They lost because of all you mentioned AND because their head coach made a poor decision.

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

BS.

He shoukd have kicked the damn FG.best way to get momentum is to comeback and win a game in OT that you should have lost.

Kick the FG and let your D play free knowing they can give up 3 and still be in it.

Stipidest decision i can recall in a long long time. And Pete made his share of dumb ones. Including losing a game to the Rams because he called a TO just before they were about to kick a FG to close a lead we had. The TO gave McVay a chance to rethink the decision, he puts his offense back on the field and they score a TD after converting on 4th, after which we lost the game.

I also wanted the FG…

 

[keasley45]

I personally think he’s immature, not so as a person so much, but some, and definitely as a coach. You can’t blame others for your mistakes. You put them into the position to fail. It’s like leadership 101.

He's definitley pushing blame. And hell, it may be that itsvall warranted when it comes to Grubb and other assistants... and this may all be a slow to boil reactiom that is actually carrying over from the last several weeks of stupiditude. Because for him to be all passive aggressive in pointing the finger and NOT acknowledge his two game losing blunders...

It feels like he is scrambling to shed responsibility. Like i said, his anger may be warranted and just now getting to the point its boiking over. But to let it surface in a game where the L lands at his feet as much as anyone's for the 4th down call (didnt we lose another game on an ill advised 4th down call already?) And for his call on the Rams last TD... just not a good look.

 

[Optimus25]

Yep, I was fine with going for it. But the play call SUCKED. Depending on this garbage line to get ANY push? What s joke. Roll Geno out or something. So moronic.

Welll. I don’t disagree per se i just think that 3rd should have been the roll out with a TD look and a check down outlet.

4th you just put it on the table and see who’s man enough to get 1 yard. K9 has enough wriggle it’s hard to blame a coach believing he can’t shake somehow for that.

 

[hedgehawk]

I basically train all the new drivers at my work. I have them sit in the passenger seat for two days just to watch, how we angle things. Then I tell them “it’s yours, I won’t let you crash, but I’ll give you directions and how to do something if I see it going wrong. Ask me any question if you’re confused or uncomfortable. I’ll take over if you’re nervous, until you don’t feel that way anymore.” I never blame them. I damn near hit a steal garbage can and a brick wall my first day 20 years ago. I had a good coach. “Let’s pull forward and try again.”