LOL the whiners just paid Purdy $53M a year

[SoulfishHawk]

He's 4-1 against Seattle. Until that number evens out a little I wouldn't laugh too hard .

Nah, I'm laughing. A lot.

 

[Sperrydogg]

He's 4-1 against Seattle. Until that number evens out a little I wouldn't laugh too hard .

Against geno though

 

[Sperrydogg]

Elite means absolutely the best. There can only be a couple. And also if you are elite when the game is ending and your team needs a score, you get the score. In last moments elite QBs with the ball in there hand always win. When you feel doom in the last seconds it’s cause the other teams qb is elite. When you feel like you might win at the end it’s cause your qb is not elite

 

[Sperrydogg]

They chose him over the choke artist we paid.

Timing

 

[Sperrydogg]

What is elite? An elite do things the greats can't? Like what? How to measure eliteness? Anyone care to educate ole toffee?

Can an elite QB add 7 points a game? or 3 points? ok, not points, how about 3 additional wins a season? or 2, or 1? Would the cost of having that elite cost the team a few good players? Would the sacrifice of not having those few good players cost 1 game a season? or 2? or 3?

Can one of you smart people educate ole toffee?

I really think elite has to do with being able to take over in the closing seconds. This is why I didn’t trust Geno and also why I used to really trust Russell. Do you remember early in his career when you had that feeling of when Russ gets the ball back at the end we’re gonna win? I used always believe he would get it done, but Russ eliteness got off track when the whole cooking thing started. It’s also a funny juxtaposition because Russ is elite in the last seconds but overall you wonder what the heck he’s doing. Almost like GeNo between the twenty’s=russ in the redzone

 

[toffee]

I really think elite has to do with being able to take over in the closing seconds. This is why I didn’t trust Geno and also why I used to really trust Russell. Do you remember early in his career when you had that feeling of when Russ gets the ball back at the end we’re gonna win? I used always believe he would get it done, but Russ eliteness got off track when the whole cooking thing started. It’s also a funny juxtaposition because Russ is elite in the last seconds but overall you wonder what the heck he’s doing. Almost like GeNo between the twenty’s=russ in the redzone

Nicely said!! I, however, use wins to define elitism.

 

[Sperrydogg]

That’s not saying much most of the elite QBs are in the AFC. Who is considered the best in the NFC? Jalen Hurts?, Jayden Daniels?, Jared Goff?

Eagles are the best and Jalen hurts is the best leader but not the best qb. Pure qb talent I think I like Matt stafford

 

[Sperrydogg]

Nicely said!! I, however, use wins to define elitism.

Yes, wins are seriously important to being elite. Nothing else matters but getting the W at all cost. That’s true eliteness. Sometimes eliteness isn’t visible until the last second and the greatest of the great start shining as they take the game on their back. The difference between elite and geno is between the ears and only between the ears

 

[Sperrydogg]

Nicely said!! I, however, use wins to define elitism.

I guess going down the field to score in the last seconds to take the L is prolly not elite… I think that’s called garbage

 

[Sperrydogg]

Do you have to have a Super Bowl win to be qualified to be called elite?

 

[Maulbert]

Do you have to have a Super Bowl win to be qualified to be called elite?

No, but you damn sure need more than 23 wins at least.

 

[Sperrydogg]

No, but you damn sure need more than 23 wins at least.

Can a 1st year quarterback be elite?

I’m just trying to figure out some ground rules

 

[Maulbert]

Can a 1st year quarterback be elite?

I’m just trying to figure out some ground rules

I wouldn't call Jayden Daniels elite yet. He's off to a good start, though.

 

[Trackhawk]

If there is an argument to be made that this is an elite level contract, it likely comes in the form of the guaranteed money.

There are at least six players with higher guarantees, but I don’t think that there are ten.

Top ten guaranteed dollars is a good metric for this being elite level contract.

Still, the devil is in the details. Once the contract is public, we can look at things like likely to be earned money versus not likely to be earned money, and this may give us a better sense of what the Niners really think of Purdy.

 

[Trackhawk]

Probably unnecessary disclaimer, but an elite contract in no way means the player is necessarily elite. In fact most of the elite level contracts are held by QBs that I do not consider elite.

 

[chris98251]

So would you consider Elway, Marino, Peyton Manning Elite?

Elway could not win a Super Bowl till he got a Defense and a Running game, this was after his best years as a Elite QB, went to Super Bowls but could not win one.

Marino saw one Super Bowl.

Manning on the best offense in the History of the NFL could not beat the lowly Seahawks in their Super Bowl.

 

[DTiempo81]

He's the best QB in the NFC. If he's not elite, there arent any in the conference.

Not taking into account his surrounding team, just solely his ability, he's not even the best QB in the NFC West.

 

[Rat]

Purdy does basically everything at a high level. Obviously there's division rival bias here, but I think a lot of the ripping on him is lazy analysis assuming he's not talented because he was drafted so late.

And this is the last fan base that should be stuck in the idea that a player can't be great if they have a good team around them. Look how many advantages Russell Wilson had. I'm sure any QB would have been thrilled to have had the kind of defense that only allows eight points to a record-setting offense in the Super Bowl. Fans so ardently come to Kam Chancellor's defense in any HOF talks. How many defensive "stars" have been in a more perfect situation than he was, having one of the greatest cover safteys ever to pick up his slack, in addition to Richard Sherman being a generational coverage guy, and having Bobby Wagner in front of him. Hell, none of those LOB guys were doing it on their own. That team as a whole had very few players with anything resembling the same level of success outside of Seattle.

Sometimes good players are good. Having good teammates doesn't take from that.

 

[onanygivensunday]

For those talking about elite vs. non-elite QB play in the 4th Quater or during OT... in 36 starts (40 games total), Purdy has ONE 4th Quater Comeback... and ONE Game Winning Drive.

 

[Sperrydogg]

Purdy does basically everything at a high level. Obviously there's division rival bias here, but I think a lot of the ripping on him is lazy analysis assuming he's not talented because he was drafted so late.

And this is the last fan base that should be stuck in the idea that a player can't be great if they have a good team around them. Look how many advantages Russell Wilson had. I'm sure any QB would have been thrilled to have had the kind of defense that only allows eight points to a record-setting offense in the Super Bowl. Fans so ardently come to Kam Chancellor's defense in any HOF talks. How many defensive "stars" have been in a more perfect situation than he was, having one of the greatest cover safteys ever to pick up his slack, in addition to Richard Sherman being a generational coverage guy, and having Bobby Wagner in front of him. Hell, none of those LOB guys were doing it on their own. That team as a whole had very few players with anything resembling the same level of success outside of Seattle.

Sometimes good players are good. Having good teammates doesn't take from that.

I think purdy is a very smart and capable quarterback all he lacks is that killer instinct in the last minutes of the game, but I admit my opinion is only based on the few games of his I’ve watched. I think that end of the game stuff is what sets players apart. Often the games seem even all the way but then there’s those few players who in the final minutes or seconds just refuse to lose and go off script or do it themselves and always find a way to win. I have never felt like purdy was the best player on the field and was gonna take the game in his own hands to win it. Like Mahomes or Jackson or Allen, or Larry Fitzgerald or marshawn lynch. Honestly there was a time where I would take Russell over Purdy at the end of the game.