Lets talk Manziel...

[pehawk]

Thanks. I forgot to add that players like Wilson and Manziel can also usher in a less stodgy, traditional, and restrictive NFL. Which we ought to all root for, because "it teaches creativity" is a far better defense than "it teaches teamwork" when people ask why we continue this 'barbaric' game. Society as large needs more thinkers and fewer drones.

Totally...and yet another reason to pull for him on Sunday.

And Tech, yes, I liked Kelly Jennings. I liked his technique and quickly learned he lacked ball skills.

And yes, in 2008 and 2009 I wanted Seneca to start over Hass because I thought Hass's turnovers, sacks taken, and really odd reads we're hurting the team. I wanted Seneca, with all his warts, to be a game manager. I wanted the Seneca in 2008 who went 160+ passes without an INT (IIRC). I wanted a safe QB who'd always check down.

Not sure how it relates, but, didn't you just say two weeks ago the hawks are going 8-8? Wouldn't that be a "whiff" more germane simply due to its proximity to present day?

 

[Tech Worlds]

Actually Ryan I think I said I thought they'd go 7-9.

I can be an emotional wreck days after a loss. I obviously am not one to trust when it comes to prognostication.

 

[HawkWow]

That's a great g'damn point Sarlacc. And a far superior literary explanation of my thoughts.

To that end, Manziel is coupled with as good a match at OC as possible, in Shanohan.

I find the union of Shanahan and Manziel to be quite ironic considering I have Johnny slated to be the next Robert Griffin. That's not a knock on Johnny Football . I think he is a fabulous football player, I just don't think he will last as an NFL QB. Like Griffin, he has a bit of a screw loose in terms of protecting himself from senseless hits.

Unlike Griffin, I do like the kid and believe his off field stuff will likely get toned down once he's named the starter. I just don't see his slight frame taking the hits in the NFL he exposed it to in college. But I think it will be fun while it lasts, he will sell tons of tickets and even more jerseys. I wish him well but I'd stick with Hoyer for the remainder of 2014 if it was up to me.

 

[pehawk]

I kind of like the kid too. I don't sense douchiness. I don't see a lack of self-awareness.

I sense a genuine "F you guys, I'm only a 20yo Heisman Winner in Austin once in my life...I'm going to do what kids are suppose to do at my age...get lifted and partake in borderline daterape with co-eds". That's the vibe I get from him. There's an awful lot of hypocrisy in middle-aged men telling 20yo's how to behave.

"Let thee who would not bang every 19yo walking cast the first autographed A & M helmet" - Muhammad

 

[hieroglyphics]

Manziel could be another Russell Wilson.

But like others said, I doubt it. He's not a tall QB, everyone doubted Wilson because of his physical traits coming into the league but don't do the same with Manziel (partially because of Wilson). Both have similar speed and a great sense of when to run. But the biggest difference is work ethic. Wilson is one of the hardest working guys in the NFL, and his focus is entirely on game prep. I don't really know Manziel's game prep but if Wilson in his free time is at a children's hospital, and Manziel in his free time is in Vegas, you get the sense that he's not even in the same stratosphere of work ethic as Wilson is.

Manziel, I mean if he was at the same level of Wilson in work ethic, he'd already have the starting job. It is Cleveland afterall.

 

[HawkWow]

I kind of like the kid too. I don't sense douchiness. I don't see a lack of self-awareness.

I sense a genuine "F you guys, I'm only a 20yo Heisman Winner in Austin once in my life...I'm going to do what kids are suppose to do at my age...get lifted and partake in borderline daterape with co-eds". That's the vibe I get from him. There's an awful lot of hypocrisy in middle-aged men telling 20yo's how to behave.

"Let thee who would not bang every 19yo walking cast the first autographed A & M helmet" - Muhammad

My thoughts exactly and I applaud the hell out of the kid for doing it his way. These are (obviously) years he will never have again.

Before he knows it, he's got some Houston cheerleader knocked up, they move to Hawaii, they split, she sells the house, steals the kids and moves them to Texas. : /

 

[Scottemojo]

I'm not giving Pettine credit for putting Manziel in the game.

The GM in Cleveland put his balls on the block for Johnny, and it is no coincidence that they waited until he had his Mike Evans clone back, Gordon, to put Manziel in the game when Hoyer struggled. Hoyer has struggled before Sunday, but there was no race to get Manziel in the game then. They want him to succeed. All the immaturity talk from the GM and owner and coach has been bullshit, JM had an early morning incident a week ago and they didn't hesitate to stick him in the game the minute Hoyer looked bad. After Gordon returned, anyway.

I don't blame them. Hoyer ain't bad. But he isn't a savior either.

 

[HawkWow]

Manziel could be another Russell Wilson.

But like others said, I doubt it. He's not a tall QB, everyone doubted Wilson because of his physical traits coming into the league but don't do the same with Manziel (partially because of Wilson). Both have similar speed and a great sense of when to run. But the biggest difference is work ethic. Wilson is one of the hardest working guys in the NFL, and his focus is entirely on game prep. I don't really know Manziel's game prep but if Wilson in his free time is at a children's hospital, and Manziel in his free time is in Vegas, you get the sense that he's not even in the same stratosphere of work ethic as Wilson is.

Manziel, I mean if he was at the same level of Wilson in work ethic, he'd already have the starting job. It is Cleveland afterall.

I can't speak of Manziel's work ethic. He certainly gives the impression he's not a film guy or gym rat, but that is rather speculative. Perhaps true, but I've not heard of him missing meetings or being last guy on, first guy off. I do know he is loved by his mates and more times than not, players don't love players that don't put in work.

The definite difference between Russ and Manziel, in my eyes, is Wilson fully understands his value to his team. You won't find Russ staying in bounds, taking on a defender, after running 20 yds on a 3rd and 3. I've watched Manziel enough to question whether or not he will ultimately grow out of such activity. I just don't think he can. I don't think Johnny Football is synonymous with conservation (or preservation, for that matter).

 

[pehawk]

I'm not giving Pettine credit for putting Manziel in the game.

The GM in Cleveland put his balls on the block for Johnny, and it is no coincidence that they waited until he had his Mike Evans clone back, Gordon, to put Manziel in the game when Hoyer struggled. Hoyer has struggled before Sunday, but there was no race to get Manziel in the game then. They want him to succeed. All the immaturity talk from the GM and owner and coach has been bullshit, JM had an early morning incident a week ago and they didn't hesitate to stick him in the game the minute Hoyer looked bad.

I don't blame them. Hoyer ain't bad. But he isn't a savior either.

Agreed. I chose my words unwisely in given Pettine credit. I also don't blame the GM for forcing it. You have a contract situation coming up, and Kyle is the ideal OC to give them a glimpse of what they have in Manziel.

 

[Silentwander]

Is he still struggling with the playbook? He reminds me of Russell in some ways and he could be good but I am not sold yet. I need to see more of his play style and how well he handles the frustrations and the losses. I only dislike his annoying money sign.

 

[Scottemojo]

Playbook? to Johnny, they are more like...guidelines.

He will thrive or fail on his ass on fire ingenuity, or just his ass on fire. It is what he does.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

..........Before he knows it, he's got some Houston cheerleader knocked up, they move to Hawaii, they split, she sells the house, steals the kids and moves them to Texas. : /

Hmmmm, my detective radar is noticing something here...............

 

[pmedic920]

I hate him.


Warning audio NSFW or young children.
http://youtu.be/EAmtMpEUgbc

 

[pehawk]

I don't understand why he's not starting, a real head scratcher.

 

[pehawk]

For whatever it's worth you're the Hoyer of Seahawks.net, peaches.

 

[JSeahawks]

I think he'll be a pop then fizzle type player. He'll have some initial success and some wow moments, but won't last very long , IMO. Sort of like pehawk with the women.

 

[Tech Worlds]

He's not starting because it's been obvious since day one that Hoyer was the better QB.

Plus there is zero chance of success for the Johnny Drama with the opponents they have remaining.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

Manziel is going to end up just like RG3 either injured beyond repair or on the bench. His ego may be worse then RG3's which will make him write checks his body or brain cannot cash. Excuse me as I sit back and watch it happen. I just wish Jerry had drafted him like he was tempted to then it would be perfect. Cleveland doesn't deserve the impending disaster that is coming down the tracks.

 

[pehawk]

Manziel is going to end up just like RG3 either injured beyond repair or on the bench. His ego may be worse then RG3's which will make him write checks his body or brain cannot cash. Excuse me as I sit back and watch it happen. I just wish Jerry had drafted him like he was tempted to then it would be perfect. Cleveland doesn't deserve the impending disaster that is coming down the tracks.

Whatever. You'd love him if your Chiefs had drafted him.

 

[Uncle Si]

Manziel is going to end up just like RG3 either injured beyond repair or on the bench. His ego may be worse then RG3's which will make him write checks his body or brain cannot cash. Excuse me as I sit back and watch it happen. I just wish Jerry had drafted him like he was tempted to then it would be perfect. Cleveland doesn't deserve the impending disaster that is coming down the tracks.

not sure on this...

where would you rank his ego as compared to Brady, Manning, Luck? i mean the kid likes to enjoy himself but how will it relate to his footballing decisions?

he made some nice throws in that game vs. the Bills and I expected him to start this week. really surprised they didnt go that route.