Lets talk Manziel...

[pehawk]

Pettine did the right thing in yanking Hoyer...he was forcing throws and wasn't quite quick enough to elude that underrated Bills front seven and/or secondary. Johnny came in and showed great command on his first drive. He was changing calls at the line of scrimmage and moving players around. He put some mustard on his balls when it was required (his arm strength is underrated).

I think Manziel is more suited for Kyle's offense than Hoyer is. Not to say Hoyer isn't equipped to run it, he is, but Johnny is more and better equipped. Which is why I think Manziel will get his first start this weekend.

I root for him for some personal reasons, but also I'm just a fan of his play. I think he'll have a tough season or so, which will have some incredibly stupid moments. But, once the game slows down he'll have major success. You just cant teach that sense of space nor instinct.

Am I alone in this? Anyone else see him play?

 

[pehawk]

We'll see.

FWIW, I said the same about the Hunny Badger in the face of every draft expert was saying the opposite. You can never undervalue instinct, and in Mathieu and Johnny's case I see ALOT of instinct.

 

[OkieHawk]

We'll see.

FWIW, I said the same about the Hunny Badger in the face of every draft expert was saying the opposite. You can never undervalue instinct, and in Mathieu and Johnny's case I see ALOT of instinct.

I feel that he has the physical tools to win, and on some level the instinct. But that does not guarantee anything. Personally, I think more along the lines with peaches. He'll do well as there is no tape on him currently, but by next year every team will have his number. If he doesn't grow mentally, he'll be no better than Kap.

Also, something to think about, do you hold any weight on the media saying that the reason Manziel wasn't playing was because he didn't know the offense well enough to start? Hoyer has been borderline this season, and should have been benched earlier if they truly feel that Johnny is their franchise QB.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

I'm pretty 'meh' on Manziel. I don't think he has the self-discipline to be elite. Talent is there though indeed.

Glad you mentioned Buffalo's defensive front 7 Pe. Buffalo is my biggest hope for a Green Bay loss in the last 4 games and that front 7 is the biggest factor in that hope (well that and the game is in Buffalo). Hanz and Franz's buddy with his reported alternative lifestyle had all freakin' day to throw yesterday. I'm hoping the Bills are able to disrupt him and keep him from running as well.

 

[pehawk]

I think Buffalo will beat GB, 'sinceday1. And yup Okie, I hjeard he struggled with playbook. He ran a very, VERY simple system at A&M.

 

[bmorepunk]

His public persona doesn't give me the feeling that he's going to put the time in to be really good. If it's truly representative of his work ethic, he'll have flashes because of talent but will be mediocre to crappy in the long run.

 

[OkieHawk]

His public persona doesn't give me the feeling that he's going to put the time in to be really good. If it's truly representative of his work ethic, he'll have flashes because of talent but will be mediocre to crappy in the long run.

Personally, I have to think that he could be the type that usually excels with little preparation, so he's used to continuing that trend. He may quickly come to the conclusion that he can no longer do that, and change. Or, it may not matter and he actually excels in the NFL. I doubt it, but I cannot discount the possibility.

 

[ringless]

I hate the kid, maybe more so than anyone in this league. His personality, and leadership, maturity, decisions, and attitude leave a lot to be desired.

He walked out on practices in college when he was being criticized. Never had a playbook in college, and makes so many horrible decisions.

I also hate that money sign he does and just loved when the fans did it in Buffalo yesterday.

 

[volsunghawk]

We'll see.

FWIW, I said the same about the Hunny Badger in the face of every draft expert was saying the opposite. You can never undervalue instinct, and in Mathieu and Johnny's case I see ALOT of instinct.

Different positions, though. I think instinct will pay off more as a free safety than it will a QB.

 

[pehawk]

We'll see.

FWIW, I said the same about the Hunny Badger in the face of every draft expert was saying the opposite. You can never undervalue instinct, and in Mathieu and Johnny's case I see ALOT of instinct.

Different positions, though. I think instinct will pay off more as a free safety than it will a QB.

Very true. I guess that all depends on his OC. I like his chances under the other Tannohan.

 

[Sports Hernia]

My outrageous prediction is after Romo retires at the end of the year due to back issues, crazy uncle Jerruh in *allas will fleece himself and give up multiple picks for him including a first rounder after missing the playoffs again. 8)

 

[Largent80]

Did Kiper like him?......If so he is a lock to kick ass.

 

[Chawks1]

Manziel < RG III

 

[Sgt. Largent]

His public persona doesn't give me the feeling that he's going to put the time in to be really good. If it's truly representative of his work ethic, he'll have flashes because of talent but will be mediocre to crappy in the long run.

This.

Manziel's stupid "money dance" showed me that the dude hasn't changed (as well as his staying out til 2:45 and getting in fights before getting on a plane to go play).

He's still a player with a ton of talent and potential, I just haven't seen enough growth as a player and the humility needed for him to take the next step so far.

 

[pehawk]

Word on the humility point. He'll get a heaping serving, soon.

 

[Sarlacc83]

In one of our futbol threads, I believe Uncle Si brought up how Americans are trained to be regimented players while the rest of the world trains creative types. (I am overgeneralizing a bit.)

Manziel strikes me as part of the same debate. Someone who needs to utilize a different skill set than call play, run called play - just like R. Wilson. I would like to see Johnny succeed for that reason. Creative players are fun to watch even if their personalities suck. When the Rams skipped him for Aaron Donald, I fistpumped like a drunken frat boy.

 

[pehawk]

That's a great g'damn point Sarlacc. And a far superior literary explanation of my thoughts.

To that end, Manziel is coupled with as good a match at OC as possible, in Shanohan.

 

[Sarlacc83]

Thanks. I forgot to add that players like Wilson and Manziel can also usher in a less stodgy, traditional, and restrictive NFL. Which we ought to all root for, because "it teaches creativity" is a far better defense than "it teaches teamwork" when people ask why we continue this 'barbaric' game. Society as large needs more thinkers and fewer drones.

 

[Smellyman]

Word on the humility point. He'll get a heaping serving, soon.

Yup. Ryan Leaf had ton of talent and instinct. If you don't learn some humility (and the playbook) the NFL will serve you some.

 

[Tech Worlds]

He's Kelly Jennings 2.0, Senica Wallace 3.0.

I look forward to his performance.