Uncle Si":1na5x8pt said:
Im referencing 9er fans as a whole, as you address Seahawks fans criticisms as a whole, all within the same posts. It's an easy connection to make, Popeye. Arguing with Seahawks fans about their criticism and ignoring why they are doing it is pretty simplistic. You can do better, atleast understand the flow of the conversation. I understand your perspective, you can try and see it from that of a Seahawks board, no? You're a terrific poster. I assumed you knew what I was referencing here.
So are all the "you" and "yours" in this quoted passage actually in reference to me or in reference to all 49ers fans so I should just ignore them?
Sorry, but I don't believe you. That you, in a conversation with me, can't keep track of what I've said versus some other 49ers fan is fine, but holding me accountable for what some random person has said doesn't make any sense.
If it did, I'd like for you to explain to me how in the world you've actually convinced yourself that Will Dissly is a better tight end than George Kittle. I think that's absolutely ridiculous of you. In all honestly I can't take you seriously because you think that.
Don't worry though! By "you" I meant Seahawks fans, and Sports Hernia arguing that Dissly is better than Kittle. :lol:
I don't hold you accountable for crazy things SH says just as you don't hold me accountable for crazy things Washinton 9er says. I think that's more than fair. :lol:
Uncle Si":1na5x8pt said:
My statement was also about the 4th quarter, as things fell apart on the 49ers. Figured that was easy to pick up on. There was little to no adjustment from either side of the ball by the 9ers, while the Chiefs changed up approaches on both offense and defense.
Okay. Gotcha. Thanks. We substantively disagree.
The constant in Shanahan's approach, as I saw it, was to put the Chiefs (not very good) linebackers in conflict. He opened the game by trying to beat them to the edges with the Deebo sweeps, and to get them to over-commit on play actions (the passes to Juice) and outside the number short and intermediate throws.
In the second half the Chiefs corrected for this, and also expected Shanahan to start relying on powers and traps more, which is what he was trying to do, and what they were prepared for.
His adjustment to that, which makes sense, was to see that the Chiefs were now loading the box and splitting their linebackers more to protect the edges when not blitzing through the A and B gaps, so he went with play actions and RPOs and rubs to attack the intermediate middle which was now wide open.
It was, I believe, the right strategy, as evidenced by the fact that those plays were available to be had over, and over, and over again. In the fourth quarter Chris Jones just had two very good plays, and Jimmy just really, really, really sh!t the bed on hitting them (losing YAC due to very bad accuracy when he could hit them at all, and just misdiagnosing the defense and not even seeing them).
If you want to second guess this as the right way to attack what the Chiefs were doing I'm not opposed to that, but as a strategy I think the proof is in the all 22 pudding that it was a fine one, and the players (as in, the guys I root for) just really didn't execute. That's my read on what happened on offense.
Uncle Si":1na5x8pt said:
Sou can argue where the 9ers made these changes in the first and 2nd quarters, but again, you're arguing specifics in a general conversation and acting like it's making a point, and trying to use that to prove a point I'm not even talking about.
Remember that your claim was that Shanahan never changed his strategy and this was his failing, so strategy changes in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarter all matter to the claim. If he never changed his strategy he would have been running end arounds to Deebo all game instead of using them get a defensive adjustment he wanted before moving to something else, etc., etc., etc.
Uncle Si":1na5x8pt said:
We can get specific about the 4th quarter if you want. Trying to be indignant about general statements though is a bad look.
I'm indignant about your statement that he never changed his strategy because I believe that to be untrue and to not reflect the game I watched.
I'm happy to be specific about my interpretation of the 4th quarter, as you see above, and now, below too. :lol:
Uncle Si":1na5x8pt said:
The Chiefs opened up in the middle of the 3rd quarter and started taking deeper shots. They set up Sherman for a few longer hits, and went with long developing plays despite the 9ers dropping 10 yards or more in coverage. Saleh did next to nothing to address this, got caught several times hoping the front 4 rush would pay off, and saw 21 straight points scored. He left Sherman to his own devices a few times and paid the price. You can point to a play here or there where things are different. but that's not exactly germane to a discussion about the general approach, is it?
In the 3rd and 4th Saleh brought less blitzers, and stopped using quarters as much as he got more conservative and went back to his base Cover 3. This is an adjustment that I think we both agree was a bad one? My objection was to the claim that he didn't make many adjustments because he did, they were just bad adjustments. :lol:
(I also feel the need to give the Chiefs some credit here: they've come back from at least ten down in every round of the playoffs this year, and they're VERY, VERY good on offense).
Uncle Si":1na5x8pt said:
On offense, the Chiefs threw players up at the line to stop the edge runs and bring pressure on the QB. They literally threw almost everything at the line of scrimmage. Shanahan's response was to leave the formations relatively the same but let JG try and throw as his receivers took the same, relatively long developing routes, now with pressure in his face.
Yeah, I agree with all of this except for the claim about relatively long developing routes, which save for the Sanders shot (on which Jimmy probably should have tried hit Bourne on wide open 15 yard crosser for the first down) I just didn't see that at all.
I saw him as attacking the 8-15 yard middle, which strategically I think was correct, and which just really, really didn't pan out.
Uncle Si":1na5x8pt said:
So no, generally speaking your team did very little to nothing to stop a 21 point outburst while offering very little in return.
This is completely unrelated to your claim that I responded to and that we're talking about. We are fully in agreement that they didn't stop a 21 point outburst and that they didn't perform on offense either in making up for it, but it has nothing to do with anything about your claim that I responded to, which was about WHY this happened.
Uncle Si":1na5x8pt said:
And they lost. Deservedly. And for Shanahan, he lost again.
Your half-assed attempt to rub salt in the wound has been duly noted. :snack: