K9

[TheLegendOfBoom]

Man, I love K9!

Everything that went wrong yesterday both offensively and defensively, I think we can lay to rest any posters here that feel like Charb should be the starter over Walker.

Yeah, uh, no, HELL NO!!!

K9 was insane!

K9’s instant speed and his ability go from 0 to 100, was the reason Seattle was able to score. Gonna show my appreciate for K9 working with an offensive line that is definitely still a work in progress!

So happy K9 is back!

Go Seahawks!

 

[Rat]

What we saw in the second half is why it's so frustrating to see KW3 constantly on the injury report. He's a perennial MVP candidate if he's not always hurt. Charbs did respectably filling in the past few games, but there's a clear difference when Walker is able to be featured.

 

[Appyhawk]

I would use Char more than we are. He softens up their D with his pounding style. Then hit them with K9 and they can't make the adjustment to his speed and elusiveness. Would like to see Mc get some PT too.

 

[oldhawkfan]

Him being “always hurt” is just a knee jerk reaction. K9 played 15 games in his rookie season and rushed for 1050 yards with 9 TDs. He missed the first couple of games because of hernia surgery.

Last year he also played in 15 games and rushed for 905 yards and 8 TDs. He has missed 2 games this year but already has 4 TDs.

If I’m doing the math in my head, he averages missing 2 games a season. His availability is over 88%. I’d take that availability percentage from any player!

 

[Rat]

Him being “always hurt” is just a knee jerk reaction. K9 played 15 games in his rookie season and rushed for 1050 yards with 9 TDs. He missed the first couple of games because of hernia surgery.

Last year he also played in 15 games and rushed for 905 yards and 8 TDs. He has missed 2 games this year but already has 4 TDs.

If I’m doing the math in my head, he averages missing 2 games a season. His availability is over 88%. I’d take that availability percentage from any player!

Did you count the nine games in that span where he got single-digit carries? Games where he's limited aren't terribly helpful either.

 

[oldhawkfan]

Did you count the nine games in that span where he got single-digit carries? Games where he's limited aren't terribly helpful either.

Single digit carries has less to do with health and availability. It has more to do with game plan, scheme, opponent, etc.

 

[Rat]

Single digit carries has less to do with health and availability. It has more to do with game plan, scheme, opponent, etc.

The top five backs in the league last year combined for just four such games, and one of those was a week 1 game from D'Andre Swift where he played just 19 snaps, getting one carry.

Are you somehow under the impression that any player on the field is 100%? Hobbled players get put out there all the time. Like if Nwosu had come in for one series, and they realized he didn't have it, you would have considered that full availability.

 

[FreshBoxLive]

Wish we had a cool power run philosophy like Detroit has. So tired of shotgun runs...

 

[oldhawkfan]

Full availability? I never said full. Name me one player that doesn’t have some type of injury at some point in the season. Keep grasping at straws. The fact is, K9 is available to play 88% of the time so far in his career.

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

Wish we had a cool power run philosophy like Detroit has. So tired of shotgun runs...

You gotta understand that what Seattle runs on offense is largely dictated by how well/good the offensive line is playing.

You can’t run every scheme you believe you should if you don’t have the talent up front to allow you to do so.

I’m not sure if the individual talent of Seattles offensive line is capable running power running schemes more than it currently can. Maybe a few plays but not all the time. Grubb constructs his play calls based on what the defense gives him with what he has to work with.

Grubb is a very good play caller from what we have seen this far but Seattle’s offensive line still needs more individual talent for Grubb to even get more exotic with his play calls.

I don’t think Grubb’s play calls are the problem. I think it’s the least of Seattle’s problems actually.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

K9 is a phenomenal football player. Some guys are just built different. He is a flat-out game changer, period.

 

[Appyhawk]

Full availability? I never said full. Name me one player that doesn’t have some type of injury at some point in the season. Keep grasping at straws. The fact is, K9 is available to play 88% of the time so far in his career.

88% of the time is pretty good for a RB if you ask me. Those guys take a pounding nearly every time they touch the ball.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Man, I love K9!

Everything that went wrong yesterday both offensively and defensively, I think we can lay to rest any posters here that feel like Charb should be the starter over Walker.

Yeah, uh, no, HELL NO!!!

K9 was insane!

K9’s instant speed and his ability go from 0 to 100, was the reason Seattle was able to score. Gonna show my appreciate for K9 working with an offensive line that is definitely still a work in progress!

So happy K9 is back!

Go Seahawks!

I think people talk about K9 and Charb wrong in terms of starter, backup, etc.

K9 should be the primary rusher in neutral situations. Charbonnet should check in for obvious passing scenarios due to his superior blocking. Charbonnet also has a special way of wearing down defenses when we can get him to the second level.

They're a tandem, but K9 should obviously get more touches. When K9 is unavailable or slumping, I like what Charbonnet brings. 20 years ago, Charbonnet would be a top-10 RB eating mfers up from singleback.

Charbonnet's comp, to me, is Cedric Benson. They're shockingly similar players if you watch the tape on Cedric. Charbs is a total throwback.

 

[oldhawkfan]

I think people talk about K9 and Charb wrong in terms of starter, backup, etc.

K9 should be the primary rusher in neutral situations. Charbonnet should check in for obvious passing scenarios due to his superior blocking. Charbonnet also has a special way of wearing down defenses when we can get him to the second level.

They're a tandem, but K9 should obviously get more touches. When K9 is unavailable or slumping, I like what Charbonnet brings. 20 years ago, Charbonnet would be a top-10 RB eating mfers up from singleback.

Charbonnet's comp, to me, is Cedric Benson. They're shockingly similar players if you watch the tape on Cedric. Charbs is a total throwback.

K9 and Charbs reminds me of Curt Warner and John L Williams back in the day. Two different type of backs but both productive backs.

 

[Rat]

Full availability? I never said full. Name me one player that doesn’t have some type of injury at some point in the season. Keep grasping at straws. The fact is, K9 is available to play 88% of the time so far in his career.

That's very specious. There's a big difference between one guy being 90% and another being 40%. And yes, the way you're classifying it, a guy who plays 10 snaps is lumped in as the same as a guy who plays them all. Not sure how the concept of a hobbled player available for fewer snaps being less helpful than a guy largely healthy is so foreign to you. Counting them the same is intellectually dishonest. And again, you claim it's common for healthy feature backs to have single-digit carries in a game, but the statistics just don't show that.

I'm pretty sure I'm not imagining him being frequently on the injury report and limited in games. Would love to see him getting a full load regularly though; it would be a boon for our chances of contending.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

One hell of a 1, 2 punch

 

[oldhawkfan]

That's very specious. There's a big difference between one guy being 90% and another being 40%. And yes, the way you're classifying it, a guy who plays 10 snaps is lumped in as the same as a guy who plays them all. Not sure how the concept of a hobbled player available for fewer snaps being less helpful than a guy largely healthy is so foreign to you. Counting them the same is intellectually dishonest. And again, you claim it's common for healthy feature backs to have single-digit carries in a game, but the statistics just don't show that.

I'm pretty sure I'm not imagining him being frequently on the injury report and limited in games. Would love to see him getting a full load regularly though; it would be a boon for our chances of contending.

This conversation is just dumb. I'm out.

 

[Rat]

Yeah, that's what I thought.