MizzouHawkGal
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Apparently every thread at .net is sooner or later. :sarcasm_on:Seahwkgal":2ipmg3yc said:Why did this become a discussion about the Whiners again.? :roll:
Apparently every thread at .net is sooner or later. :sarcasm_on:Seahwkgal":2ipmg3yc said:Why did this become a discussion about the Whiners again.? :roll:
SE174":1s7osi3q said:You honestly think Russell could just be a "more dynamic version of Alex Smith?"themunn":1s7osi3q said:I don't get the problem with the quote in the OP?
themunn":2ibgy21l said:SE174":2ibgy21l said:You honestly think Russell could just be a "more dynamic version of Alex Smith?"themunn":2ibgy21l said:I don't get the problem with the quote in the OP?
I think it's unlikely, but he didn't say that's what he would be, in fact, he suggested that that is his floor
Blitzer88":28axszw3 said:Well........that was interesting.
NinerBuff":2xzy5ih4 said:I've never read anything from Chadiha that was really worth reading, I probably should stop clicking the links...
There really wasn't much said... He had a great season, some players suffer through sophomore slumps, he can be a successful game manager or become an icon. Yes, all of those are true.
I doubt RW has a setback next year. I see that other teams will key in on him, but adding Harvin won't make him worse. The only way I see him 'slightly' regressing is your away schedule is brutal, and maybe that contributes.
Honestly, Kaep has a higher chance of a sophomore slump than Wilson, but Kaep has a higher ceiling too. Now, until Crabs gets back (about Thanksgiving), RW will probably be statistically superior. When Crabs does get back, I think Kaep can really take off. Hopefully they can get AJ Jenkins and Vance McDonald up to speed during the first 3/4 of the season, so when Crabs gets back for the playoff run, the offense will be more balanced. We used Crabs too much last year, and it bit us in the *ss in the last series of the SB.
kearly":49k02owp said:The sophomore slump crowd comes across like they are nursing some bruised egos.
jlwaters1":3sgx9n1u said:NinerBuff":3sgx9n1u said:I've never read anything from Chadiha that was really worth reading, I probably should stop clicking the links...
There really wasn't much said... He had a great season, some players suffer through sophomore slumps, he can be a successful game manager or become an icon. Yes, all of those are true.
I doubt RW has a setback next year. I see that other teams will key in on him, but adding Harvin won't make him worse. The only way I see him 'slightly' regressing is your away schedule is brutal, and maybe that contributes.
Honestly, Kaep has a higher chance of a sophomore slump than Wilson, but Kaep has a higher ceiling too. Now, until Crabs gets back (about Thanksgiving), RW will probably be statistically superior. When Crabs does get back, I think Kaep can really take off. Hopefully they can get AJ Jenkins and Vance McDonald up to speed during the first 3/4 of the season, so when Crabs gets back for the playoff run, the offense will be more balanced. We used Crabs too much last year, and it bit us in the *ss in the last series of the SB.
judging from what. IMO both Kaepernick and Wilson are the same athletically-- Let me explain. Both players have more than adaquate arm strength. Wilson has much better touch than Kaepernick at this point in their career. It could be argued that Kaepernick has a stronger arm, but that really doesn't matter as BOTH players can make any throw that's required.
Next Kaep may have better straight line speed (that's debateable) as Kaep ran a 4.53 at the combine and RW was 4.55, so that's not depreciably different. But I'd say RW has a distinctive edge in terms of agility or lateral quickness (interestingly enough RW out performed Kaep at the combine in the broadjump, verticle jump and 20 yard shuttle. ) RW is much more elusive than Kaep moving sideways and avoiding defenders.
The only real argument left to say that Kaep has more upside is to point to stature. 6-5, 230 vs. 5-11, 215. To say that RW was a product of his supporting cast and then to ignore it for Kaepernick is really dishonest. Both benefitted from playing good teams.
BamKam":15i69yyu said:Why is it that every time someone doesn't completely bow down to our players/team they are deemed idiots/morons/whatever?
Look I love RW and I believe he will be a star for many years, but he only has played 1 year and I am sure teams will adjust (and I think RW will adjust to that). Soph slumps are real.
NinerBuff":2l9pr5w2 said:jlwaters1":2l9pr5w2 said:NinerBuff":2l9pr5w2 said:I've never read anything from Chadiha that was really worth reading, I probably should stop clicking the links...
There really wasn't much said... He had a great season, some players suffer through sophomore slumps, he can be a successful game manager or become an icon. Yes, all of those are true.
I doubt RW has a setback next year. I see that other teams will key in on him, but adding Harvin won't make him worse. The only way I see him 'slightly' regressing is your away schedule is brutal, and maybe that contributes.
Honestly, Kaep has a higher chance of a sophomore slump than Wilson, but Kaep has a higher ceiling too. Now, until Crabs gets back (about Thanksgiving), RW will probably be statistically superior. When Crabs does get back, I think Kaep can really take off. Hopefully they can get AJ Jenkins and Vance McDonald up to speed during the first 3/4 of the season, so when Crabs gets back for the playoff run, the offense will be more balanced. We used Crabs too much last year, and it bit us in the *ss in the last series of the SB.
judging from what. IMO both Kaepernick and Wilson are the same athletically-- Let me explain. Both players have more than adaquate arm strength. Wilson has much better touch than Kaepernick at this point in their career. It could be argued that Kaepernick has a stronger arm, but that really doesn't matter as BOTH players can make any throw that's required.
Next Kaep may have better straight line speed (that's debateable) as Kaep ran a 4.53 at the combine and RW was 4.55, so that's not depreciably different. But I'd say RW has a distinctive edge in terms of agility or lateral quickness (interestingly enough RW out performed Kaep at the combine in the broadjump, verticle jump and 20 yard shuttle. ) RW is much more elusive than Kaep moving sideways and avoiding defenders.
The only real argument left to say that Kaep has more upside is to point to stature. 6-5, 230 vs. 5-11, 215. To say that RW was a product of his supporting cast and then to ignore it for Kaepernick is really dishonest. Both benefitted from playing good teams.
I agree with everything you said here. And the size thing did contribute to a "potentially" higher ceiling. But it's semantics. Like you said, both guys can make all the throws and both guys benefited greatly from a great supporting cast.
And I do think that Wilson's floor is higher than Kaep's, but I still contend that Kaep's ceiling is still higher than Wilson, based on the fact that he improved significantly every start (other than the SEA game, which was a total team letdown,,, you all know). Like many of you have said, Wilson improved over the season. He was much better in the playoffs then early on. Same can be said for Kaep.
NinerBuff":22cxnwiv said:jlwaters1":22cxnwiv said:NinerBuff":22cxnwiv said:I've never read anything from Chadiha that was really worth reading, I probably should stop clicking the links...
There really wasn't much said... He had a great season, some players suffer through sophomore slumps, he can be a successful game manager or become an icon. Yes, all of those are true.
I doubt RW has a setback next year. I see that other teams will key in on him, but adding Harvin won't make him worse. The only way I see him 'slightly' regressing is your away schedule is brutal, and maybe that contributes.
Honestly, Kaep has a higher chance of a sophomore slump than Wilson, but Kaep has a higher ceiling too. Now, until Crabs gets back (about Thanksgiving), RW will probably be statistically superior. When Crabs does get back, I think Kaep can really take off. Hopefully they can get AJ Jenkins and Vance McDonald up to speed during the first 3/4 of the season, so when Crabs gets back for the playoff run, the offense will be more balanced. We used Crabs too much last year, and it bit us in the *ss in the last series of the SB.
judging from what. IMO both Kaepernick and Wilson are the same athletically-- Let me explain. Both players have more than adaquate arm strength. Wilson has much better touch than Kaepernick at this point in their career. It could be argued that Kaepernick has a stronger arm, but that really doesn't matter as BOTH players can make any throw that's required.
Next Kaep may have better straight line speed (that's debateable) as Kaep ran a 4.53 at the combine and RW was 4.55, so that's not depreciably different. But I'd say RW has a distinctive edge in terms of agility or lateral quickness (interestingly enough RW out performed Kaep at the combine in the broadjump, verticle jump and 20 yard shuttle. ) RW is much more elusive than Kaep moving sideways and avoiding defenders.
The only real argument left to say that Kaep has more upside is to point to stature. 6-5, 230 vs. 5-11, 215. To say that RW was a product of his supporting cast and then to ignore it for Kaepernick is really dishonest. Both benefitted from playing good teams.
I agree with everything you said here. And the size thing did contribute to a "potentially" higher ceiling. But it's semantics. Like you said, both guys can make all the throws and both guys benefited greatly from a great supporting cast.
And I do think that Wilson's floor is higher than Kaep's, but I still contend that Kaep's ceiling is still higher than Wilson, based on the fact that he improved significantly every start (other than the SEA game, which was a total team letdown,,, you all know). Like many of you have said, Wilson improved over the season. He was much better in the playoffs then early on. Same can be said for Kaep.
He says on air his take was based on stats. Which means he doesn't take into account red zone stats, ypa, or common sense. And this idea that he had it easy because of his team's skill ignores that this team was teetering on missing the playoffs until Russell took over.MontanaHawk05":1dq45w46 said:Wilson's skill set is entirely different from Newton, RG3, Smith, Kaepernick, OR Luck. Chadiha obviously hasn't watched him enough to know this.
Scottemojo":35x7dyxf said:He says on air his take was based on stats. Which means he doesn't take into account red zone stats, ypa, or common sense. And this idea that he had it easy because of his team's skill ignores that this team was teetering on missing the playoffs until Russell took over.MontanaHawk05":35x7dyxf said:Wilson's skill set is entirely different from Newton, RG3, Smith, Kaepernick, OR Luck. Chadiha obviously hasn't watched him enough to know this.
And the dumbass admits that if Russell were 6'3" the conversation never happens.