chris98251
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You need a size back with a long season, probably 2 at 17 games plus playoffs now, look at the backs playing, all go down.
keasley45":mvy49nu4 said:John63":mvy49nu4 said:misfit":mvy49nu4 said:This team has looked for a bell cow back since Marshawn left and has failed miserably.
If your bellcow is injured all the time, hes not an effective bellcow. Carson didnt deserve another contract and it was a terrible move by a front office desperate for a run game. our run game is uncreative and boring. we have an oc problem and an offense that is out of touch. we have a defensive coach that dictates the offense. none of it works.
Bingo
Lmao.
Boingo
keasley45":10t5gjk8 said:But no, I think Pete can win here right not with a QB ( whether Russ or someone else) who is efficient, mobile, takes care of the ball, and is capable of the occasional big play.
keasley45":ai14n94a said:The OCs problem is he's handcuffed by Wilson's limitations. There's only but so much scheming you can do around them. And Pete has unfortunately let Russ have his way.
pittpnthrs":2c2y8sh2 said:keasley45":2c2y8sh2 said:The OCs problem is he's handcuffed by Wilson's limitations. There's only but so much scheming you can do around them. And Pete has unfortunately let Russ have his way.
If the OC is handcuffed by a HOF QB's limitations, than he doesnt deserve a job. This blaming of Russ for the inept coaching is cute but inaccurate. Although Carroll is the one that needs to go, I somewhat would like to see Wilson leave just so you can see how wrong you truly are.
pittpnthrs":3v6jxvc9 said:keasley45":3v6jxvc9 said:But no, I think Pete can win here right not with a QB ( whether Russ or someone else) who is efficient, mobile, takes care of the ball, and is capable of the occasional big play.
Having watched Wilson pull Petes butt out of the fire so many times over the years, I would say that Pete certainly would not win with just an efficient QB. He has a below .500 winning percentage without Russ and you think he can somehow win without him now?
keasley45":1oyrldnt said:pittpnthrs":1oyrldnt said:keasley45":1oyrldnt said:But no, I think Pete can win here right not with a QB ( whether Russ or someone else) who is efficient, mobile, takes care of the ball, and is capable of the occasional big play.
Having watched Wilson pull Petes butt out of the fire so many times over the years, I would say that Pete certainly would not win with just an efficient QB. He has a below .500 winning percentage without Russ and you think he can somehow win without him now?
Russ pulled himself out of the fire when he couldn't execute the plays called fir three qtrs and then was given freedom to play sandlot, which is true skill... improv.
He now with 3 coordinators has shown and inability to do simple things pre and post snap. HOF qbs have called him out on it and writen articles about it. Tape in threads on this board show it beyond a reasonable doubt. Abd still, with nothing but debunked theories about Pete changing plays or controlling now Waldron, PC still gets blamed for what Russ is doing on the field. Russ even admits in his own words preferring the splash play over the first down play when things are moving to fast for him in a play and still, pets fault. Have it how you want it.
LTH":3cxi1ajm said:Sgt. Largent":3cxi1ajm said:Yes.
But that doesn't mean a coach like Pete can't exist in the modern NFL. Pete's problem is he's trying to keep Russell happy while undermining and meddling creating a lack of continuity and identity, and that's really the disconnect and dysfunction with what we're seeing now with this team. No identity.
You wanna run the ball and play lights out defense Pete? Then trade Russell for 2-3 1st rounders, draft a young QB or go find a Tannehill or Fitzpatrick type cheap game manager. Then build your team around a bell cow back and commit 70% of the cap to the defense.
from my perspective I agree with some of what you are saying yes they are lacking identity I agree with that statement but what I don't agree with necessarily Trading Russ untill all options are played out... Truthfully Russ needs to make some adjustments because it doesn't matter who he plays for at some point he will have the same issue just like Brett Favre just like matt Hasselbeck just like Eli manning every great QB has to make adjustment to their game you can not win in the NFL consistently throwing into double coverage because you have gotten away with it in the past teams are going to adjust and if you don't adjust with them your toast and it doesn't matter what team you play for the rules apply to everyone
LTH
" an offense controlled by a 71 year old stubborn head coach who only wants to play one way.". The same 71 yo stubborn HC mumbled after the Green Bay game that we should have run more. That sounded like someone who have given up in the control of offense, a HC reduced to mumbling to himself.Sgt. Largent":pugusnsp said:LTH":pugusnsp said:Sgt. Largent":pugusnsp said:Yes.
But that doesn't mean a coach like Pete can't exist in the modern NFL. Pete's problem is he's trying to keep Russell happy while undermining and meddling creating a lack of continuity and identity, and that's really the disconnect and dysfunction with what we're seeing now with this team. No identity.
You wanna run the ball and play lights out defense Pete? Then trade Russell for 2-3 1st rounders, draft a young QB or go find a Tannehill or Fitzpatrick type cheap game manager. Then build your team around a bell cow back and commit 70% of the cap to the defense.
from my perspective I agree with some of what you are saying yes they are lacking identity I agree with that statement but what I don't agree with necessarily Trading Russ untill all options are played out... Truthfully Russ needs to make some adjustments because it doesn't matter who he plays for at some point he will have the same issue just like Brett Favre just like matt Hasselbeck just like Eli manning every great QB has to make adjustment to their game you can not win in the NFL consistently throwing into double coverage because you have gotten away with it in the past teams are going to adjust and if you don't adjust with them your toast and it doesn't matter what team you play for the rules apply to everyone
LTH
But isn't it obvious that Russell doesn't want to be a QB in Pete's ball control play it safe run first offense? You don't burn through three O-coordinators in four years and tell your agent to put out a weird I don't want to be traded but if you do trade me..........statement if you're content.
Russell's not happy with the tug of war that's going on right now, he wants the offense to run through him.
Which can work, but IMO it can't work in an offense controlled by a 71 year old stubborn head coach who only wants to play one way.
Thus my statement. If Pete stays then trade Russell, cause right now this team has no identity and there's too much dysfunction between the QB and HC as to what that identity should be.
Sgt. Largent":1xa0iks5 said:But isn't it obvious that Russell doesn't want to be a QB in Pete's ball control play it safe run first offense? You don't burn through three O-coordinators in four years and tell your agent to put out a weird I don't want to be traded but if you do trade me..........statement if you're content.
Russell's not happy with the tug of war that's going on right now, he wants the offense to run through him.
Which can work, but IMO it can't work in an offense controlled by a 71 year old stubborn head coach who only wants to play one way.
Thus my statement. If Pete stays then trade Russell, cause right now this team has no identity and there's too much dysfunction between the QB and HC as to what that identity should be.
hoxrox":25cm4yem said:Sgt. Largent":25cm4yem said:But isn't it obvious that Russell doesn't want to be a QB in Pete's ball control play it safe run first offense? You don't burn through three O-coordinators in four years and tell your agent to put out a weird I don't want to be traded but if you do trade me..........statement if you're content.
Russell's not happy with the tug of war that's going on right now, he wants the offense to run through him.
Which can work, but IMO it can't work in an offense controlled by a 71 year old stubborn head coach who only wants to play one way.
Thus my statement. If Pete stays then trade Russell, cause right now this team has no identity and there's too much dysfunction between the QB and HC as to what that identity should be.
Thing is the LRC experiment failed. When all defenses have to do is take away the deep ball, and make you one-dimensional, that is an abject failure. I don't care who the HC or OC is.
Also a stubborn coach, known for smash mouth, but allowing 40 passes to 11 runs doesn't make sense at all. He's obviously relented and yielded this offense OR is simply ineffective at implementing his vision.
I don't think the disconnect between the two sides, can be resolved, TBH. SW was supposed to be the solution.
A major change needs to be made, IMO.
Sgt. Largent":1i6jiu77 said:Which can work, but IMO it can't work in an offense controlled by a 71 year old stubborn head coach who only wants to play one way.
Sgt. Largent":2b2i1cul said:As much as I want Pete gone, I do think he could rebuild the offense into another successful physical run first to open up explosive plays through play action and motion.
But that's not happening with Russell, he's obviously not content in that role.
Waldron’s run game has also had to change to suit his quarterback. This offense is based around outside zone running plays, which are typically most effective when run from under center. But Wilson is at his best in the shotgun, which has forced another departure from the McVay philosophy. In 2020, the Rams ranked 30th in shotgun usage, according to Sports Info Solutions. Through Wilson’s first five starts before the finger injury this season, the Seahawks ranked 16th and had already called more shotgun runs than Los Angeles had in all of last year.
hoxrox":3t3fff8m said:Waldron’s run game has also had to change to suit his quarterback. This offense is based around outside zone running plays, which are typically most effective when run from under center. But Wilson is at his best in the shotgun, which has forced another departure from the McVay philosophy. In 2020, the Rams ranked 30th in shotgun usage, according to Sports Info Solutions. Through Wilson’s first five starts before the finger injury this season, the Seahawks ranked 16th and had already called more shotgun runs than Los Angeles had in all of last year.
It's not some half-baked theory about a HC wanting to move away from what worked well against the Colts because it was so successful.
pittpnthrs":3sdunk2o said:hoxrox":3sdunk2o said:Waldron’s run game has also had to change to suit his quarterback. This offense is based around outside zone running plays, which are typically most effective when run from under center. But Wilson is at his best in the shotgun, which has forced another departure from the McVay philosophy. In 2020, the Rams ranked 30th in shotgun usage, according to Sports Info Solutions. Through Wilson’s first five starts before the finger injury this season, the Seahawks ranked 16th and had already called more shotgun runs than Los Angeles had in all of last year.
It's not some half-baked theory about a HC wanting to move away from what worked well against the Colts because it was so successful.
Wilson playing from the shotgun pretty much came from necessity though. Guy was getting hit within seconds because the line has been awful for years. If you are saying that he's settled in and comfortable in that formation and has trouble adapting to being under center than I can agree with you there. Not sure you can blame him for that habit though.