Is Penny A Bust?

[knownone]

No. He's not a bust yet. His situation is similar to Golden Tate. He has all the talent, but he needs time on the field to figure out how to use it. Unfortunately, injuries and being behind Carson have slowed him down.

 

[Ad Hawk]

Honest question here: if he were traded away and came to life on another team (like Alex Collins did), would people still consider him a bust? Defining terms matters, and labels can be tricky things.

His performance for the Seahawks hasn't been there, mainly because he hasn't been available. Some call that a bust, others won't.

I'll vote on this after his career is done, and not until. The conversation is fine to have. It might be a bit premature, and it might not. His time in the NFL isn't over quite yet.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Honest question here: if he were traded away and came to life on another team (like Alex Collins did), would people still consider him a bust? Defining terms matters, and labels can be tricky things.

His performance for the Seahawks hasn't been there, mainly because he hasn't been available. Some call that a bust, others won't.

I'll vote on this after his career is done, and not until. The conversation is fine to have. It might be a bit premature, and it might not. His time in the NFL isn't over quite yet.

I think year #3 of a #1 draft pick not performing even close to expectations warrants the "B" word.

Penny was drafted to take over the #1 bell cow RB position from Carson so that we don't have to pay Carson 10M and use that cap space elsewhere.

That's why we used a #1 pick on a durable no injury history RB like Penny.

You're right, not his fault he's been injured. But that's how this league works, if you're a first round pick, especially a RB and don't play well? Bust.

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

Yes.

I mean, even if he runs for 1000 yards this year it doesn’t make up for the previous non-existent years.

He was overweight.

Did not compete.

No heart.

Terrible pick from the beginning.

Like it or not, Penny, was a luxury pick and one Seattle did not need in the first round.

Really terrible decision then and Seattle whiffed on what could have been a better contributor pick.

Seattle will not re-sign Penny.

Let him leave.

 

[Ad Hawk]

Honest question here: if he were traded away and came to life on another team (like Alex Collins did), would people still consider him a bust? Defining terms matters, and labels can be tricky things.

His performance for the Seahawks hasn't been there, mainly because he hasn't been available. Some call that a bust, others won't.

I'll vote on this after his career is done, and not until. The conversation is fine to have. It might be a bit premature, and it might not. His time in the NFL isn't over quite yet.

I think year #3 of a #1 draft pick not performing even close to expectations warrants the "B" word.

Penny was drafted to take over the #1 bell cow RB position from Carson so that we don't have to pay Carson 10M and use that cap space elsewhere.

That's why we used a #1 pick on a durable no injury history RB like Penny.

You're right, not his fault he's been injured. But that's how this league works, if you're a first round pick, especially a RB and don't play well? Bust.

Thanks for the reply, Sgt. We did acquire him to bolster the position and take over when Carson inevitably gets injured.

But you didn't really answer my initial question. Is he still a bust if he breaks out, whether with us or on another team?

Mightn't we later come to say, "he wasn't productive for the Hawks," but later have to rescind the "bust" title because it was premature? Patience is certainly a virtue, especially when applying career-spanning adjectives like "bust."

I agree, he could certainly end up one and is on that trajectory. Just not quite yet.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Honest question here: if he were traded away and came to life on another team (like Alex Collins did), would people still consider him a bust? Defining terms matters, and labels can be tricky things.

His performance for the Seahawks hasn't been there, mainly because he hasn't been available. Some call that a bust, others won't.

I'll vote on this after his career is done, and not until. The conversation is fine to have. It might be a bit premature, and it might not. His time in the NFL isn't over quite yet.

I'd consider him a bust but acknowledge the FO could do very little to prevent him busting out, which can be attributed as 95% due to injury. Similar to McDowell. My rub would be the wisdom of taking a running back in the first rather than taking a couple of cracks at it late in the draft. Not a great value proposition, regardless of how badly depth was needed coming out of the historically bad 2017 rushing attack. It seemed reactionary.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

But you didn't really answer my initial question. Is he still a bust if he breaks out, whether with us or on another team?
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He'd have to have a pretty significant career after leaving Seattle for most of us to retract our bust opinion.

Collins was a what, 5th round pick? 6th round pick? So not really a good comparable.

Lynch is probably a better example. I'm sure Bills fans were calling Lynch a bust after 2009. But he did resurrect his career here.......better comp for your question due to draft position and expectations.

 

[Ad Hawk]

But you didn't really answer my initial question. Is he still a bust if he breaks out, whether with us or on another team?
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He'd have to have a pretty significant career after leaving Seattle for most of us to retract our bust opinion.

Collins was a what, 5th round pick? 6th round pick? So not really a good comparable.

Lynch is probably a better example. I'm sure Bills fans were calling Lynch a bust after 2009. But he did resurrect his career here.......better comp for your question due to draft position and expectations.

Lynch is a great example for waiting to apply the label. Good call there.

However, it's also an outlier, right? Penny is really no Marshawn Lynch. While I'd love to see him break out for us this year because that could mean good things for the team (or bad for Carson...), I have my doubts it will happen, as many here do. And if it doesn't, then for his sake personally and professionally, I hope it happens elsewhere.

I'm only using Collins as an example of someone whose later play has been solid after a disappointing start.

I feel the word "bust" is pretty extreme, pejorative, and needs to be used carefully, and only then at the end of a career.

 

[toffee]

I was OK when Pete drafted a RB in the 1st, quite OK with drafting Penny as his college highlights looked good. It went south from there, he report to camp overweight, followed with not having enough competitive spirit to fight for starting job. The same defeated vibe carried on in this camp, gotten worse in pre-season games.

Dude didn't have enough fire to go the next step, at this point after multiple surgeries, not sure if he has enough speed either.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I feel the word "bust" is pretty extreme, pejorative, and needs to be used carefully, and only then at the end of a career.

Well the OP's question is "IS Penny a bust," as in present tense. Not "will Penny be considered a bust at the end of his career?"

So the context is now, not some future date..........and as of now on 8/30/21? How could you not say he's a bust.

I respect you wanting to wait, but that's not the question nor the context of the discussion.

 

[Ad Hawk]

I feel the word "bust" is pretty extreme, pejorative, and needs to be used carefully, and only then at the end of a career.

Well the OP's question is "IS Penny a bust," as in present tense. Not "will Penny be considered a bust at the end of his career?"

So the context is now, not some future date..........and as of now on 8/30/21? How could you not say he's a bust.

I respect you wanting to wait, but that's not the question nor the context of the discussion.

Bust, for me anyway, is a word given at the end of a career, not during it. Otherwise we could use it for individual seasons, individual games, or even plays. That seems silly to me. Is Penny trending that way? Yes. Is he there now? I couldn't say, because of how I use the word.

Again, that's why definitions matter. Aros maybe had a different meaning in mind in the OP. We can throw the word around all we want, but if we disagree on the meaning, we'll just chase each other around trees, or whatever the correct metaphor is. :lol:

 

[AgentDib]

We'd have to win the Super Bowl this season with Penny taking over as the #1 back in order for him not to go down as a disappointing draft pick.

I agree it isn't really anybody's fault; we spent a first round pick on a guy with really good medicals only to have him miss most of his time here due to injury. Unfortunately, the value in that first round pick is the control during the artificially cheap rookie contract with a fifth year option that Penny simply hasn't been able to earn. If Penny does goes on to have a productive career on a second contract then that isn't materially different from us just signing a FA RB.

Penny has been injury prone but I don't agree with labeling him as soft. He fractured a finger, pulled a hamstring and tore an ACL. That sucks, but saying he should man up and play through that kind of stuff is flat out dumb. Whether he can stay healthy and contribute this season is worth many millions of dollars to him down the road, so it's borderline crazy to suggest that the person most upset about another injury this season would not be Rashaad Penny.

 

[Smellyman]

If he’s not a bust at this point then I don’t know what is. Like many, hated the pick the moment it was announced.

Hated the pick too, but he isn't a bust. This is all on Pete and Jon with another reach.

 

[sdog1981]

Injuries unfortunately put him in the bust category.

His career ended because he blew out his knee on the 342nd day of 2019, which is almost two seasons worth of NFL time. Now he is in his 4th year and would need to have a major season just for the hawks to bring him back on a cheap prove it deal.

 

[hawkfan68]

He's a bust, just based on the fact that he's a first rounder and not a 5th.

His stats are first-roundesque except that he's only had 161 rushing attempts in three years. His average YPC (5.1) and reception yardage (9.3) compare favorably to Derrick Henry (5.0 / 9.1).

This is his contract year, so if he can't stay on the field, it will probably be his last in Seattle. On the other hand if he CAN stay on the field I'll take: 322 CAR, 1646 YDS, 5.1 YPC, 10 TDs, 34 REC, 316 YDS, and 2 TDS -- which is what a full season at his career production levels would look like.

Even Lynch didn't have that many carries in a season as a Seahawk. https://www.nfl.com/players/marshawn-lynch/stats/career

 

[nwHawk]

I always wanted him to bust out, but I just don't like his feet or burst. At this point, he's a bust to me. I'll still root for the kids, but if he got cut I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

 

[scutterhawk]

To me?, BOTH Johnson, and Collins showed way more intensity & drive to make the team roster in this last game, so much so, that I hope that NEITHER get sent packing, AND after the opportunities afforded Penny, I just don't have a whole lot of faith in him anymore.

 

[Chawker]

Running between the tackles, hes a bust. Trade value: a can of spam. :34853_doh:

 

[Bigpumpkin]

Being a star NFL RB was never #1 in his mind. Actions speak louder than words.

 

[AKNFidel]

I was happy to get Penny until I realized it was in the first round with Chubb & Michel still on the board. It's notPenny’s fault where he was taken, but he was projected to be 3 rounder and now that appears to be a reach.


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