Is everyone thrilled run, run, pass is coming back?

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Having an attack that runs a lot isn't the problem for me. It's that the Hawks running attack is old school. Need the o-line to win up front and then have a back who pounds it between the tackles. Would anyone complain about a diverse running attack that takes advantage of motion and angles to create huge lanes for the backs.....see Niners, Rams, Ravens etc.
 

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Back to basics. Russ needs to utilize short passes that gets the first down. Especially 3rd & 4 and 3rd &5.


We need to run more.
We need to control the clock more.
We need to stop letting the D play too much. Many teams know that in order to beat the Seahawks, they have to run the ball efficient and they have to control the clock.

We need to stop our opponents with the 2 deep safeties.
We have to exercise short term 1st down throws.
We need to bring the play action back more.

I think with running the ball more, the 2 tight ends would benefit a lot. Talking about Dissly and Hollister and especially Parkinson.
 

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HawkRiderFan":3fs3fe5e said:
Having an attack that runs a lot isn't the problem for me. It's that the Hawks running attack is old school. Need the o-line to win up front and then have a back who pounds it between the tackles. Would anyone complain about a diverse running attack that takes advantage of motion and angles to create huge lanes for the backs.....see Niners, Rams, Ravens etc.


Last season the niners running attack was unreal.

We need to sign their FB.
 

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HawkRiderFan":mjp3uclg said:
Having an attack that runs a lot isn't the problem for me. It's that the Hawks running attack is old school. Need the o-line to win up front and then have a back who pounds it between the tackles. Would anyone complain about a diverse running attack that takes advantage of motion and angles to create huge lanes for the backs.....see Niners, Rams, Ravens etc.

This. Nothing wrong with a run-heavy scheme, we just don't know how to run one properly. How many times have we seen old school dinosaurs pound the ball between the tackles for 2 yards a carry just to check the box and establish some mythical running game? A lot of coaches legitimately seem to think that 35 carries for 90 yards is better than 20 carries for 85 yards. It's infuriating and bizarre to watch and yet we'll be going back to it.
 

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The problem with our running is it's so PREDICTABLE AND BORING. It's predicated on basically at least two adjacent O-linemen just owning their assignments to make a hole because the entire defense always knows exactly what the hell we're doing. We have purposely made our offense's job harder than it needs to be, consistently, for years, under Pete Carroll. I'll be surprised if we don't go back to that...high school-level offensive tactics.
 

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Zap90":27u1oas3 said:
HawkRiderFan":27u1oas3 said:
Having an attack that runs a lot isn't the problem for me. It's that the Hawks running attack is old school. Need the o-line to win up front and then have a back who pounds it between the tackles. Would anyone complain about a diverse running attack that takes advantage of motion and angles to create huge lanes for the backs.....see Niners, Rams, Ravens etc.


Last season the niners running attack was unreal.

We need to sign their FB.

Imagine a running game like that where the D is on its heals not knowing what's coming and then hitting with play action with a QB like Wilson instead of Jimmy G.
 

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Will give PC benefit of the doubt to hire an OC who can implement a more dynamic running game.
 

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We don't run to holes, we run to space, our backs get hit behind or at the line and have to break a tackle to get positive yards a lot, reason Lynch and Carson was and are at the top of yards after contact, also why they get hurt, they take more hits and not able to hit with shoulders and drive until they turn it up.
 

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HawkRiderFan":38xbidb5 said:
Having an attack that runs a lot isn't the problem for me. It's that the Hawks running attack is old school. Need the o-line to win up front and then have a back who pounds it between the tackles. Would anyone complain about a diverse running attack that takes advantage of motion and angles to create huge lanes for the backs.....see Niners, Rams, Ravens etc.



Agreed it is the same with the passing it is not about attempts it is about the type of attempts. During his 5 game run Wilson only avg 2 more attempts a game. It is not about attempts its about the type, timing and tempo
 

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Zap90":qdavoqv1 said:
I am.

Back to basics. Russ needs to utilize short passes that gets the first down. Especially 3rd & 4 and 3rd &5.


We need to run more.
We need to control the clock more.
We need to stop letting the D play too much. Many teams know that in order to beat the Seahawks, they have to run the ball efficient and they have to control the clock.

We need to stop our opponents with the 2 deep safeties.
We have to exercise short term 1st down throws.
We need to bring the play action back more.

I think with running the ball more, the 2 tight ends would benefit a lot. Talking about Dissly and Hollister and especially Parkinson.


Once again Problem is PC hates short passes he wants to run and get chunk plays IE long passes. Also, FYI in first 5 games we did throw short a lot and then went long, PC stopped that
 

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John63":3b4a8b4p said:
Zap90":3b4a8b4p said:
I am.

Back to basics. Russ needs to utilize short passes that gets the first down. Especially 3rd & 4 and 3rd &5.


We need to run more.
We need to control the clock more.
We need to stop letting the D play too much. Many teams know that in order to beat the Seahawks, they have to run the ball efficient and they have to control the clock.

We need to stop our opponents with the 2 deep safeties.
We have to exercise short term 1st down throws.
We need to bring the play action back more.

I think with running the ball more, the 2 tight ends would benefit a lot. Talking about Dissly and Hollister and especially Parkinson.


Once again Problem is PC hates short passes he wants to run and get chunk plays IE long passes. Also, FYI in first 5 games we did throw short a lot and then went long, PC stopped that

Folks keep saying that but I don't remember it. I know that I think we threw less to the te and rb position than in previous years. Which would lead me to believe that in total, the short game was sidined all year. Our early success came on deep shot after deep shot. Fast scoring and high scoring which is part of tge reason the D struggled because TOP was so bad. Bad TOP is not the hallmark of a healthy short passing game.
 

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Absolutely fine. Of the 8 teams left in the playoffs, 5 of them finished in top 10 rushing for the season.

Including, maybe most surprisingly, the Packers, where Aaron Jones & Jamal Williams combined for over 1,600 rushing yards (2,200 total scrimmage yards).

By comparison, our lead back Carson had just 681 rushing yards and 968 total scrimmage yards over 10 games.

Even if we had 2 Chris Carsons we would still have been nowhere near the rushing capabilities of the Packers. The reason Rodgers is looking otherworldly this season is because of the legitimate threat of a run game, and once ours disappeared so did our offense.
 

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HawkRiderFan":3ormqj5w said:
Having an attack that runs a lot isn't the problem for me. It's that the Hawks running attack is old school. Need the o-line to win up front and then have a back who pounds it between the tackles. Would anyone complain about a diverse running attack that takes advantage of motion and angles to create huge lanes for the backs.....see Niners, Rams, Ravens etc.

Bingo.

Playing D against the Seattle O was cake.

   6500516
 

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Every year the fan base bitches and moans about running the ball too much and every year the playoffs teams are usually the best running teams in the league, including the remaining teams that are left after last weekend. Being one of the toughest and most physical in the trenches still wins games in the modern era.
 

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Shoot, I'm hoping to see a lot more pounding the rock. That's the ultimate time of possession game.
The thing that I get tired of is hearing Pete tell us what he's going to do. Then he doesn't do it.
Or, AFTER a loss..... "we should have" gets old.
That being said 12-4 is pretty damn solid for a team that was incredibly inconsistent on offense and their identity.
 

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You mean the run, run again on second and long, and get sacked on 3rd and long, punt offense. Can't wait! Should be exciting.
 

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Never once said run, run, pass. I doubt anybody wants that. Just more of a balanced offense. And not getting cute on 3rd and short. Run the damn ball up the gut on 3rd or 4th and short.
 
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