Is Bevell to blame for much of this teams discontent?

[West TX Hawk]

Very true. The disbelief over the level of stupidity of "The Play" goes far beyond disgruntled Seahawk fans.

Very few are able to defend it. The fact both Pete and Bevell attempted to do so, while I understand their inclination, made them sound almost as dumb as the play itself and had to have grated on more than a few of the players.

At this point I just want us to get another shot.

Hopefully soon.

You and a bunch of nobodies are the smart ones, and Pete & Darryl are "Stupid Ones" ? :roll:

Yeeaah, ok.

I can't imagine calling a fellow poster and fan a "nobody" will ever come across well. Many other "nobody" former NFL players and coaches have also ridiculed the playcall since it happened. Obviously not everyone agrees with your assessment that Carroll and Bevell are beyond reproach.

BTW it's Darrell not "Darryl."

 

[semiahmoo]

Very true. The disbelief over the level of stupidity of "The Play" goes far beyond disgruntled Seahawk fans.

Very few are able to defend it. The fact both Pete and Bevell attempted to do so, while I understand their inclination, made them sound almost as dumb as the play itself and had to have grated on more than a few of the players.

At this point I just want us to get another shot.

Hopefully soon.

You and a bunch of nobodies are the smart ones, and Pete & Darryl are "Stupid Ones" ? :roll:

Yeeaah, ok.

I can't imagine calling a fellow poster and fan a "nobody" will ever come across well. Many other "nobody" former NFL players and coaches have also ridiculed the playcall since it happened. Obviously not everyone agrees with your assessment that Carroll and Bevell are beyond reproach.

BTW it's Darrell not "Darryl."

Well said, West Texas.

 

[Jimjones0384]

I find it pretty pathetic that this much energy is going into an argument over something that happened years ago. It happened, get over it. Stop using it as a reason to sling crap at each other.

 

[chris98251]

Very true. The disbelief over the level of stupidity of "The Play" goes far beyond disgruntled Seahawk fans.

Very few are able to defend it. The fact both Pete and Bevell attempted to do so, while I understand their inclination, made them sound almost as dumb as the play itself and had to have grated on more than a few of the players.

At this point I just want us to get another shot.

Hopefully soon.

You and a bunch of nobodies are the smart ones, and Pete & Darryl are "Stupid Ones" ? :roll:

Yeeaah, ok.

In this instance Bill and the Patriots were the smart ones, after all the won, they countered, they made us look like idiots.

After all you were the one earlier that said how can we lowly people challenge Pete who won us a Super Bowl, I am not, Bill Belichek did and he now has won 5.

Does that make him 5 times as smart as Pete then based on your previous statement?

Here I will put it in here so you can refresh your memory on it.

So, You give credence to a bunch of Know-It-All's, and none to the Coach that got us our FIRST Lombardi.... Check.

 

[semiahmoo]

Very true. The disbelief over the level of stupidity of "The Play" goes far beyond disgruntled Seahawk fans.

Very few are able to defend it. The fact both Pete and Bevell attempted to do so, while I understand their inclination, made them sound almost as dumb as the play itself and had to have grated on more than a few of the players.

At this point I just want us to get another shot.

Hopefully soon.

You and a bunch of nobodies are the smart ones, and Pete & Darryl are "Stupid Ones" ? :roll:

Yeeaah, ok.

In this instance Bill and the Patriots were the smart ones, after all the won, they countered, they made us look like idiots.

After all you were the one earlier that said how can we lowly people challenge Pete who won us a Super Bowl, I am not, Bill Belichek did and he now has won 5.

Does that make him 5 times as smart as Pete then based on your previous statement?

Here I will put it in here so you can refresh your memory on it.

So, You give credence to a bunch of Know-It-All's, and none to the Coach that got us our FIRST Lombardi.... Check.

That is some top-notch court-case skill right there.

I'm with you 100% Why are some so determined to defend that horrible play call?

Baffling.

 

[scutterhawk]

Very true. The disbelief over the level of stupidity of "The Play" goes far beyond disgruntled Seahawk fans.

Very few are able to defend it. The fact both Pete and Bevell attempted to do so, while I understand their inclination, made them sound almost as dumb as the play itself and had to have grated on more than a few of the players.

At this point I just want us to get another shot.

Hopefully soon.

You and a bunch of nobodies are the smart ones, and Pete & Darryl are "Stupid Ones" ? :roll:

Yeeaah, ok.

I can't imagine calling a fellow poster and fan a "nobody" will ever come across well. Many other "nobody" former NFL players and coaches have also ridiculed the playcall since it happened. Obviously not everyone agrees with your assessment that Carroll and Bevell are beyond reproach.

BTW it's Darrell not "Darryl."

I'll leave it to you to fuss over a misspelled name.
Semiahmoo & "Many Other NOBODY Former NFL Players And Coaches" have EVER gotten us a Lombardi....Pete Carroll DID, and therefore?, he is "Beyond Reproach" and gets ALL BENEFIT OF THE DOUBTS, and UNTIL he states that it was a mistake?, Semiahmoo and many other former NFL players and Coaches ARE WRONG.

 

[semiahmoo]

Very true. The disbelief over the level of stupidity of "The Play" goes far beyond disgruntled Seahawk fans.

Very few are able to defend it. The fact both Pete and Bevell attempted to do so, while I understand their inclination, made them sound almost as dumb as the play itself and had to have grated on more than a few of the players.

At this point I just want us to get another shot.

Hopefully soon.

You and a bunch of nobodies are the smart ones, and Pete & Darryl are "Stupid Ones" ? :roll:

Yeeaah, ok.

I can't imagine calling a fellow poster and fan a "nobody" will ever come across well. Many other "nobody" former NFL players and coaches have also ridiculed the playcall since it happened. Obviously not everyone agrees with your assessment that Carroll and Bevell are beyond reproach.

BTW it's Darrell not "Darryl."

I'll leave it to you to fuss over a misspelled name.
Semiahmoo & "Many Other NOBODY Former NFL Players And Coaches" have EVER gotten us a Lombardi....Pete Carroll DID, and therefore?, he is "Beyond Reproach" and gets ALL BENEFIT OF THE DOUBTS, and UNTIL he states that it was a mistake?, Semiahmoo and many other former NFL players and Coaches ARE WRONG.

Hey, I'm just happy to be lumped in with all those NFL hall of fame members!
Thanks!

 

[scutterhawk]

Very true. The disbelief over the level of stupidity of "The Play" goes far beyond disgruntled Seahawk fans.

Very few are able to defend it. The fact both Pete and Bevell attempted to do so, while I understand their inclination, made them sound almost as dumb as the play itself and had to have grated on more than a few of the players.

At this point I just want us to get another shot.

Hopefully soon.

You and a bunch of nobodies are the smart ones, and Pete & Darryl are "Stupid Ones" ? :roll:

Yeeaah, ok.

In this instance Bill and the Patriots were the smart ones, after all the won, they countered, they made us look like idiots.

After all you were the one earlier that said how can we lowly people challenge Pete who won us a Super Bowl, I am not, Bill Belichek did and he now has won 5.

Does that make him 5 times as smart as Pete then based on your previous statement?

Here I will put it in here so you can refresh your memory on it.

So, You give credence to a bunch of Know-It-All's, and none to the Coach that got us our FIRST Lombardi.... Check.

Wilson, Lockette & Kearse BLEW the play call with Shitty execution + Great EXECUTION by Butler, doesn't make Bill and the Patriots the "smart ones"
For those that believe that we should have just handed the ball off to "The Beast" and all would have been successful?...... Lynch had been STOPPED in the backfield several times in that game, so there's NO GUARANTEE that he would have punched it in.
If the Seahawks Defense hadn't been riddled with injuries, and had HELD the Patriots from mounting that 10 point come-back it doesn't boil down to 25 seconds to fix the mess up.
All said & done, Pete got OUR Seahawks to the Super Bowl TWO YEARS IN A ROW, had that PLAY been EXECUTED PROPERLY, everybody here would be singing his praises.
Some of Y'all can quit on Pete if you want, I'm still a believer and one of his biggest fans.

 

[scutterhawk]

I'll leave it to you to fuss over a misspelled name.
Semiahmoo & "Many Other NOBODY Former NFL Players And Coaches" have EVER gotten us a Lombardi....Pete Carroll DID, and therefore?, he is "Beyond Reproach" and gets ALL BENEFIT OF THE DOUBTS, and UNTIL he states that it was a mistake?, Semiahmoo and many other former NFL players and Coaches ARE WRONG.

Hey, I'm just happy to be lumped in with all those NFL hall of fame members!
Thanks!

You're welcome.
Are you content with being WRONG Too? :lol:

 

[mrt144]

Very true. The disbelief over the level of stupidity of "The Play" goes far beyond disgruntled Seahawk fans.

Very few are able to defend it. The fact both Pete and Bevell attempted to do so, while I understand their inclination, made them sound almost as dumb as the play itself and had to have grated on more than a few of the players.

At this point I just want us to get another shot.

Hopefully soon.

You and a bunch of nobodies are the smart ones, and Pete & Darryl are "Stupid Ones" ? :roll:

Yeeaah, ok.

In this instance Bill and the Patriots were the smart ones, after all the won, they countered, they made us look like idiots.

After all you were the one earlier that said how can we lowly people challenge Pete who won us a Super Bowl, I am not, Bill Belichek did and he now has won 5.

Does that make him 5 times as smart as Pete then based on your previous statement?

Here I will put it in here so you can refresh your memory on it.

So, You give credence to a bunch of Know-It-All's, and none to the Coach that got us our FIRST Lombardi.... Check.

Wilson, Lockette & Kearse BLEW the play call with Shitty execution + Great EXECUTION by Butler, doesn't make Bill and the Patriots the "smart ones"
For those that believe that we should have just handed the ball off to "The Beast" and all would have been successful?...... Lynch had been STOPPED in the backfield several times in that game, so there's NO GUARANTEE that he would have punched it in.
If the Seahawks Defense hadn't been riddled with injuries, and had HELD the Patriots from mounting that 10 point come-back it doesn't boil down to 25 seconds to fix the mess up.
All said & done, Pete got OUR Seahawks to the Super Bowl TWO YEARS IN A ROW, had that PLAY been EXECUTED PROPERLY, everybody here would be singing his praises.
Some of Y'all can quit on Pete if you want, I'm still a believer and one of his biggest fans.

Why do players not execute properly on any given play?

Ponder it for a few days and get back to us.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

So, is it just possible that sometimes the other team makes a great play? Whoa...

 

[mrt144]

So, is it just possible that sometimes the other team makes a great play? Whoa...

Shhhhhhhh, he needs to figure this out on his own.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Very true. The disbelief over the level of stupidity of "The Play" goes far beyond disgruntled Seahawk fans.

Very few are able to defend it. The fact both Pete and Bevell attempted to do so, while I understand their inclination, made them sound almost as dumb as the play itself and had to have grated on more than a few of the players.

At this point I just want us to get another shot.

Hopefully soon.

You and a bunch of nobodies are the smart ones, and Pete & Darryl are "Stupid Ones" ? :roll:

Yeeaah, ok.

In this instance Bill and the Patriots were the smart ones, after all the won, they countered, they made us look like idiots.

After all you were the one earlier that said how can we lowly people challenge Pete who won us a Super Bowl, I am not, Bill Belichek did and he now has won 5.

Does that make him 5 times as smart as Pete then based on your previous statement?

Here I will put it in here so you can refresh your memory on it.

So, You give credence to a bunch of Know-It-All's, and none to the Coach that got us our FIRST Lombardi.... Check.

Wilson, Lockette & Kearse BLEW the play call with Shitty execution + Great EXECUTION by Butler, doesn't make Bill and the Patriots the "smart ones"
For those that believe that we should have just handed the ball off to "The Beast" and all would have been successful?...... Lynch had been STOPPED in the backfield several times in that game, so there's NO GUARANTEE that he would have punched it in.
If the Seahawks Defense hadn't been riddled with injuries, and had HELD the Patriots from mounting that 10 point come-back it doesn't boil down to 25 seconds to fix the mess up.
All said & done, Pete got OUR Seahawks to the Super Bowl TWO YEARS IN A ROW, had that PLAY been EXECUTED PROPERLY, everybody here would be singing his praises.
Some of Y'all can quit on Pete if you want, I'm still a believer and one of his biggest fans.

Sorry, this play call was on Bevell and Pete more than it was on Lockette, and Wilson. The main issue here is that the Patriots had been practicing against this same exact play. Butler got burned by it in practice, and Browner/Billy B coached Butler up. The Patriots knew exactly what was coming at the goalline. To make matters worse, this is one of the only plays we run in this formation in short yardage situations. It was telegraphed, and the Patriots played the match ups brilliantly. The play was blown up at the very start, Browner killed it when he got a hold of Kearse. This is to be expected, given that Browner specializes in blowing up these kind of plays. The Patriots put their players in a position to succeed, we didn't. Again, Browner is the real story here, not Butler.

As far as running goes, we were right there on the goal line. The Patriots had one of the worst goal line defenses against the run that year. We had several opportunities to run it in. Lynch had recently been popping off, he was the hot player at the moment. I wouldn't have minded a throw, just not what we did given how telegraphed it was. I do think we should have at least given Lynch a shot to run it in. It was the safest play, and the one most likely of succeeding in my opinion.

 

[West TX Hawk]

Very true. The disbelief over the level of stupidity of "The Play" goes far beyond disgruntled Seahawk fans.

Very few are able to defend it. The fact both Pete and Bevell attempted to do so, while I understand their inclination, made them sound almost as dumb as the play itself and had to have grated on more than a few of the players.

At this point I just want us to get another shot.

Hopefully soon.

You and a bunch of nobodies are the smart ones, and Pete & Darryl are "Stupid Ones" ? :roll:

Yeeaah, ok.

In this instance Bill and the Patriots were the smart ones, after all the won, they countered, they made us look like idiots.

After all you were the one earlier that said how can we lowly people challenge Pete who won us a Super Bowl, I am not, Bill Belichek did and he now has won 5.

Does that make him 5 times as smart as Pete then based on your previous statement?

Here I will put it in here so you can refresh your memory on it.

So, You give credence to a bunch of Know-It-All's, and none to the Coach that got us our FIRST Lombardi.... Check.

Wilson, Lockette & Kearse BLEW the play call with Shitty execution + Great EXECUTION by Butler, doesn't make Bill and the Patriots the "smart ones"
For those that believe that we should have just handed the ball off to "The Beast" and all would have been successful?...... Lynch had been STOPPED in the backfield several times in that game, so there's NO GUARANTEE that he would have punched it in.
If the Seahawks Defense hadn't been riddled with injuries, and had HELD the Patriots from mounting that 10 point come-back it doesn't boil down to 25 seconds to fix the mess up.
All said & done, Pete got OUR Seahawks to the Super Bowl TWO YEARS IN A ROW, had that PLAY been EXECUTED PROPERLY, everybody here would be singing his praises.
Some of Y'all can quit on Pete if you want, I'm still a believer and one of his biggest fans.

Lynch ran for 4 yards the previous play and had 104 for the game. Every RB is going to be "stopped" for no gain or a loss a couple times a game no matter how spectacular of a game they're having. But giving it to Lynch offered the best odds in that situation.

The SB and a chance at a legacy was on the line and conventional wisdom, played out over 100 years of pro sports, dictates you give the ball to your best player in this scenario and gamble his strengths will outmatch your opponent even if they expect it (See Lombardi running up the gut against Dallas in the Ice Bowl and the Colts giving it to Ameche, their star RB in in the '58 title game, etc.). Instead Bevell/Pete opted to lay it all on the line with a player with 18 career receptions and a 6'1 200 Kearse expected to block 6'4 220 Browner-the most physical corner in the game. You want experience in this situation and Lockette did not have it as a WR and Kearse was overmatched.

If Lynch is stuffed, you have a timeout and get to try again. If he fumbles then you still went down with your very best and have no regrets. Instead, Bevell/Pete wasted time and the whole offense looked confused pre-snap as Browner read the play, signaled for Butler to attack Lockette (as they practiced repeatedly-see the youtube film) and devastation followed.

 

[semiahmoo]

And that ain't no spin, Spin Doctor.

You are right on all sides of this.

We were out-coached at a time when we could not afford to be.

It cost us a repeat Super Bowl.

We've been something of a muddled mess of a team ever since and as this offseason is proving out, far more volatile behind the scenes than many chose to believe.

It's Pete's last hurrah IMO.

I'm pulling for the guy. I'd love to see him turn this decline into a kick butt winning season where opposing teams actually fear us again.

That won't be easy though...

 

[nash72]

I'll leave it to you to fuss over a misspelled name.
Semiahmoo & "Many Other NOBODY Former NFL Players And Coaches" have EVER gotten us a Lombardi....Pete Carroll DID, and therefore?, he is "Beyond Reproach" and gets ALL BENEFIT OF THE DOUBTS, and UNTIL he states that it was a mistake?, Semiahmoo and many other former NFL players and Coaches ARE WRONG.

Wow. Just wow.

 

[semiahmoo]

I'll leave it to you to fuss over a misspelled name.
Semiahmoo & "Many Other NOBODY Former NFL Players And Coaches" have EVER gotten us a Lombardi....Pete Carroll DID, and therefore?, he is "Beyond Reproach" and gets ALL BENEFIT OF THE DOUBTS, and UNTIL he states that it was a mistake?, Semiahmoo and many other former NFL players and Coaches ARE WRONG.

Wow. Just wow.

I know, right?

I wonder if he's just putting us on here.

That comment made me laugh so if that is what he intended, I'm grateful for the comedy!

 

[nash72]

Lynch ran for 4 yards the previous play and had 104 for the game. Every RB is going to be "stopped" for no gain or a loss a couple times a game no matter how spectacular of a game they're having. But giving it to Lynch offered the best odds in that situation.

The SB and a chance at a legacy was on the line and conventional wisdom, played out over 100 years of pro sports, dictates you give the ball to your best player in this scenario and gamble his strengths will outmatch your opponent even if they expect it (See Lombardi running up the gut against Dallas in the Ice Bowl and the Colts giving it to Ameche, their star RB in in the '58 title game, etc.). Instead Bevell/Pete opted to lay it all on the line with a player with 18 career receptions and a 6'1 200 Kearse expected to block 6'4 220 Browner-the most physical corner in the game. You want experience in this situation and Lockette did not have it as a WR and Kearse was overmatched.

If Lynch is stuffed, you have a timeout and get to try again. If he fumbles then you still went down with your very best and have no regrets. Instead, Bevell/Pete wasted time and the whole offense looked confused pre-snap as Browner read the play, signaled for Butler to attack Lockette (as they practiced repeatedly-see the youtube film) and devastation followed.

Best post in this entire thread. Seriously well done.

 

[semiahmoo]

Lynch ran for 4 yards the previous play and had 104 for the game. Every RB is going to be "stopped" for no gain or a loss a couple times a game no matter how spectacular of a game they're having. But giving it to Lynch offered the best odds in that situation.

The SB and a chance at a legacy was on the line and conventional wisdom, played out over 100 years of pro sports, dictates you give the ball to your best player in this scenario and gamble his strengths will outmatch your opponent even if they expect it (See Lombardi running up the gut against Dallas in the Ice Bowl and the Colts giving it to Ameche, their star RB in in the '58 title game, etc.). Instead Bevell/Pete opted to lay it all on the line with a player with 18 career receptions and a 6'1 200 Kearse expected to block 6'4 220 Browner-the most physical corner in the game. You want experience in this situation and Lockette did not have it as a WR and Kearse was overmatched.

If Lynch is stuffed, you have a timeout and get to try again. If he fumbles then you still went down with your very best and have no regrets. Instead, Bevell/Pete wasted time and the whole offense looked confused pre-snap as Browner read the play, signaled for Butler to attack Lockette (as they practiced repeatedly-see the youtube film) and devastation followed.

Best post in this entire thread. Seriously well done.

Yup. Thread winner right there.

Done. Lock this baby up!

 

[NJlargent]

The two things about the "play" that annoy me most are 1) saying Butler made some amazing play to diffuse the stupidity of the call and 2) saying that because our coaches defended it, the call was correct despite the overwhelming majority of other professionals calling it the worst call in SB history.

I would think Sherman and Lynch saying it was a terrible call carries more weight since they were actually the reason for us getting a Lombardi.