I'm so tired of bevell....

[Zebulon Dak]

I'd chime in here, but I'd just be ordered to list the candidates to replace him that are better.

Well it's definitely an element of the discussion that's missing and would provide a good bit of value.

 

[Hasselbeck]

I'd chime in here, but I'd just be ordered to list the candidates to replace him that are better.

1. Madden 15 Sim Engine

 

[West TX Hawk]

What in everyone's opinion are the odds that Bevell is back again next year-does he really have a legitimate chance to be hired as HC somewhere? Out of curiosity does anyone know PC's history in terminating coordinators in the past? It seems PC is a very loyal coach especially with his assistants.

 

[Zebulon Dak]

I'd chime in here, but I'd just be ordered to list the candidates to replace him that are better.

1. Madden 15 Sim Engine

2. My little brother

 

[AgentDib]

PC isn't holding onto Bevell because of loyalty. He brought Bates with him from USC and dumped him immediately after the first season when Bates wasn't following Pete's vision of a ball control run driven offense. Pete has enormous loyalty towards his guys that are doing what he wants them to do, but he doesn't keep screw ups around just because they have been on his team in the past.

I think it is natural to expect a higher standard for opposing viewpoints then your own. There have been plenty of lazy arguments on both sides with zero specifics, but if we restricted opinions to those with detailed examples this place would have perhaps three posts per day. Personally, I think the burden of proof tends to be on the internet expert rather than the employed offensive coordinator. Speculation doesn't hurt anything though, and I am as interested in concrete explanations for our offensive suckitude as anybody is.

I really hated the fade call because of the personnel involved. I would have lived with it to Willson or Moeki but how many fades has Baldwin ever caught from RW, has ever happened before? The rest of the game was called pretty well. It sucked our OLine couldn't create push to let Marshawn punch it in without Unger, but at the time I wanted to see Lynch get a shot at it. You know that if we hadn't tried it would have been the major criticism and anybody saying "well unger was out" would have been labeled the Bevell apologist instead.

 

[Zebulon Dak]

I agree with pretty much everything you said, Dib, except Baldwin has in fact caught a fade route from the slot for a TD for sure at least one time, vs the 9ers in '12. Golden Tate also had one last year @ ATL. Obviously we'd all prefer to have Big Mike Williams or somebody with that kind of size do it.

 

[AgentDib]

Thanks for the tip, I'll check out that game again. I'm not sure why I trust Tate so much more on that kind of stuff. It's not the measurables and I think Baldwin plays with a ton of heart and passion. I guess Tate just has freakish hands.

 

[AgentDib]

Here's the link for the Baldwin TD catch. Really good work by both Baldwin and Wilson there, perfect throw and good separation and catch.

 

[Zebulon Dak]

Here's the link for the Baldwin TD catch. Really good work by both Baldwin and Wilson there, perfect throw and good separation and catch.

It was a thing of beauty. I was about 20 rows up right behind that corner of the end zone. I'll never forget it.

 

[pehawk]

Here's the link for the Baldwin TD catch. Really good work by both Baldwin and Wilson there, perfect throw and good separation and catch.

It was a thing of beauty. I was about 20 rows up right behind that corner of the end zone. I'll never forget it.

That seems like ages ago. I'll stick with not liking the fade route due to not seeing Wilson being on point for the past four games. In fact, this is most likely Wilson's worst year as a pro, form a pure passing perspective. His failed execution is a lot to blame, no doubt. But at some point, after 10 games, I'd expect plays called to what he's doing well TODAY, not yesterday.

That's what I mean by "situational" issues. Wilson connecting on any type of a timing throw just isn't his strongest suit this year. In that situation, I'd rather go with something he has, or the team has, been executing well presently. Not something they executed well a year, or two years ago. Get Wilson in space, bootleg, which caters to his strong points this year, and compensates for small receivers not beating man and a line that's iffy. Call a play, in a crucial time, which caters to the personnel you have.

I remember in 2012 Browner and Sherman came out after the Lions game upset they went zone in the 4th against the Lions. Their point was "let us lose doing what we do well, if we get beat, we get beat, but play to our strengths". Browner was right. Gus was asking a press man secondary to play zone, and they got shredded.

That's what's frustrating. I've given him a pass the past few weeks, because they're installing an entirely new offense. But, ya know, Sunday, man, it was bad.

Also, using your logic here Zeb, we should've never gotten rid of Rick Mirer, or Hass. I mean, they made good throws a few times, so, why not let them keep doing it? I can find a link.

 

[Zebulon Dak]

Hahaha oh fack oaf. I already said I wasn't a fan of the fade route in that situ either. But people keep acting like it's never happened when in fact it has, and not with Kelly Stouffer and Tommy Kane, but with the actual exact same players and coaches that tried it yesterday.

 

[pehawk]

Hahaha oh fack oaf. I already said I wasn't a fan of the fade route in that situ either. But people keep acting like it's never happened when in fact it has, and not with Kelly Stouffer and Tommy Kane, but with the actual exact same players and coaches that tried it yesterday.

Well, some of us have been pointing out examples like that fade route every week. Maybe it gets lost in the Johnny Comelately Types posting, but, there's reason to question what Bevell calls at times, for sure.

 

[Zebulon Dak]

there's reason to question what Bevell calls at times, for sure.

I've never disagreed with that; not once, not never.

 

[pehawk]

there's reason to question what Bevell calls at times, for sure.

I've never disagreed with that; not once, not never.

When it happens at bad times, that's just bad. The SD, Denver and Dallas games had some glaring "WT $%&^!!!" moments.

I've never once questioned a play caller before Bevell. Never.

 

[Zebulon Dak]

I've never once questioned a play caller before Bevell. Never.

I have. Every single game since I was old enough to understand the game.

 

[pehawk]

I've never once questioned a play caller before Bevell. Never.

I have. Every single game since I was old enough to understand the game.

Pfft, I'll trust the fans who write for B/R or the paid coaches anyday.

 

[Zebulon Dak]

I've never once questioned a play caller before Bevell. Never.

I have. Every single game since I was old enough to understand the game.

Pfft, I'll trust the fans who write for B/R or the paid coaches anyday.

:hmmmm:

 

[Zebulon Dak]

My favorite playcall was the 5 yard loss on 1st down with a bubble screen to Baldwin inside the 10 after powering downfield 80 something yards.

Have you rewatched that play? I swear Russell calls and audible or makes some kind of presnap adjustment or something, and on top of that it wasn't the regular, run of the mill bubble screen, it was a quick fake pitch/hand off/thing to Marshawn, who seemed to be confused about what was going on after Russell made the presnap call, and then a full 360 degree turnaround before he throws the ball, and the KC defender stuck with Doug the whole way and made a good play. I would love to know what the actual play was called originally, or if Russell's presnap action was just a ruse and not an actual audible or adjustment.

Either way, after a drive that was 90% runs, a bubble screen isn't really all that bad of a call, all things considered. That play was interesting though, there seemed to be more going on than a simple bubble screen play call IMO.

 

[DavidSeven]

My favorite playcall was the 5 yard loss on 1st down with a bubble screen to Baldwin inside the 10 after powering downfield 80 something yards.

Have you rewatched that play? I swear Russell calls and audible or makes some kind of presnap adjustment or something, and on top of that it wasn't the regular, run of the mill bubble screen, it was a quick fake pitch to Marshawn, who seemed to be confused about what was going on after Russell made the presnap call, and then a full 360 degree turnaround before he throws the ball, and the KC defender stuck with Doug the whole way and made a good play. I would love to know what the actual play was called originally, or if Russell's presnap action was just a ruse and not an actual audible or adjustment.

Either way, after a drive that was 90% runs, a bubble screen isn't really all that bad of a call, all things considered. That play was interesting though, there seemed to be more going on than a simple bubble screen play call IMO.

It definitely looked like Wilson audibled to that play to me as well. Just based on Lynch's befuddlement after Wilson communicated the audible, I would venture to guess that the call from the sideline was a run (but obviously can't say for sure).

 

[Zebulon Dak]

I just rewatched the entire game and some of you guys are trippin. Bevell called a pretty simple, solid game with a few exceptions. We ran 3 "bubble screens", one of which was a weird audible by Russel in the 1st half that sucked and went for -5, one to Kearse that went for no gain, and one that went for 8 yards to PRich. (+3 yds total, by my count; not great, but not awful or ultimately detrimental. If I missed that 4th one for -16 that White Devil mentioned that's my bad, just let me know) The 4th down fade was questionable, obviously, but it's worked before and I really think they were hoping for a PI. Sucks that it was 4th down and they didn't get the call, but whatever. We left them on the 1 foot line and let the defense handle it from there.

4th & 19 was 4th & 19, virtually not convertible in the NFL unless a defense is caught sleeping or you get super lucky.

We stuck to the run, Russell didn't have much time to let routes develop on the passing plays, if the WR's were able to develop them at all, but still made some plays. The TD to Moeaki was perfectly called an executed. KC played really good defense, passing in particular. Our D gave up a lot of yardage on the ground and we lost by 4, on the road, in KC, in sub-freezing temps.

If you put this game on Bevell you're an amateur or have a vendetta, plain and simple.