If Sundell starts at centre

[hox]

Most Offensive lineman take 3-4 years to "get it."

This is mentioned a lot but somehow fails to apply when it comes to Seattle. How many of these players "got it" after 3 years? Since 2013, it's a high miss rate even for "3-4 year" players.

Year	Round	Player	Position	Consistent Starter for Seahawks?
2013	7	Ryan Seymour	G	No
2014	2	Justin Britt	OT/C/G	Yes (multi-year starter, 93 games)
2014	6	Garrett Scott	OT	No (career ended before playing)
2015	4	Terry Poole	OT	No
2015	6	Kristjan Sokoli	C/G	No
2016	1	Germain Ifedi	OT	Yes (60 starts at RT)
2016	3	Rees Odhiambo	G/T	No (spot starter only)
2017	2	Ethan Pocic	C/G	Yes (40+ starts at C/G)
2017	6	Justin Senior	OT	No (never played a game)
2018	5	Jamarco Jones	OT	No (mostly depth)
2019	4	Phil Haynes	G	Partial (rotational starter, ~20 starts)
2020	3	Damien Lewis	G	Yes (full-time LG starter 2020–23)
2021	6	Stone Forsythe	OT	No (depth only)
2022	1	Charles Cross	OT	Yes (starting LT since rookie year)
2022	3	Abraham Lucas	OT	Yes (starting RT when healthy)

So when it comes to Bradford... Maybe he got it? We haven't seen this line when they're playing from behind yet, or on obvious passing situations. Haynes, I doubt he will "get it" anytime soon based on reports. That they are looking to bring in another guard for depth doesn't bode well for him.

 

[IndyHawk]

 

[oldhawkfan]

This is mentioned a lot but somehow fails to apply when it comes to Seattle. How many of these players "got it" after 3 years? Since 2013, it's a high miss rate even for "3-4 year" players.

Year	Round	Player	Position	Consistent Starter for Seahawks?
2013	7	Ryan Seymour	G	No
2014	2	Justin Britt	OT/C/G	Yes (multi-year starter, 93 games)
2014	6	Garrett Scott	OT	No (career ended before playing)
2015	4	Terry Poole	OT	No
2015	6	Kristjan Sokoli	C/G	No
2016	1	Germain Ifedi	OT	Yes (60 starts at RT)
2016	3	Rees Odhiambo	G/T	No (spot starter only)
2017	2	Ethan Pocic	C/G	Yes (40+ starts at C/G)
2017	6	Justin Senior	OT	No (never played a game)
2018	5	Jamarco Jones	OT	No (mostly depth)
2019	4	Phil Haynes	G	Partial (rotational starter, ~20 starts)
2020	3	Damien Lewis	G	Yes (full-time LG starter 2020–23)
2021	6	Stone Forsythe	OT	No (depth only)
2022	1	Charles Cross	OT	Yes (starting LT since rookie year)
2022	3	Abraham Lucas	OT	Yes (starting RT when healthy)

So when it comes to Bradford... Maybe he got it? We haven't seen this line when they're playing from behind yet, or on obvious passing situations. Haynes, I doubt he will "get it" anytime soon based on reports. That they are looking to bring in another guard for depth doesn't bode well for him.

That’s about a 40% hit rate according to your list. Considering about 50% of first round picks don’t pan out, I’d say this is pretty good. Taking into consideration the under 50% hit rate, this list has a 100% hit rate on offensive linemen drafted in the first three rounds.

 

[hox]

That’s about a 40% hit rate according to your list. Considering about 50% of first round picks don’t pan out, I’d say this is pretty good. Taking into consideration the under 50% hit rate, this list has a 100% hit rate on offensive linemen drafted in the first three rounds.

This makes sense.

 

[LeveeBreak]

That’s about a 40% hit rate according to your list. Considering about 50% of first round picks don’t pan out, I’d say this is pretty good. Taking into consideration the under 50% hit rate, this list has a 100% hit rate on offensive linemen drafted in the first three rounds.

And the avg draft round for all those misses is ~5.4, with a single 3rd factored into that. I'm with ya...doesn't pass the sniff test for an insight.

We could talk about the quality of play for most of those that saw the field. But that's a diff discussion.

 

[nanomoz]

This is mentioned a lot but somehow fails to apply when it comes to Seattle. How many of these players "got it" after 3 years? Since 2013, it's a high miss rate even for "3-4 year" players.

Year	Round	Player	Position	Consistent Starter for Seahawks?
2013	7	Ryan Seymour	G	No
2014	2	Justin Britt	OT/C/G	Yes (multi-year starter, 93 games)
2014	6	Garrett Scott	OT	No (career ended before playing)
2015	4	Terry Poole	OT	No
2015	6	Kristjan Sokoli	C/G	No
2016	1	Germain Ifedi	OT	Yes (60 starts at RT)
2016	3	Rees Odhiambo	G/T	No (spot starter only)
2017	2	Ethan Pocic	C/G	Yes (40+ starts at C/G)
2017	6	Justin Senior	OT	No (never played a game)
2018	5	Jamarco Jones	OT	No (mostly depth)
2019	4	Phil Haynes	G	Partial (rotational starter, ~20 starts)
2020	3	Damien Lewis	G	Yes (full-time LG starter 2020–23)
2021	6	Stone Forsythe	OT	No (depth only)
2022	1	Charles Cross	OT	Yes (starting LT since rookie year)
2022	3	Abraham Lucas	OT	Yes (starting RT when healthy)

So when it comes to Bradford... Maybe he got it? We haven't seen this line when they're playing from behind yet, or on obvious passing situations. Haynes, I doubt he will "get it" anytime soon based on reports. That they are looking to bring in another guard for depth doesn't bode well for him.

Add Glowinski to this list. He was awesome in Indiannapolis.

 

[nanomoz]

At this point, I'd rather give a roster spot to Cabledue, Richman, or Laumea than Christian Haynes. I did have high hopes for him.

I've begun to suspect the player that Macdonald unloaded on early last training camp was Haynes. He said something to the effect of, "if it wasn't for your contract I'd cut your ass." I think Nemhauser and Dugar reported this. Not who it was. But the event.

But using deduction, how Haynes was in the dog house from the get go, it seems to fit. There was also some suggestion it was a trench player.

Haynes's problem (play strength) hasn't gotten better, even though it's been the knock on him since UConn. He'll never have a better opportunity to win a job in the right scheme again. He was given every opportunity this year.

I'd try to get him onto the practice squad, but it seems like the other dudes are more likely to pan out. They also seem like a better fit in terms of toughness and demeanor.

I'm not too bothered about it, since the previous year's 4th rounder (Bradford) seems to be getting it. Bradford is also (surprisingly) younger than Haynes.

Don't fall for sunk cost fallacy, John. Go with the better football players.

 

[hox]

And the avg draft round for all those misses is ~5.4, with a single 3rd factored into that. I'm with ya...doesn't pass the sniff test for an insight.

The insight is as oldhawkfan pointed out - you draft lineman in the first three rounds, and you will tend to have a higher hit rate. (vs drafting in late rounds, waiting "3 years" and hoping they will develop into serviceable starters). Track record is that hasn't been the case for Seattle.

 

[glenwo2]

We can just tell Jerry Jones that Olu is from Arkansas and see if we can get Micah Parsons for him. In Jerry all things are possible.

He might actually go for this.

 

[FrodosFinger]

So if he gets the start at C, when Cross is back does our line lineup like this:

LT - Cross
LG- Zabel
C - Sundell
RG - Bradford / Haynes
RT - Lucas

In this case are we starting 5 guys on their rookie deals? That has to be pretty unusual if not a first

They brought in Risner for workout for depth because Haynes has been taking 3rd team reps at camp and practice behind Cabledue lol. Haynes is getting his fat ass cut on Monday I bet. Bradford is finally living up to the hype and is having a terrific camp.

 

[OneLofaTatupu]

Re sign Lucas before his payday gets outta hand

Probably cross too but we picked up 5th year option.

 

[NoGain]

I'd have no problem with them cutting Haynes if MM hasn't liked what he's seen. It seems like he wants guys who are with the program, all in. It's clear he's building a culture, and has a clear idea of what that means to him. It's the hidden x-factor, I believe, the thing that might well be the thing that propels us to exceeding expectations. It's no surprise to me that both Geno and DK are ex-Hawks now. It's clear to me that MM wasn't married to either of them.

Just a general feeling I've got.

 

[olyfan63]

If Jalen Sundell starts at Center...
He'll be able to support his sister Serena Sundell until/if she's able to get a permanent gig in the WNBA.
Some pundits thought she would be the poor man's Caitlin Clark, and should be a first round pick.
The Seattle Storm drafted her in the 3rd round, only to release her a month later and leave her unemployed.

Anyway, Jalen Sundell for sure comes from an athletic family, primarily basketball, as both his parents were college basketball players and his dad and his sister were also champion high jumpers. If anything, assuming he competed in basketball at a high level as a youth, the variety of sports muscle and connective tissue development could help him avoid injury better than single-sport athletes. IIRC Sundell was a Left Tackle in college. To go from Division II UDFA to making the 53 out of camp while changing positions is a pretty big deal, it says he's athletic, coachable, and smart. Against KC, he showed very well at the Center position. I'm hoping that's what the team does. Olu has had his chances and is a solid backup in any case.

YES to Sundell at C, Bradford at RG, Zabel at LG, and tackles Cross and Lucas. Finally, with good coaching, the Seahawks will have an actual GOOD offensive line and even some depth.

 

[rjdriver]

CentER

(relax, it's a joke)

I took offence, it was very off colour.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Living Colour rocks

 

[Lagartixa]

If he played centre would he be playing in the UK?

Definitely somewhere that the archaic dialects are spoken and the archaic, more French-like, spellings of words ("theatre," etc.) are used. The correct spelling in the United States is "center."

Yes, this is light trolling of our friends from other former parts of the British Empire, especially the English, but it is intended in a good-natured way, a joking response to the way some English people like to troll us with gems like "Americans don't speak English; they speak American." I'm basically replying with "Nah, dawg. We speak the modern language. You're still speaking the archaic dialects!"

Wanna talk archaic? Some of their spellings are actually more Latin-like than French-like. "Fæces"? Really? In the 21st Century? BENE, PROAVUS! (That's Latin for "OK, Great-grandpa!") That is, some of the spelling quirks in the U.K. (and, to be fair, most of the rest of the places formerly subjugated as parts of the British Empire) are not left over from the Normans 950-odd years ago. They're left over from the frickin' Romans, who pulled out of Britain 1615 years back.

I say I'm joking, so I want to state clearly the non-joking reality. "Center" is technically the correct spelling in the USA, but given that a significant fraction (and possibly a majority) of native speakers of English in the USA now can't do basic verb conjugation according to the current recognized grammatical rules of U.S. English (past participles are a disaster - I read and hear crap like "should have ran" or "needs to be ran" all the time from native speakers, including some pretty smart ones), we probably shouldn't worry too much about the order of the last two letters in the word "center."

Also, we have friends here from the U.K., Australia, and Canada, and I'm not going to seriously tell them "centre" is wrong if one of them writes it. In fact, it occurs to me now that the middle part of the handle of the OP, @HawkRiderFan, might be a reference to the Saskatchewan Roughriders, in which case the OP was very likely using the correct spelling from where the OP was educated.

Having been educated in the USA, I prefer the modern U.S. spellings over the archaic U.K.-and-most-of-the-rest-of-the-former-Empire spellings, so yeah, I would have written "center," but it's not like I was confused and didn't know what the original post's title meant.

ObOL: As others have said in this thread, it's a young OL and one that was built without any expensive free-agent signings or trades. Those are really good things. Still, I've been fooled before (more than once, I'm embarrassed to say) into thinking the OL would be good enough and then seen during the season that it wasn't even close, so I'm waiting to see. Young and inexpensively acquired are good things, but aren't that good if the line is awful again.

 

[olyfan63]

Definitely somewhere that the archaic dialects are spoken and the archaic, more French-like, spellings of words ("theatre," etc.) are used. The correct spelling in the United States is "center."

Yes, this is light trolling of our friends from other former parts of the British Empire, especially the English, but it is intended in a good-natured way, a joking response to the way some English people like to troll us with gems like "Americans don't speak English; they speak American." I'm basically replying with "Nah, dawg. We speak the modern language. You're still speaking the archaic dialects!"

Wanna talk archaic? Some of their spellings are actually more Latin-like than French-like. "Fæces"? Really? In the 21st Century? BENE, PROAVUS! (That's Latin for "OK, Great-grandpa!") That is, some of the spelling quirks in the U.K. (and, to be fair, most of the rest of the places formerly subjugated as parts of the British Empire) are not left over from the Normans 950-odd years ago. They're left over from the frickin' Romans, who pulled out of Britain 1615 years back.

I say I'm joking, so I want to state clearly the non-joking reality. "Center" is technically the correct spelling in the USA, but given that a significant fraction (and possibly a majority) of native speakers of English in the USA now can't do basic verb conjugation according to the current recognized grammatical rules of U.S. English (past participles are a disaster - I read and hear crap like "should have ran" or "needs to be ran" all the time from native speakers, including some pretty smart ones), we probably shouldn't worry too much about the order of the last two letters in the word "center."

Also, we have friends here from the U.K., Australia, and Canada, and I'm not going to seriously tell them "centre" is wrong if one of them writes it. In fact, it occurs to me now that the middle part of the handle of the OP, @HawkRiderFan, might be a reference to the Saskatchewan Roughriders, in which case the OP was very likely using the correct spelling from where the OP was educated.

Having been educated in the USA, I prefer the modern U.S. spellings over the archaic U.K.-and-most-of-the-rest-of-the-former-Empire spellings, so yeah, I would have written "center," but it's not like I was confused and didn't know what the original post's title meant.

ObOL: As others have said in this thread, it's a young OL and one that was built without any expensive free-agent signings or trades. Those are really good things. Still, I've been fooled before (more than once, I'm embarrassed to say) into thinking the OL would be good enough and then seen during the season that it wasn't even close, so I'm waiting to see. Young and inexpensively acquired are good things, but aren't that good if the line is awful again.

Why you little ripper! You speak American! Brilliant for a Porty-speaker. No idea if that's a real term. When in Australia for a couple weeks, I had to learn to overtake my mates running off the pitch to be first in line at the bubbler. Even learned to drive on the wrong side of the road in Sydney. That first day, though, I got flipped off a few times during rush hour, going too slow in those narrow, narrow lanes, 3 lanes per side, no shoulder, trying not to collide with anyone.