If Richardson were available at 5, would the Hawks have selected him?

[MizzouHawkGal]

Holy blast from the past.

Welcome back.

Hi River hope things are going well

 

[Jac]

Rumor was they liked Young. But they weren't willing to give up the farm for the #1 pick. Not with Geno in the fold.

If Young was available at 5, would they have taken him? It's highly likely.

Why is it 'highly likely' this time? Neither were available at #5. So you selectively believe this rumor and not another?

 

[Recon_Hawk]

Rumor was they liked Young. But they weren't willing to give up the farm for the #1 pick. Not with Geno in the fold.

If Young was available at 5, would they have taken him? It's highly likely.

I agree, it would have been hard to pass on Young (or Stroud or AR imo)

However, if the rumor on Young was true, doesn't that dispute the idea that Seattle had just two prospects on their board they were willing to stay at #5 for?

The post draft comment from John, and reporting from Brady Henderson, makes sense if they weren't drafting any of the QBs. It makes a lot less sense if Young was a strong possibility if he was there.

 

[Jac]

I agree, it would have been hard to pass on Young (or Stroud or AR imo)

However, if the rumor on Young was true, doesn't that dispute the idea that Seattle had just two prospects on their board they were willing to stay at #5 for?

The post draft comment from John, and reporting from Brady Henderson, makes sense if they weren't drafting any of the QBs. It makes a lot less sense if Young was a strong possibility if he was there.

Yes, it entirely repudiates the arguments being made on the last couple of pages. Also, Adam Schefter reported during the draft that Carroll called Geno Smith before the draft and told him they may draft a QB. You don't make that call for a late round guy. Posters who are claiming that Seattle had zero intention of taking a QB (because they read a tweet and watched the predictable "we got our guy" interview) make no sense.

 

[CactusJack]

I agree, it would have been hard to pass on Young (or Stroud or AR imo)

However, if the rumor on Young was true, doesn't that dispute the idea that Seattle had just two prospects on their board they were willing to stay at #5 for?

The post draft comment from John, and reporting from Brady Henderson, makes sense if they weren't drafting any of the QBs. It makes a lot less sense if Young was a strong possibility if he was there.

They liked Young. But it was pretty apparent that Carolina was taking him with the 1st pick. John acknowledged this in the Rich Eisen interview. So he wasn't a realistic option for them. He wasn't falling to 5.

The top 2 defensive guys on their board we're Witherspoon & Anderson. That's been confirmed.

Richardson was not in play at 5. Also confirmed.

 

[Jac]

They liked Young. But it was pretty apparent that Carolina was taking him with the 1st pick. So he wasn't an option for them. He wasn't falling to 5.

The top 2 defensive guys on their board we're Witherspoon & Anderson. That's been confirmed.

Richardson was not in play at 5. Also confirmed.

If you mean that Richardson wasn't in play at #5 because he was already gone, you at least have that part right.

 

[Jac]

They liked Young. But it was pretty apparent that Carolina was taking him with the 1st pick. John acknowledged this in the Rich Eisen interview. So he wasn't a realistic option for them. He wasn't falling to 5.

The top 2 defensive guys on their board we're Witherspoon & Anderson. That's been confirmed.

Richardson was not in play at 5. Also confirmed.

When Carroll made the call to Smith about potentially taking a QB, who was he referencing then?

 

[Natethegreat]

Your not going to get anywhere with some of these guys. They have convinced themselves that Richardson was never even a consideration despite the fact that Pete specifically said he was and AR fitting the profile of the type of guy that J.S. covets.
Despite the fact both Pete and John said they talked to Geno about them considering a QB in this draft (and they knew full well Bryce Young would not be there at 5).

 

[CactusJack]

When Carroll made the call to Smith about potentially taking a QB, who was he referencing then?

I believe you're referring to the combine visits in March?

At this point, it doesn't really matter if they had someone in mind. Because they didn't end up taking any of these guys.

Maybe they did really like Richardson, but not enough to take him with the 5th pick. That was confirmed by Brady Henderson of ESPN.

 

[Seahawker]

Irrelevant and dull thread, carry on or maybe consider going to a Colts forum.

 

[Jac]

I believe you're referring to the combine visits in March?

At this point, it doesn't really matter if they had someone in mind. Because they didn't end up taking any of these guys.

Maybe they did really like Richardson, but not enough to take him with the 5th pick. That was confirmed by Brady Henderson of ESPN.

Schefter said that Carroll had called Smith before the draft and said they may take a QB. And Brady Henderson didn't confirm what you think he confirmed. His tweet (if accurate) said there were two players, if available, they wouldn't have moved out on. In other words, Richardson could very well have been on their board around this slot (likely WAS on their board around that slot), but they would have listened to offers.

 

[BASF]

How long will the Richardson cult be allowed to troll the main forum?

 

[Jac]

How long will the Richardson cult be allowed to troll the main forum?

Nobody is even advocating for Richardson in this thread. The only cult is formed by individuals who believe they definitively know Seattle's draft board and trade options because of a tweet they saw.

 

[CactusJack]

And Brady Henderson didn't confirm what you think he confirmed. His tweet (if accurate) said there were two players, if available, they wouldn't have moved out on. In other words, Richardson could very well have been on their board around this slot (likely WAS on their board around that slot), but they would have listened to offers.

Yeah, you might want to look at that tweet again.

The other player was Anderson, not Richardson.

Basically, they pegged Anderson & Witherspoon as their top two targets. If neither guy was still available to them, then the plan was to trade out.

 

[CactusJack]

Again, It hasn't been confirmed as to whether they actually had plans to take a QB at some point. But all of the evidence supports the idea that taking one at 5 was not actually in their plans.

 

[BASF]

Nobody is even advocating for Richardson in this thread. The only cult is formed by individuals who believe they definitively know Seattle's draft board and trade options because of a tweet they saw.

The whole premise of the Richardson guess is predicated on believing that John Schneider is lying to the Seahawks fanbase. The other premise is that they went to Richardson's pro day and that they took a picture with him. They travelled to each of their pro days. They have a picture with each of the supposed first round QBs including Levis, whom they passed on twice. Perhaps they were at the Florida pro day for O'Cyrus Torrence and decided he wasn't a scheme fit. They were really at the OSU one for JSN.

Any Seahawks fan can speculate about any of the prospects that were drafted just before our picks throughout the years. It happens every year, but for some cultish reason, there are mulitiple threads on Richardson specifically. As far as the evidence you want, it will never happen. You can make the same posts you are currently making regarding Richardson until you are ninety years old, but there is never going to be a leaked photo of the Seahawks three draft boards showing the evidence you want.

 

[Jac]

The whole premise of the Richardson guess is predicated on believing that John Schneider is lying to the Seahawks fanbase. The other premise is that they went to Richardson's pro day and that they took a picture with him. They travelled to each of their pro days. They have a picture with each of the supposed first round QBs including Levis, whom they passed on twice. Perhaps they were at the Florida pro day for O'Cyrus Torrence and decided he wasn't a scheme fit. They were really at the OSU one for JSN.

Any Seahawks fan can speculate about any of the prospects that were drafted just before our picks throughout the years. It happens every year, but for some cultish reason, there are mulitiple threads on Richardson specifically. As far as the evidence you want, it will never happen. You can make the same posts you are currently making regarding Richardson until you are ninety years old, but there is never going to be a leaked photo of the Seahawks tree draft boards showing the evidence you want.

I'm not the one definitively claiming that he wouldn't be picked. Anybody who is making any claim as to who they would/wouldn't pick at a certain draft slot is simply speculating themselves.

 

[Jac]

Yeah, you might want to look at that tweet again.




Basically, they pegged Anderson & Witherspoon as their top two targets. If neither guy was still available to them, then the plan was to trade out. So once again, he was not in their plans at 5.

For the last time, this tweet claims there were two players that he wouldn't have moved out for at #5 (convenient that one was there, but that's always the case). If those players were gone, he would be open to trade offers. If he didn't get back a good offer, he would have had to make the pick. So who would it have been? How can you be sure it wasn't Richardson?

 

[JPatera76]

Nobody is even advocating for Richardson in this thread. The only cult is formed by individuals who believe they definitively know Seattle's draft board and trade options because of a tweet they saw.

Wrong

I went off an article from the Seahawks website https://www.seahawks.com/news/go-wi...seahawks-draft-room-during-the-2023-nfl-draft

And an article that basically backed up what was said and done draft day/and in the draft room.


As well as JS saying as much. It’s not a matter of speculation when the JS has also came out and said as much. What’s so genuinely hard to understand or comprehend about it?

 

[Torc]

Obviously none of us can be SURE that it wasn't Richardson, unless Pete or John says something definitive. Sure, Pete said they gave Richardson "tremendous consideration". I'm sure they did. They went out to visit with him at Florida's pro day. Clearly he was on their board somewhere. They did their due diligence on a lot of players, doesn't mean they were preferred over Witherspoon.

Purely from the speculation side, I think another team was looking to trade up to take Richardson, from this exchange (from the article Jpatera linked):

5:37 p.m.
The Colts take quarterback Anthony Richardson, a quarterback Carroll and Schneider have spoken very highly of both before and after the draft.
5:45 p.m.
Schneider calls back the general manager looking to trade up and the conversation is very brief.
"We're picking," Schneider says.
Schneider's next call is to Witherspoon.

Judging by the "brief conversation" after Richardson was picked by the Colts, another team was hoping to get him. After the Colts picked, there was no longer interest from that other team in moving up. If Schneider was totally sold on Richardson, would he have been having that conversation? Yep, speculation. But that's all this thread is.