If I didn't know any better…

[Jegpeg]

I think Darnold, MSV and Kupp are all downgrades on Geno, DK and Locket based on 2024 performance. Of course 2025 might be different, Geno and Lockett could continue to regress (on the other so could Kupp).

While I belive NOW our team is worse than last season I do not blame JS, we had to clear cap space, keeping Geno and DK would have had risks of personnal issues affecting performance. We do not play until September and the 2 extra day 2 picks may result in the team being in a better place than it would have been with minimal changes to make the cap.

 

[glenwo2]

I think Darnold, MSV and Kupp are all downgrades on Geno, DK and Locket based on 2024 performance. Of course 2025 might be different, Geno and Lockett could continue to regress (on the other so could Kupp).

While I belive NOW our team is worse than last season I do not blame JS, we had to clear cap space, keeping Geno and DK would have had risks of personnal issues affecting performance. We do not play until September and the 2 extra day 2 picks may result in the team being in a better place than it would have been with minimal changes to make the cap.

Don't know about MSV and Kupp but were you living under a rock or something last season?

If you're basing it on 2024 performance, Darnold is head and shoulders a MASSIVE upgrade to Geno. (If basing it strictly on 2024 performance)

Unless you think a 2024 season consisted of only the two games that Sam played awful in....which would be stupid.

 

[CallMeADawg]

I think Darnold, MSV and Kupp are all downgrades on Geno, DK and Locket based on 2024 performance. Of course 2025 might be different, Geno and Lockett could continue to regress (on the other so could Kupp).

While I belive NOW our team is worse than last season I do not blame JS, we had to clear cap space, keeping Geno and DK would have had risks of personnal issues affecting performance. We do not play until September and the 2 extra day 2 picks may result in the team being in a better place than it would have been with minimal changes to make the cap.

Wait what?! Based solely on 2024? What were you watching?! Did you just come from an alternate reality or a multiverse portal or something?

 

[onanygivensunday]

DK had ONE personal foul penalty in 2024. ONE.
He's gone, you and the DK is Satan crew got what you wanted.

FWIW, I liked DK a LOT when he was drafted and for a couple of years afterward... but that waned when he didn't continue to hone his craft... and he also started and persisted for a couple of years to make his game all about how tough he was... because that behavior hurt the team. Yes, he slowly learned to keep it in check but it's time for him to move on... and for the fanbase to do likewise.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

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Don't know about MSV and Kupp but were you living under a rock or something last season?

If you're basing it on 2024 performance, Darnold is head and shoulders a MASSIVE upgrade to Geno. (If basing it strictly on 2024 performance)

Unless you think a 2024 season consisted of only the two games that Sam played awful in....which would be stupid.

You're new here, so you missed the debates on Geno. In the opinion of some, including me and a lot of people who talk in terms of tape, he was a vastly underrated QB who was consistently undermined by his supporting cast. He had a replacement-level offensive line, almost no run game, and an OC and OL coach who were in the first year in the pros and completely out of their depth (the evidence being that they've since been fired). He also didn't have the wear and tear of most QB's his age, having ridden the bench for a long time.

Had Geno been given even a league-average offense and OC, there was a window, albeit a narrowing one, where he could have contended in a deep playoff run. There's never going to be a consensus on that, I realize, but I know what the tape shows, and I am choosing to remember his entire body of work as opposed to the occasional mind-numbing greed-interceptions he committed in the last half of the season.

Sam Darnold was throwing to Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, and TJ Hockenson in a system run by the son of Wade Phillips. Here he has Kupp, JSN, no tight end to speak of, a churn OC. The draft may change his fortunes, but there's good reasons most of us see Darnold as a lateral move intended to avoid a tanking season.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Barner and Fant are pretty solid. Not sure about no TE.

 

[CallMeADawg]

Barner and Fant are pretty solid. Not sure about no TE.

A number of false statements over and over by that one. Literally makes stuff up.

 

[Scout]

Solid is not good enough if 12 personnel is required more in the scheme.

If 12 personnel is the dominant alignment in Kubiak's offense you need the TE1 and TE2 to be performing at a high level. That is why TE flies up the draft board value for the Seahawks and it devalues the importance of WR3. So, like I said MVS/Bobo/Young all are perfectly fine if they are your #3/4 WR as they are not going see the field that much.

 

[glenwo2]

Solid is not good enough if 12 personnel is required more in the scheme.

If 12 personnel is the dominant alignment in Kubiak's offense you need the TE1 and TE2 to be performing at a high level. That is why TE flies up the draft board value for the Seahawks and it devalues the importance of WR3. So, like I said MVS/Bobo/Young all are perfectly fine if they are your #3/4 WR as they are not going see the field that much.

If that is the case, then a TE at #18 should be the play in which case Colston Loveland is one I'd go after.

 

[Wsumatt1982]

If that is the case, then a TE at #18 should be the play in which case Colston Loveland is one I'd go after.

The only problem with Colston is he's not much of a blocker. I think they want someone who is good at both catching and blocking. If Warren were to fall to them I can see them running the card to the commissioner.

 

[Jegpeg]

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Don't know about MSV and Kupp but were you living under a rock or something last season?

If you're basing it on 2024 performance, Darnold is head and shoulders a MASSIVE upgrade to Geno. (If basing it strictly on 2024 performance)

Unless you think a 2024 season consisted of only the two games that Sam played awful in....which would be stupid.

Darnolds stats were better than Geno's but he had what is probably the best receiver set in the league, and a far superior O-line and OC. You may disagree but given what he had around him I think Geno did better than Darnold last season.

 

[Jegpeg]

Solid is not good enough if 12 personnel is required more in the scheme.

Don't you get flagged if you try to play with 12 personnel on the field

 

[pittpnthrs]

Just a bunch of mediocre moves to me. Darold=Meh, Kupp=Meh, Lawrence=Meh. They might be better depending on the OL but they're not a SB team and after this year Reed, Kupp, Lawrence are even more over the hill.

Yeah they aren't big name FA signings for a ton of cash, but do you know who used to do that in hopes or delusion that the team was just one player away - Pete Carroll. All that did was put the team in cap hell and bring more mediocrity. These cheaper meh signings gives the team cap space and a chance to draft needs like OL and some other areas without having to address those particular holes.

 

[getnasty]

Yeah they aren't big name FA signings for a ton of cash, but do you know who used to do that in hopes or delusion that the team was just one player away - Pete Carroll. All that did was put the team in cap hell and bring more mediocrity. These cheaper meh signings gives the team cap space and a chance to draft needs like OL and some other areas without having to address those particular holes.

I'm not saying we need to sign Jamal Adams to big money, I just perfer the valve deals on younger players like Cliff Avril and Michael Bennett that I think Pete was a part of too.

 

[pittpnthrs]

When did our fanbase become like this lol? People act like younger and cheaper somehow makes us better. Every move we've made has either been a lateral, or step backwards. Darnold was surrounded by talent in his 1 good season. #9 offensive line according to PFF, and he had over 3 seconds to throw. We just signed a pressure sensitive QB when our line can barely provide 2 seconds last season. We've done nothing to address it beyond signing a journeyman. Draft picks are no guarantee.

If you watched more than 2 Rams games last season, you would know Kupp is washed. No separation. 18 games missed in the last 3 seasons and is 31 years old(32 by the start of the season). Teams will double JSN every play, and it will take time before Darnold builds chemistry with him.

The only good move we've made is Lawrence. It won't matter if our offense can't stay on the field. It's been the same story for the last decade. Good defense that gets tired by the half because our offense can't produce sustained drives. We always convince ourselves that ANOTHER new OC will fix everything. I feel like all these Seahawk content creators are setting people up for massive disappointment, and it will make talking hawks online unbearable.

I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see it. I'm also not sure why we're suddenly giving JS the benefit of the doubt. He's never shown the ability to draft an offensive line. It's a philosophy issue, and I wish people would realize that.

I feel like people think we're leaving purgatory when really, we just signed another 2-year lease.

This is a fair post. As for the moves, i'm not sure what else they could have done. They replaced some players who wanted to be overpaid for cheaper options. It's true it might not be anything more than lateral moves or worse, but resigning those other players wasn't going to make a difference either. At least now they have a chance to draft some interior OLinemen. Yeah there might be some growing pains for a season or two waiting for them to develop, but what is the alternative? I also would have liked to grab a stud OG in FA, but it didn't happen (i'm not even sure who was available truthfully), so we're here for now.

 

[pittpnthrs]

I'm not saying we need to sign Jamal Adams to big money, I just perfer the valve deals on younger players like Cliff Avril and Michael Bennett that I think Pete was a part of too.

Understood

 

[SoulfishHawk]

We have Bobo, we're going to the World Series.

 

[Hawknight]

We have Bobo, we're going to the World Series.

It's a good thing I bought the last remaining tickets from that guy in the alley. He promised me these were the best seats in the house. If not I could come to his beach house in Arizona and he would give me a full refund.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Noice

 

[pittpnthrs]

We have Bobo, we're going to the World Series.

Damn right! We're bringing the Stanley Cup home.