I need the scoop on Harvin

[rjdriver]

SeaTown is sure that he can walk on water!

And you're sure that he'll fail. Who has the better attitude?

In no way was I stating that he was going to "fail"! I just implied that it was a possibility that he might not have the "impact" that he initially had with the Vikings.

And I said nothing to him having such an "impact". All I did was point out that extreme opinions exist amongst hated rival fans. No clue why you painted me as someone saying he walked on water. Weird move, bro.

Yeah. Everyone knows that no one can walk on water.....

Except Russell Wilson

 

[RiverDog]

Percy has had injury and character issues long before he came to us. Here's some of his draft notes from 2009: "Despite character and injury issues, the Vikings were enamored with his talent"...."The Vikings did extensive background work on Percy Harvin, who reportedly tested positive for marijuana in February at the NFL scouting combine...."


http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/ds ... &genpos=WR

Hopefully the injuries and character stuff is all in his past, but don't kid yourself if you don't think we're taking a major risk with this guy.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

He doesn't need to. All he really needs to do is draw either double teams or make the coverage roll to him and be our version of Wes Weller (Wilson's security blanket).

He won't likely draw "double coverage" until he can "show his stuff". We all would like to see our OC draw up some plays featuring Percy.....and watch him "turn on the jets"! What better place than "Ramville" or even better yet TB at Home?

True but they will roll coverage and that is all Wilson, Tate, and Rice need beyond a good screen game...the exotic stuff will come after St. Louis in preparation of New Orleans and San Francisco.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

Percy has had injury and character issues long before he came to us. Here's some of his draft notes from 2009: "Despite character and injury issues, the Vikings were enamored with his talent"...."The Vikings did extensive background work on Percy Harvin, who reportedly tested positive for marijuana in February at the NFL scouting combine...."


http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/ds ... &genpos=WR

Hopefully the injuries and character stuff is all in his past, but don't kid yourself if you don't think we're taking a major risk with this guy.

Tested positive for marijuana? Who hasn't? Hell it's well on it's way to being nationally legal anyway. My advice to you? Is stick to SeahawkBlue they seem to love your ridiculous negative view there for some reason I can't fathom.

Dude, trust your Coach/FO and the leadership on this team.We have NEVER had a bonafide franchise quarterback. Percy loves Wilson and he's all in.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

He doesn't need to. All he really needs to do is draw either double teams or make the coverage roll to him and be our version of Wes Weller (Wilson's security blanket).

He won't likely draw "double coverage" until he can "show his stuff". We all would like to see our OC draw up some plays featuring Percy.....and watch him "turn on the jets"! What better place than "Ramville" or even better yet TB at Home?

True but they will roll coverage and that is all Wilson, Tate, and Rice need beyond a good screen game...the exotic stuff will come after St. Louis in preparation of New Orleans and San Francisco.

 

[253hawk]

Brad Childress wasn't exactly a player's coach and Wilf is a shady character that continues to get more shady with this new stadium deal. And let's not forget about the Sex Boat scandal. That whole organization has been weird for the past decade or so. Christ, they even paid to have the corpse of Brett Favre reanimated and that whole sideshow.

Seattle is a first-class organization all the way. Owner, GM, practice facility, coaches, conditioning, stadium, fans, we've got it all. If any player is a problem up here, they're just a straight-up locker room cancer that can't be fixed by anyone and I don't see that slipping by both Schneider and Carroll along with the first-hand account of Bevell. Injuries are a wild card; even elite world-class athletes aren't immune to those. The good news is that he's fresh for the second half of the season and the playoffs, and no defense in the league knows what's coming yet.

 

[SeaTown81]

Here's the thing about any stupid arguments about how big an impact Harvin is going to have with the Hawks. No wr's on the Hawks puts up crazy numbers. The offense doesn't allow it. The team is run first to a heavy degree. And on top of that, when they do pass, RW spreads the ball around a ton. For the exact same reason that you see fantasy football inclined fans belittle Tate, Rice, and Baldwin, you will see the same happen for Harvin. Percy Harvin was on a team where he was the #1, 2, & 5 receiving options. Now he's on a much more balanced team. One that makes it's money by running the ball and moving the ball around. I can almost guarantee that Harvin isn't going to be the same #'s monster that he was in Minnesota. And for that reason, you will see a lot of outsiders saying he's not as good as he was in Minny. The only way they will say otherwise is if he becomes the Hawks' #1 go to player on offense for everything. It's nothing more than stat focused, fantasy blinded football fans caring nothing but the #'s a player puts up. It's the exact same reason many people outside Seattle think Russell Wilson isn't anything special when he throws for 225 and 2 tds. Don't be foolish enough to fall for the fantasy football fan's opinion of your own team's players.

 

[SeaTown81]

Oh, and one other thing. When we traded for Marshawn Lynch, Buffalo fans were saying many of the exact same things. Sit on that for a moment.

 

[Tech Worlds]

Percy has had injury and character issues long before he came to us. Here's some of his draft notes from 2009: "Despite character and injury issues, the Vikings were enamored with his talent"...."The Vikings did extensive background work on Percy Harvin, who reportedly tested positive for marijuana in February at the NFL scouting combine...."


http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/ds ... &genpos=WR

Hopefully the injuries and character stuff is all in his past, but don't kid yourself if you don't think we're taking a major risk with this guy.

Tested positive for marijuana? Who hasn't? Hell it's well on it's way to being nationally legal anyway. My advice to you? Is stick to SeahawkBlue they seem to love your ridiculous negative view there for some reason I can't fathom.

Dude, trust your Coach/FO and the leadership on this team.We have NEVER had a bonafide franchise quarterback. Percy loves Wilson and he's all in.

Dude was just stating some facts. No reason for you to just his shit. Slow your roll mister.

 

[253hawk]

Here's the thing about any stupid arguments about how big an impact Harvin is going to have with the Hawks. No wr's on the Hawks puts up crazy numbers. The offense doesn't allow it. The team is run first to a heavy degree. And on top of that, when they do pass, RW spreads the ball around a ton. For the exact same reason that you see fantasy football inclined fans belittle Tate, Rice, and Baldwin, you will see the same happen for Harvin. Percy Harvin was on a team where he was the #1, 2, & 5 receiving options. Now he's on a much more balanced team. One that makes it's money by running the ball and moving the ball around. I can almost guarantee that Harvin isn't going to be the same #'s monster that he was in Minnesota. And for that reason, you will see a lot of outsiders saying he's not as good as he was in Minny.

Part of that was because Favre forces a ton of passes whereas Wilson doesn't. You really wanna go to the Twilight Zone? Harvin's numbers were slightly better in 2011 than they were in the Favre years...when Christian Ponder was QB. A rookie QB.

 

[SeaTown81]

Here's the thing about any stupid arguments about how big an impact Harvin is going to have with the Hawks. No wr's on the Hawks puts up crazy numbers. The offense doesn't allow it. The team is run first to a heavy degree. And on top of that, when they do pass, RW spreads the ball around a ton. For the exact same reason that you see fantasy football inclined fans belittle Tate, Rice, and Baldwin, you will see the same happen for Harvin. Percy Harvin was on a team where he was the #1, 2, & 5 receiving options. Now he's on a much more balanced team. One that makes it's money by running the ball and moving the ball around. I can almost guarantee that Harvin isn't going to be the same #'s monster that he was in Minnesota. And for that reason, you will see a lot of outsiders saying he's not as good as he was in Minny.

Part of that was because Favre forces a ton of passes whereas Wilson doesn't. You really wanna go to the Twilight Zone? Harvin's numbers were slightly better in 2011 than they were in the Favre years...when Christian Ponder was QB. A rookie QB.

But even last year with Ponder he was killing it. Before he went out with an injury around mid-season, he was leading the entire NFL in all-purpose yards. After Peterson, Harvin was the Vikes offense. It wasn't even close. The Hawks don't have the sort of offense that makes wr's look fancy stats wise. Just how it is. I expect Harvin to have a good impact on the Hawks' offense. But he's going to fall in line with what the other guys do. He'll be in rotation with Tate, Rice, Baldwin, and company in having a big game every so often, but also impacting the game in others without putting up fantasy football #'s.

 

[Tech Worlds]

Harvin's numbers wont be huge for us but he will be like Reggie Bush was in New Orleans. Basically he is someone that has to be accounted for at all times and if given enough touches will be a big play waiting to happen. Without Reggie they dont win that superbowl.

I expect his impact to be not limited to just his production.

 

[RiverDog]

Percy has had injury and character issues long before he came to us. Here's some of his draft notes from 2009: "Despite character and injury issues, the Vikings were enamored with his talent"...."The Vikings did extensive background work on Percy Harvin, who reportedly tested positive for marijuana in February at the NFL scouting combine...."


http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/ds ... &genpos=WR

Hopefully the injuries and character stuff is all in his past, but don't kid yourself if you don't think we're taking a major risk with this guy.

Tested positive for marijuana? Who hasn't? Hell it's well on it's way to being nationally legal anyway. My advice to you? Is stick to SeahawkBlue they seem to love your ridiculous negative view there for some reason I can't fathom.

Dude, trust your Coach/FO and the leadership on this team.We have NEVER had a bonafide franchise quarterback. Percy loves Wilson and he's all in.

I suspect that the majority of NFL players have never tested positive for marijuana, although they don't make it public. Rationalize it if you like, but it does lend credence to his arrest for the same thing earlier this spring. It's a big character red flag IMO.

I didn't ask for your advice. If you don't like my "negative view", then feel free not to respond to my offerings.

 

[253hawk]

Oh don't get me wrong, I don't expect his number to be huge at all. When he gets the ball, he'll get those YAC that most other guys won't. When he's not getting the ball, he'll be a great decoy for clearing out part of the field or drawing coverage. Either way he's an x-factor that will allow us to get a little bit more out of each play and extend drives. Given his size and speed though, I think he'll be a great deep threat for Wilson to be able to just lob it up there in man coverage once in a while and let him go get it.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

Percy has had injury and character issues long before he came to us. Here's some of his draft notes from 2009: "Despite character and injury issues, the Vikings were enamored with his talent"...."The Vikings did extensive background work on Percy Harvin, who reportedly tested positive for marijuana in February at the NFL scouting combine...."


http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/ds ... genpos=WRE

Hopefully the injuries and character stuff is all in his past, but don't kid yourself if you don't think we're taking a major risk with this guy.

Tested positive for marijuana? Who hasn't? Hell it's well on it's way to being nationally legal anyway. My advice to you? Is stick to SeahawkBlue they seem to love your ridiculous negative view there for some reason I can't fathom.

Dude, trust your Coach/FO and the leadership on this team.We have NEVER had a bonafide franchise quarterback. Percy loves Wilson and he's all in.

Dude was just stating some facts. No reason for you to just his shit. Slow your roll mister.

Dude posts more silly negative stuff for a reaction than even yourself and that takes skill. We know each other so relax you'll be more happy.

 

[Tech Worlds]

Percy has had injury and character issues long before he came to us. Here's some of his draft notes from 2009: "Despite character and injury issues, the Vikings were enamored with his talent"...."The Vikings did extensive background work on Percy Harvin, who reportedly tested positive for marijuana in February at the NFL scouting combine...."


http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/ds ... genpos=WRE

Hopefully the injuries and character stuff is all in his past, but don't kid yourself if you don't think we're taking a major risk with this guy.

Tested positive for marijuana? Who hasn't? Hell it's well on it's way to being nationally legal anyway. My advice to you? Is stick to SeahawkBlue they seem to love your ridiculous negative view there for some reason I can't fathom.

Dude, trust your Coach/FO and the leadership on this team.We have NEVER had a bonafide franchise quarterback. Percy loves Wilson and he's all in.

Dude was just stating some facts. No reason for you to just his shit. Slow your roll mister.

Dude posts more silly negative stuff for a reaction than even yourself and that takes skill. We know each other so relax you'll be more happy.

No reason to insult me sir. All that person did was state facts and you took it to where it didnt need to go. Sorry but your wrong here.

 

[dontbelikethat]

One misconception is what actually a lot of people seem to think in that Harvin is a deep threat, which is what he's really not that good at. He's pretty much strictly a YAC guy, up to this point at least.

Harvin's numbers wont be huge for us but he will be like Reggie Bush was in New Orleans. Basically he is someone that has to be accounted for at all times and if given enough touches will be a big play waiting to happen. Without Reggie they dont win that superbowl.

I expect his impact to be not limited to just his production.

This is pretty much how I expect him to be. He will also have a huge role as a KR. He's a play maker, so I expect him to take the ball out a lot, and I'm sure there will be a few times where we'll question whether he should've took it out, but I'm sure he'll be more consistently good than questionable. Give this guy his opportunities, and he'll be great.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

FYI college students and teenagers are foolish and experiment. Am I incorrect? Insulting you? I am just saying marijuana is irrelevant to many people because times are changing.It really is nothing unless it's on the NFL's list. In and of itself? Who cares given attitudes about it are reversing quickly.

Thing is it's a nn-issue given his life is different.He is a father and in a stable situation.

 

[RiverDog]

Percy has had injury and character issues long before he came to us. Here's some of his draft notes from 2009: "Despite character and injury issues, the Vikings were enamored with his talent"...."The Vikings did extensive background work on Percy Harvin, who reportedly tested positive for marijuana in February at the NFL scouting combine...."


http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/ds ... genpos=WRE

Hopefully the injuries and character stuff is all in his past, but don't kid yourself if you don't think we're taking a major risk with this guy.

Tested positive for marijuana? Who hasn't? Hell it's well on it's way to being nationally legal anyway. My advice to you? Is stick to SeahawkBlue they seem to love your ridiculous negative view there for some reason I can't fathom.

Dude, trust your Coach/FO and the leadership on this team.We have NEVER had a bonafide franchise quarterback. Percy loves Wilson and he's all in.

Dude was just stating some facts. No reason for you to just his shit. Slow your roll mister.

Dude posts more silly negative stuff for a reaction than even yourself and that takes skill. We know each other so relax you'll be more happy.

I don't post to irritate or provoke others. I post to express my opinion and get some honest feedback, and on this particular issue, I have some legitimate, documented concerns about Percy Harvin. If you don't like it, say so and I'll be happy to debate you. I'm here to talk football. But don't accuse me of being a troll.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

So debate and stop with the snark aleady. You bring up stuff done years ago? He isn't Von Miller he has grown up, changed life circumstances and entered into a completely different work environment that brooks no fools and he knows it.

Drug user he isn't. Injury prone? Not really given he missed maybe 1 in 10 games...problem with coaches? Childress is and was ignorant. And after tonight Fraizer might be worse.