Huard: For first time in years, Seahawks get value back

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Huard: For first time in years, Seahawks get value back in star’s departure

“This was for the long game, this was not just for winning in 2019. This was about sustaining and being good in 2019, and sustaining and being good in 2020, and being good in 2021. And when you’ve got head coach, GM, and quarterback locked up, these are the kind of moves, to me, that you have to make.”

http://sports.mynorthwest.com/635025/ca ... ank-clark/

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Brock's right.

For all that Pete and John do well, and that list is long............trades is not one of them. So it is nice to see us not get bent over again because we waited too long to cut the cord with a player.

 

[Seahawker]

Best trade since Rick Mirer.

 

[Jville]

Have lessons taught by departed players encouraged Pete and John to become more proactive in privately exploring trade possibilities? Could it be that, in their 10th anniversary together, they are getting out in front of player movement to maximize roster value? I'd like to think so.

Go Hawks!

 

[onanygivensunday]

So here's a thought on why Pete and John are loading up on 2020 draft picks...

2020 is the last year of the current CBA and there has been some chatter that one of the players' issues for the new CBA is the length of rookie contracts, which players believe are too long. Longer rookie contracts may impede players from signing an extension that would presumably earn them more money.

Current rookie contracts are four years, and those drafted in the 1st round are on club options to include a fifth year. Perhaps Pete and John are loading up on 2020 draft picks (now twelve in number) because they suspect rookie contracts under the new CBA may be only three years in length with a 4th year option for 1st rounders.

They could be getting ahead of the game by taking advantage of the current CBA relative to the lengths of rookie contracts.

 

[sc85sis]

Best trade since Rick Mirer.

The trade for Marshawn was pretty good too.

 

[Atradees]

On February 12, 2000, The Seahawks traded Galloway to the Dallas Cowboys in exchange for their first round selections in the 2000 and 2001 NFL Drafts (which would produce Shaun Alexander and Koren Robinson).

 

[mikeak]

So here's a thought on why Pete and John are loading up on 2020 draft picks...

2020 is the last year of the current CBA and there has been some chatter that one of the players' issues for the new CBA is the length of rookie contracts, which players believe are too long. Longer rookie contracts may impede players from signing an extension that would presumably earn them more money.

Current rookie contracts are four years, and those drafted in the 1st round are on club options to include a fifth year. Perhaps Pete and John are loading up on 2020 draft picks (now twelve in number) because they suspect rookie contracts under the new CBA may be only three years in length with a 4th year option for 1st rounders.

They could be getting ahead of the game by taking advantage of the current CBA relative to the lengths of rookie contracts.

Unintended consequences is what I believe

I think they realized they hosed themselves big time for this year.

They signed a bunch of overpriced FA players like Joeckel - didn't pan out
They gambled in the draft with Malik and realized they gambled to high
They traded for players thinking they were getting comp picks so they would be ok
Then they signed a bunch of nobodies last year including Dickson which led to getting zero comp picks

So they found themselves in a bad spot for 2019. Four picks, not a lot of cap space BUT they have lots of contracts expiring this year and next. They know that will lead to comp picks and they can load up in the draft if they keep those guys. They don't have a significant cap room so hitting in the draft is the only real way to succeed for the next few years. Obviously more picks equals better chances of success so they are stockpiling as part of paying the stars strategy

So they painted themselves in a corner and the Clark trade gave a little wiggle room on the cap side and fixed a problem they caused themselves in the draft

 

[Maulbert]

Best trade since Rick Mirer.

I'd say a 4th and a 5th for Marshawn Lynch was better.

 

[knownone]

This is kind of revisionist history. The Seahawks won the Jimmy Graham trade from a value perspective at the time. Value wise it was essentially a late 2nd round pick and Unger for an all-pro tight end. It turned out to be a bad trade for us largely because Jimmy had a career changing injury and didn’t fit in, and Unger went from injury prone to iron man.

If Frank turns into Mack on defense and we draft two bums... We’ll look back on this trade in 5 years and think we got horrible value for a player just reaching his prime.

Also, I would argue both the Lynch trade and Clemons trade were the best from a value perspective. People in the media are acting like JS has been getting fleeced in trades. He’s had 1 truly bad trade in Harvin, but in general he hits more than he misses.

 

[chris98251]

Return on players moved has sucked, it all started with Josh Wilson and we always got the Walmart value end of the deal, with one exception up until now and that was Lynch, Harvin, Graham, etc were all big names that fizzled here, may have been more Bevell then front office but still. This was not a Fleece but great value for us and a need for what appears to be a Happy Chiefs team. This will help going forward and I see this year as a fill holes and next year a stockpiling depth all over with the amount of picks we have.

 

[getnasty]

This is kind of revisionist history. The Seahawks won the Jimmy Graham trade from a value perspective at the time. Value wise it was essentially a late 2nd round pick and Unger for an all-pro tight end. It turned out to be a bad trade for us largely because Jimmy had a career changing injury and didn’t fit in, and Unger went from injury prone to iron man.

If Frank turns into Mack on defense and we draft two bums... We’ll look back on this trade in 5 years and think we got horrible value for a player just reaching his prime.

Also, I would argue both the Lynch trade and Clemons trade were the best from a value perspective. People in the media are acting like JS has been getting fleeced in trades. He’s had 1 truly bad trade in Harvin, but in general he hits more than he misses.

Prime example might be would you rather have Frank Clark or Ifedi, Rasheem Greene and 15 million a year. Tough call

 

[Thepeelsessions]

This is kind of revisionist history. The Seahawks won the Jimmy Graham trade from a value perspective at the time. Value wise it was essentially a late 2nd round pick and Unger for an all-pro tight end. It turned out to be a bad trade for us largely because Jimmy had a career changing injury and didn’t fit in, and Unger went from injury prone to iron man.

If Frank turns into Mack on defense and we draft two bums... We’ll look back on this trade in 5 years and think we got horrible value for a player just reaching his prime.

Also, I would argue both the Lynch trade and Clemons trade were the best from a value perspective. People in the media are acting like JS has been getting fleeced in trades. He’s had 1 truly bad trade in Harvin, but in general he hits more than he misses.

Ehh, I'm not sure. I hated the Graham trade the minute news broke. It was actually a late first and Unger.

I do agree that the Lynch and Clemons deals were hands down, Schneider's finest hours. The Leon Washington, Clint McDonald, and Justin Coleman trades were all very, very good as well. But then you look at Schneider's bad deals, and they kind of overshadow his good deals.

The Harvin trade
The Graham trade
The Richardson trade (linked to the McDowell blunder)

Add to those the trades to aquire Matt Tobin, Dewey McDonald, and Brett Hundley. All were aquired for a 5th round pick, and all were mass desperation moves by Schneider. Awful, awful, AWFUL value.

 

[knownone]

This is kind of revisionist history. The Seahawks won the Jimmy Graham trade from a value perspective at the time. Value wise it was essentially a late 2nd round pick and Unger for an all-pro tight end. It turned out to be a bad trade for us largely because Jimmy had a career changing injury and didn’t fit in, and Unger went from injury prone to iron man.

If Frank turns into Mack on defense and we draft two bums... We’ll look back on this trade in 5 years and think we got horrible value for a player just reaching his prime.

Also, I would argue both the Lynch trade and Clemons trade were the best from a value perspective. People in the media are acting like JS has been getting fleeced in trades. He’s had 1 truly bad trade in Harvin, but in general he hits more than he misses.

Ehh, I'm not sure. I hated the Graham trade the minute news broke. It was actually a late first and Unger.

I do agree that the Lynch and Clemons deals were hands down, Schneider's finest hours. The Leon Washington, Clint McDonald, and Justin Coleman trades were all very, very good as well. But then you look at Schneider's bad deals, and they kind of overshadow his good deals.

The Harvin trade
The Graham trade
The Richardson trade (linked to the McDowell blunder)

Add to those the trades to aquire Matt Tobin, Dewey McDonald, and Brett Hundley. All were aquired for a 5th round pick, and all were mass desperation moves by Schneider. Awful, awful, AWFUL value.

I was talking strictly about value not actual picks. It was the 31st pick and Unger for a mid 4th and Graham. That puts the draft value in the mid 2nd round range.

I didn't mind the Jimmy Graham trade. He didn't fit our system, but he averaged just under 800 yards and 7 TDs while coming off a significant injury in his 3 seasons here.

 

[getnasty]

People act like Max Unger was an all pro once in a lifetime player for NO? He was ok maybe slighty better then Justin Britt. He played in 1 pro bowl since he left Seattle. Jimmy Graham didn't work out but that was not a bad trade.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

People act like Max Unger was an all pro once in a lifetime player for NO? He was ok maybe slighty better then Justin Britt. He played in 1 pro bowl since he left Seattle. Jimmy Graham didn't work out but that was not a bad trade.

Would you rather have kept Unger?

That's how you know if it was a bad trade or not. I think most Hawk fans would have rather kept Unger anchoring our O-line in hindsight of how Graham played here. OK, but not great, and cost a lot of money.

IMO it wasn't a coincidence that our O-line went straight down the toilet after Unger left.