How good will Russell Wilson be in 2013?

[HawKnPeppa]

I love my neighbor's latest argument...

"Russell Wilson was only that good because he has a top 10 defense and offense to work around."

Yeah buddy. It has nothing to do with Russell Wilson being exceptional in every way. It's just the talent around him. <heavy rolling of the eyes>

Suddenly thus knowledgeable neighbor of yours doesn't seem like all that. Seems more like a blow hard.

 

[NinerLifer]

You guys ever think that maybe you are too confident in your young QB after only 1 season? I can't even bring myself to be a homer enough about Kaepernick to claim half the stuff that I have read in this thread. I just feel that 10 games or even just 1 full season isn't enough to make the claims that I read about our two QB's. I would like to, but it just sounds mega homeristic to make claims like these.

Not trying to be disrespectful, just curious what seriously makes one think that either of our QB's will become Elite QB's in the future after only a single season of NFL experience? There has been QB's in the past that have exploded onto the scene like our QB's did last year, just to fade away in the next couple seasons.

 

[Throwdown]

He's the best QB in the league, screw you.

 

[TeamoftheCentury]

You guys ever think that maybe you are too confident in your young QB after only 1 season? I can't even bring myself to be a homer enough about Kaepernick to claim half the stuff that I have read in this thread. I just feel that 10 games or even just 1 full season isn't enough to make the claims that I read about our two QB's. I would like to, but it just sounds mega homeristic to make claims like these.

Not trying to be disrespectful, just curious what seriously makes one think that either of our QB's will become Elite QB's in the future after only a single season of NFL experience? There has been QB's in the past that have exploded onto the scene like our QB's did last year, just to fade away in the next couple seasons.

Because it's not just Seahawks fans saying it. When a rookie QB (a ROOKIE) gets lofty comparisons to Peyton Manning, Fran Tarkenton, Drew Brees... it's not homerism. You would be wise to not be too confident about CK. Who exactly is CK being compared to? I don't live in the NW - I live in Florida. I typically don't hear compliments about the Seahawks (east coast homerism.) But, I hear plenty about Russell Wilson. I don't hear a thing about CK. unno:
This thing is going to get started back up soon and it will be a beautiful thing.

 

[Tech Worlds]

You guys ever think that maybe you are too confident in your young QB after only 1 season? I can't even bring myself to be a homer enough about Kaepernick to claim half the stuff that I have read in this thread. I just feel that 10 games or even just 1 full season isn't enough to make the claims that I read about our two QB's. I would like to, but it just sounds mega homeristic to make claims like these.

Not trying to be disrespectful, just curious what seriously makes one think that either of our QB's will become Elite QB's in the future after only a single season of NFL experience? There has been QB's in the past that have exploded onto the scene like our QB's did last year, just to fade away in the next couple seasons.

No

 

[NinerLifer]

You guys ever think that maybe you are too confident in your young QB after only 1 season? I can't even bring myself to be a homer enough about Kaepernick to claim half the stuff that I have read in this thread. I just feel that 10 games or even just 1 full season isn't enough to make the claims that I read about our two QB's. I would like to, but it just sounds mega homeristic to make claims like these.

Not trying to be disrespectful, just curious what seriously makes one think that either of our QB's will become Elite QB's in the future after only a single season of NFL experience? There has been QB's in the past that have exploded onto the scene like our QB's did last year, just to fade away in the next couple seasons.

Because it's not just Seahawks fans saying it. When a rookie QB (a ROOKIE) gets lofty comparisons to Peyton Manning, Fran Tarkenton, Drew Brees... it's not homerism. You would be wise to not be too confident about CK. Who exactly is CK being compared to? I don't live in the NW - I live in Florida. I typically don't hear compliments about the Seahawks (east coast homerism.) But, I hear plenty about Russell Wilson. I don't hear a thing about CK. unno:
This thing is going to get started back up soon and it will be a beautiful thing.

I can understand that. I currently live in Arizona and don't hear anything about RW unless I watch NFLN or ESPN. I do however hear a bunch about Kaep bacause I think cards fans consider themselves to be the Niners rival still from when Warner was playing and they still had a hard time beating us.

I just think it isn't wise to put too much stock in either QB until after they have shown that they can sustain their same level of play or better for more than a single season. I respect fans for making claims about their favorite team, but it still comes across as homerism until the player has proved he has consistency across multiple seasons.

 

[Throwdown]

Hold up, there is such thing as a Cardinals fan? So they aren't like Sasquatch?

 

[hawker84]

The comments in this thread is mild in comparison to some of the comments about Kap on your site, according to the WEB, Kap is the tallest, biggest, smartest, fastest, strongest armed QB to ever play the position... And his work ethics is second to none...

So calm down buddy, people around here are very excited about our QB and for good reason, he's extremely good..... you think he might regress next season, that could very well happen, but that's your opinion.. i don't see any reason to believe it will...

Your fans have every right to be excited about what Kap brings to the table as well... One of the fun things about being a fan in June.. expectations...

 

[NinerLifer]

The comments in this thread is mild in comparison to some of the comments about Kap on your site, according to the WEB, Kap is the tallest, biggest, smartest, fastest, strongest armed QB to ever play the position... And his work ethics is second to none...

So calm down buddy, people around here are very excited about our QB and for good reason, he's extremely good..... you think he might regress next season, that could very well happen, but that's your opinion.. i don't see any reason to believe it will...

Your fans have every right to be excited about what Kap brings to the table as well... One of the fun things about being a fan in June.. expectations...

Agreed. Like I said I also don't understand how my fellow Niner fans can "guarantee" anything out of Kaep after only 10 starts to his name. I felt the same way after Alex took us to the NFCCG under Harbaugh's first year, but he apparently was still able to play at the high level he was until he got "knocked out" of his position. Harbaugh is a QB guru and a lot of the credit goes to him for the way our QB's have been performing lately, especially in the case of Alex. When he works his magic with Kaep I am optimistic that he "could" possibly be one of the best QB's of our generation, due to his raw talent and Harbs will take care of any deficiencies he has which have reportedly already been addressed this offseason.

It will be exciting to see how both our QB's pan out over the next couple seasons. But until then, I remain cautiously optimistic because anything else just comes across as being a homer.

 

[ImTheScientist]

You guys ever think that maybe you are too confident in your young QB after only 1 season? I can't even bring myself to be a homer enough about Kaepernick to claim half the stuff that I have read in this thread. I just feel that 10 games or even just 1 full season isn't enough to make the claims that I read about our two QB's. I would like to, but it just sounds mega homeristic to make claims like these.

Not trying to be disrespectful, just curious what seriously makes one think that either of our QB's will become Elite QB's in the future after only a single season of NFL experience? There has been QB's in the past that have exploded onto the scene like our QB's did last year, just to fade away in the next couple seasons.

Nope.

 

[TeamoftheCentury]

You guys ever think that maybe you are too confident in your young QB after only 1 season? I can't even bring myself to be a homer enough about Kaepernick to claim half the stuff that I have read in this thread. I just feel that 10 games or even just 1 full season isn't enough to make the claims that I read about our two QB's. I would like to, but it just sounds mega homeristic to make claims like these.

Not trying to be disrespectful, just curious what seriously makes one think that either of our QB's will become Elite QB's in the future after only a single season of NFL experience? There has been QB's in the past that have exploded onto the scene like our QB's did last year, just to fade away in the next couple seasons.

Because it's not just Seahawks fans saying it. When a rookie QB (a ROOKIE) gets lofty comparisons to Peyton Manning, Fran Tarkenton, Drew Brees... it's not homerism. You would be wise to not be too confident about CK. Who exactly is CK being compared to? I don't live in the NW - I live in Florida. I typically don't hear compliments about the Seahawks (east coast homerism.) But, I hear plenty about Russell Wilson. I don't hear a thing about CK. unno:
This thing is going to get started back up soon and it will be a beautiful thing.

I can understand that. I currently live in Arizona and don't hear anything about RW unless I watch NFLN or ESPN. I do however hear a bunch about Kaep bacause I think cards fans consider themselves to be the Niners rival still from when Warner was playing and they still had a hard time beating us.

I just think it isn't wise to put too much stock in either QB until after they have shown that they can sustain their same level of play or better for more than a single season. I respect fans for making claims about their favorite team, but it still comes across as homerism until the player has proved he has consistency across multiple seasons.

This is not about the team... this is about RW vs. CK, correct? You're purposefully trying to inject drama here by subtle name calling (homerism) if we dare not doubt our new franchise QB. Isn't that at least mild trolling? Either that, or your comments make you sound completely oblivious to exactly what RW accomplished over the course of getting drafted on a team that didn't need him to start, won the job, improved weekly, legend grew, many accolades, lofty comparisons, lived up to every bit of it and more. You call us homers on our site b/c we don't fixate on all that a rival team fan suggests could possibly go wrong with such a promising young NFL talent? Isn't that being asinine, to put it lightly? Even if the Seahawks somehow don't do as well as expected as a team and even if Russell Wilson has a bad game or two... it would not invalidate who he is as a player. There are intangibles that separate the likes of Wilson vs. CK. Savvy, leadership, foundation of his life, etc. Those are not the type of things that lead to a promising player taking a dive. I don't hate CK as a person and sounds like he was blessed to be adopted into a loving family, etc. But, he is a bit (fittingly) self-absorbed and that usually eventually rears it's ugly head.
Arizona doesn't talk up Russell Wilson? Shocking, I tell you. You don't think it would have anything to do with 58-0 do you? If you've never lived on the east coast and had to deal with east coast bias not only on TV but in person nearly 24/7... you wouldn't realize how very significant it is what I reported about the difference between what is said about RW vs what is not about CK. But, I'm not going to go back and forth with you on that. Of course I expect you to try to talk your team QB up since you're just as envious as nearly every other team fan around the league. Sure, CK might do decently enough to get attention on a previously built team (and I agree Alex Smith could have done as well or better down the stretch last season.) But, if you ask anyone outside of the Bay area or anyone not a Niner fan, "Who would you rather build your team around?"... there would be an overwhelming clear choice. Wilson in a landslide.

http://www.seahawks.com/news/articles/a ... 5157d5d880

Let the season begin.

 

[NinerLifer]

You guys ever think that maybe you are too confident in your young QB after only 1 season? I can't even bring myself to be a homer enough about Kaepernick to claim half the stuff that I have read in this thread. I just feel that 10 games or even just 1 full season isn't enough to make the claims that I read about our two QB's. I would like to, but it just sounds mega homeristic to make claims like these.

Not trying to be disrespectful, just curious what seriously makes one think that either of our QB's will become Elite QB's in the future after only a single season of NFL experience? There has been QB's in the past that have exploded onto the scene like our QB's did last year, just to fade away in the next couple seasons.

Because it's not just Seahawks fans saying it. When a rookie QB (a ROOKIE) gets lofty comparisons to Peyton Manning, Fran Tarkenton, Drew Brees... it's not homerism. You would be wise to not be too confident about CK. Who exactly is CK being compared to? I don't live in the NW - I live in Florida. I typically don't hear compliments about the Seahawks (east coast homerism.) But, I hear plenty about Russell Wilson. I don't hear a thing about CK. unno:
This thing is going to get started back up soon and it will be a beautiful thing.

I can understand that. I currently live in Arizona and don't hear anything about RW unless I watch NFLN or ESPN. I do however hear a bunch about Kaep bacause I think cards fans consider themselves to be the Niners rival still from when Warner was playing and they still had a hard time beating us.

I just think it isn't wise to put too much stock in either QB until after they have shown that they can sustain their same level of play or better for more than a single season. I respect fans for making claims about their favorite team, but it still comes across as homerism until the player has proved he has consistency across multiple seasons.

This is not about the team... this is about RW vs. CK, correct? You're purposefully trying to inject drama here by subtle name calling (homerism) if we dare not doubt our new franchise QB. Isn't that at least mild trolling? Either that, or your comments make you sound completely oblivious to exactly what RW accomplished over the course of getting drafted on a team that didn't need him to start, won the job, improved weekly, legend grew, many accolades, lofty comparisons, lived up to every bit of it and more. You call us homers on our site b/c we don't fixate on all that a rival team fan suggests could possibly go wrong with such a promising young NFL talent? Isn't that being asinine, to put it lightly? Even if the Seahawks somehow don't do as well as expected as a team and even if Russell Wilson has a bad game or two... it would not invalidate who he is as a player. There are intangibles that separate the likes of Wilson vs. CK. Savvy, leadership, foundation of his life, etc. Those are not the type of things that lead to a promising player taking a dive. I don't hate CK as a person and sounds like he was blessed to be adopted into a loving family, etc. But, he is a bit (fittingly) self-absorbed and that usually eventually rears it's ugly head.
Arizona doesn't talk up Russell Wilson? Shocking, I tell you. You don't think it would have anything to do with 58-0 do you? If you've never lived on the east coast and had to deal with east coast bias not only on TV but in person nearly 24/7... you wouldn't realize how very significant it is what I reported about the difference between what is said about RW vs what is not about CK. But, I'm not going to go back and forth with you on that. Of course I expect you to try to talk your team QB up since you're just as envious as nearly every other team fan around the league. Sure, CK might do decently enough to get attention on a previously built team (and I agree Alex Smith could have done as well or better down the stretch last season.) But, if you ask anyone outside of the Bay area or anyone not a Niner fan, "Who would you rather build your team around?"... there would be an overwhelming clear choice. Wilson in a landslide.

http://www.seahawks.com/news/articles/a ... 5157d5d880

Let the season begin.[/quote]

I think being a Niner fan on here causes my comments to come off more negative than intended by default. Let me put it this way:

I think that any Niner fan that makes the same claims like the ones that are on here, and they do, is also being a homer. I guess I just represent the apparent minority opinion that 1 season isn't sufficient to forecast a career.

In all seriousness, I don't see anything that should cause any doubt about either of our QB's futures.

 

[TeamoftheCentury]

In all seriousness, Ninerlifer, you seem to be looking for agreement from Seahawks fans that there isn't anything that should cause you to question whether CK is as good as RW. You're trying to compare CK who is more successful than he would be if he didn't have elite speed to run in open space to a QB that is getting the same kind of mentions as the greats early on in their careers. It wasn't a stretch to see that Peyton Manning, John Elway, etc., etc. were destined for, barring injury, long, successful, and probable HOF careers. I think it's safe to say that there was an overwhelming prevailing opinion about those players just as there is about Russell Wilson. So, enough with the homerism tactic. In all honesty, it will surprise no one to see Russell Wilson playing for the Seattle Seahawks at an elite level 5 years from now... and probably more like 10 or more years from now. It's possible that CK could still be the guy in SF in a few years, but don't bet on that for already said reasons.

 

[NinerLifer]

In all seriousness, Ninerlifer, you seem to be looking for agreement from Seahawks fans that there isn't anything that should cause you to question whether CK is as good as RW. You're trying to compare CK who is more successful than he would be if he didn't have elite speed to run in open space to a QB that is getting the same kind of mentions as the greats early on in their careers. It wasn't a stretch to see that Peyton Manning, John Elway, etc., etc. were destined for, barring injury, long, successful, and probable HOF careers. I think it's safe to say that there was an overwhelming prevailing opinion about those players just as there is about Russell Wilson. So, enough with the homerism tactic. In all honesty, it will surprise no one to see Russell Wilson playing for the Seattle Seahawks at an elite level 5 years from now... and probably more like 10 or more years from now. It's possible that CK could still be the guy in SF in a few years, but don't bet on that for already said reasons.

Trust me I know I won't get an agreement from a Hawk fan on here. I would ask the question to a fan of any team in the same situation as both our teams, but I chose to ask yours as we are the only ones in this situation currently. The instance of Sam Bradford comes to mind whenever I try to convince myself that without a doubt either of our QBs are guaranteed to be Elite. Maybe I should have created another account pretending to be a Hawk fan in order to ask that question in hopes that me being a Niner fan wouldn't have caused a distraction, which would have been pretty pathetic LOL.

 

[TeamoftheCentury]

In all seriousness, Ninerlifer, you seem to be looking for agreement from Seahawks fans that there isn't anything that should cause you to question whether CK is as good as RW. You're trying to compare CK who is more successful than he would be if he didn't have elite speed to run in open space to a QB that is getting the same kind of mentions as the greats early on in their careers. It wasn't a stretch to see that Peyton Manning, John Elway, etc., etc. were destined for, barring injury, long, successful, and probable HOF careers. I think it's safe to say that there was an overwhelming prevailing opinion about those players just as there is about Russell Wilson. So, enough with the homerism tactic. In all honesty, it will surprise no one to see Russell Wilson playing for the Seattle Seahawks at an elite level 5 years from now... and probably more like 10 or more years from now. It's possible that CK could still be the guy in SF in a few years, but don't bet on that for already said reasons.

Trust me I know I won't get an agreement from a Hawk fan on here. I would ask the question to a fan of any team in the same situation as both our teams, but I chose to ask yours as we are the only ones in this situation currently. The instance of Sam Bradford comes to mind whenever I try to convince myself that without a doubt either of our QBs are guaranteed to be Elite. Maybe I should have created another account pretending to be a Hawk fan in order to ask that question in hopes that me being a Niner fan wouldn't have caused a distraction, which would have been pretty pathetic LOL.

The issue isn't about getting agreement. If there was something to agree on... I got no problem with that. It's about being objective. Our opinions are subjective until we offer objective points. I've tried to do that. So, don't try to reduce what has been said to a Niner fan not being able to get a Seahawks fan to agree. Put up a better fight than that! You've got it in you, I'm sure.

 

[Attyla the Hawk]

Trust me I know I won't get an agreement from a Hawk fan on here. I would ask the question to a fan of any team in the same situation as both our teams, but I chose to ask yours as we are the only ones in this situation currently. The instance of Sam Bradford comes to mind whenever I try to convince myself that without a doubt either of our QBs are guaranteed to be Elite.

I believe the way they went about improving is what is compelling. Wilson certainly was jedi like in his ability to solve the issue of the week before the very next game.

But beyond that, I believe the efficiency of both QBs separates them from the Staffords and the Bradfords. It's as if those two QBs are still plagued with consistency issues. They are still trying to shake off inexperience. I don't see much in the way of a potential slide back to the mean. For Wilson, the steady, rapid improvement week to week gives us a great deal more confidence in him being more than a flash in the pan guy. His ability to keep getting better and surmounting every challenge thrown at him gives an indelible expectation that he hasn't even started to approach his ceiling. Which is further amazing considering the company his performances are keeping. From the beginning, the NFL never seemed to be too big for him.

I obviously can't speak to Kaepernick's situation as I haven't followed his career arc as closely. Wilson's career feels like it developed as most rookie QBs do. Just that his development was in dog years. Where it's taken Bradford 3 years to get close to the mean or just above it, Wilson hit that mark by Halloween and ascended quickly beyond that. He just seems to have developed into a championship caliber QB in time lapse fashion.

 

[TeamoftheCentury]

Somehow I got quoted saying what Ninerlifer said. Perhaps that may be edited?
Beyond that... impressive post, Attyla. Your explanation speaking to the reason for optimism about Wilson is excellent.

 

[NinerLifer]

Trust me I know I won't get an agreement from a Hawk fan on here. I would ask the question to a fan of any team in the same situation as both our teams, but I chose to ask yours as we are the only ones in this situation currently. The instance of Sam Bradford comes to mind whenever I try to convince myself that without a doubt either of our QBs are guaranteed to be Elite.

I believe the way they went about improving is what is compelling. Wilson certainly was jedi like in his ability to solve the issue of the week before the very next game.

But beyond that, I believe the efficiency of both QBs separates them from the Staffords and the Bradfords. It's as if those two QBs are still plagued with consistency issues. They are still trying to shake off inexperience. I don't see much in the way of a potential slide back to the mean. For Wilson, the steady, rapid improvement week to week gives us a great deal more confidence in him being more than a flash in the pan guy. His ability to keep getting better and surmounting every challenge thrown at him gives an indelible expectation that he hasn't even started to approach his ceiling. Which is further amazing considering the company his performances are keeping. From the beginning, the NFL never seemed to be too big for him.

I obviously can't speak to Kaepernick's situation as I haven't followed his career arc as closely. Wilson's career feels like it developed as most rookie QBs do. Just that his development was in dog years. Where it's taken Bradford 3 years to get close to the mean or just above it, Wilson hit that mark by Halloween and ascended quickly beyond that. He just seems to have developed into a championship caliber QB in time lapse fashion.

Thank you, this is the type of response I was looking for. Your response makes sense, as I have not followed RW career closely as well neither. But I can now understand why you guys are so optimistic about Wilson.

 

[TeamoftheCentury]

I believe the way they went about improving is what is compelling. Wilson certainly was jedi like in his ability to solve the issue of the week before the very next game.

But beyond that, I believe the efficiency of both QBs separates them from the Staffords and the Bradfords. It's as if those two QBs are still plagued with consistency issues. They are still trying to shake off inexperience. I don't see much in the way of a potential slide back to the mean. For Wilson, the steady, rapid improvement week to week gives us a great deal more confidence in him being more than a flash in the pan guy. His ability to keep getting better and surmounting every challenge thrown at him gives an indelible expectation that he hasn't even started to approach his ceiling. Which is further amazing considering the company his performances are keeping. From the beginning, the NFL never seemed to be too big for him.

I obviously can't speak to Kaepernick's situation as I haven't followed his career arc as closely. Wilson's career feels like it developed as most rookie QBs do. Just that his development was in dog years. Where it's taken Bradford 3 years to get close to the mean or just above it, Wilson hit that mark by Halloween and ascended quickly beyond that. He just seems to have developed into a championship caliber QB in time lapse fashion.

Thank you, this is the type of response I was looking for. Your response makes sense, as I have not followed RW career closely as well neither. But I can now understand why you guys are so optimistic about Wilson.

That's the spirit.

 

[RichNhansom]

The comments in this thread is mild in comparison to some of the comments about Kap on your site, according to the WEB, Kap is the tallest, biggest, smartest, fastest, strongest armed QB to ever play the position... And his work ethics is second to none...

So calm down buddy, people around here are very excited about our QB and for good reason, he's extremely good..... you think he might regress next season, that could very well happen, but that's your opinion.. i don't see any reason to believe it will...

Your fans have every right to be excited about what Kap brings to the table as well... One of the fun things about being a fan in June.. expectations...

Agreed. Like I said I also don't understand how my fellow Niner fans can "guarantee" anything out of Kaep after only 10 starts to his name. I felt the same way after Alex took us to the NFCCG under Harbaugh's first year, but he apparently was still able to play at the high level he was until he got "knocked out" of his position. Harbaugh is a QB guru and a lot of the credit goes to him for the way our QB's have been performing lately, especially in the case of Alex. When he works his magic with Kaep I am optimistic that he "could" possibly be one of the best QB's of our generation, due to his raw talent and Harbs will take care of any deficiencies he has which have reportedly already been addressed this offseason.

It will be exciting to see how both our QB's pan out over the next couple seasons. But until then, I remain cautiously optimistic because anything else just comes across as being a homer.

How is that statement any different than anything you are reading here? I haven't seen anyone guaranteeing Wilson being elite, just confidence that he will continue to grow.

Kaep's big claim to fame was his legs. He did other things well of course but it's not like he was taking over games in the 4th quarter like Wilson did consistently. Our defense lost (IIRC) 4 games for us that Wilson had put us in position to win. Add that to the number of come from behind wins Wilson provided and you have a staggering number for an elite vet let alone a rookie who had to battle for position.

Kaeps biggest weakness was Wilson's greatest strength. Playing against top defenses made Wilson better. Look at his stats on 3rd down, red zone and 4th quarter. The more pressure you put on Wilson the better he performed. Can you say that about Kaep?

I know you would love to here the reasons that Wilson will struggle or why Kaep is just as good but you will have to go to a Niners board to hear that and I can summarize it for you (he is to short) but on a Seahawks website it is very unlikely you will find anyone agreeing that his future doesn't look ridiculously bright.

Next year you get to see how Kaep does without Crabtree and we get to see what Wilson can do with Harvin. I like our chances.