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JustTheTip

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We don't have to go back that far to say Pete is a liability. We can just look at last year and the pattern of the years preceding it. I think in 6 weeks it is as likely as not that we will see the same patterns emerging in this season. Hope I am wrong and Wilson leaving fixed everything.
 

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Cool story from Sherm but this is kind of a non starter to me.

That Sherm was dapping and vibing with the coach about a week ago, that KJ signed a one day contract to retire a seahawk, and praised the coaches, that ADB recently tweeted in support of coaching decisions tells you all you need to know about sour grapes.

There ain’t none.

But boy the butthurt is strong among some fans. We’re gonna have to put up with this all year long as a young team takes its lumps and growing pains.
 

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When we lost the division because Pete was celebrating and we took a delay of game at the 1 yard line against the Niners I'm not sure anything else surprises me. Pete is odd because he obviously does a lot of things very, very well. But like Fade said when he does make mistakes they are massive and odd because they're easy fixes. It's like he can't get a grasp on his obvious blind spots. I remember Saban said he had to realize he was a liability on the offensive side so he gave it up to people who were better than him and it made him a better coach because of it.
 

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Not to pile on Pete, but he is one of the worst time managers we have ever seen. EVER
 

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When we lost the division because Pete was celebrating and we took a delay of game at the 1 yard line against the Niners I'm not sure anything else surprises me. Pete is odd because he obviously does a lot of things very, very well. But like Fade said when he does make mistakes they are massive and odd because they're easy fixes. It's like he can't get a grasp on his obvious blind spots. I remember Saban said he had to realize he was a liability on the offensive side so he gave it up to people who were better than him and it made him a better coach because of it.
how about the time when the 4th quarter was starting and Pete took a Timeout with 15:00 remaining? Oh wait, it happened last season.
 

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Not to pile on Pete, but he is one of the worst time managers we have ever seen. EVER
It's a problem across the league. Most fanbases are critical of their coaches game management tendencies - similar to how most fanbases tend to dislike their coordinators and their offensive lines.
 

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Let's be fair.

The year we won the SB, there was a big fight between Tate and Harvin that never got out.

If we lose that, the story gets out and we would find a lot of people pointing at that moment as the loss. Every team has some dirty laundry, and when you lose - some of it gets aired.

Pete isn't a liability because of this, although that was a terminally stupid decision on so many levels.

Pete is a liability for what he has become, not what he was. Half of the problem is him ignoring what got him here and thinking somehow his acumen and ability was the key, not the players.

But PNW nailed it on Pete. Pete and Wilson are likely similar. They both do incredibly difficult to do things with seeming ease, but then struggle to do things that are considered skills that are a given for the position. Their ability to do the incredible makes them so valuable you basically overlook they struggle with the common. Because being able to do the exceptional, incredibly difficult, or sometimes almost impossible to consistently deliver? Sometimes outweighs struggling with some of the basics.

The problem is really when you struggle with delivering those exceptional things. Pete with his terrible defenses, horrific roster development, and Wilson with his inability to make the deep ball work for him (though admittedly, we were not getting much help from the refs on some of that.) Then the glaring weaknesses glow a bit more harshly because you are not offsetting them with the spectacular you normally deliver.

So maybe getting upset about this one is a bit much, because there is some hindsight involved. But it was still incredibly stupid to even take the risk.
 

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it doesn't piss me off because it's going on 8 years ago and life goes on.
 
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The real story here is that Malcolm Smith screwed up and injured the tone setter going into our Super Bowl. One player screws up and the whole coaching staff is to blame. You people are unbelievable.
It's like you guys didn't watch the vid. The players literally told the coaches "NO. Someone could get hurt."

The coaches made them do it anyway. Got Kam injured.
 

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It's like you guys didn't watch the vid. The players literally told the coaches "NO. Someone could get hurt."

The coaches made them do it anyway. Got Kam injured.
You're replying to a guy that is using specifics from the video to express his vastly more reasonable viewpoint, so that doesn't make any sense at all. Again, quick to judge and insult, but not so keen on simply reading what the other person is saying.

Malcolm Smith grenading Kam in the knee is a very low-probability outcome. There's risk, sure. There's risk in not installing a quick gameplan change that you think will help the team, as well.

Sometimes, you get a bad break and your linebacker torpedos your star safety in the knee. The vast majority of the time, that doesn't happen. Well under a .5% chance of any outcome remotely that bad.

Hundreds of hours of hardcore practice on the season, and it happens during a last-minute quick gameplan change. It's more unlucky than anything.
 

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But boy the butthurt is strong among some fans. We’re gonna have to put up with this all year long as a young team takes its lumps and growing pains.

The Hawks should have won a 2nd SB, but I let all this nonsense go years ago.

To continue to let it eat away at you as a fan with this revisionist history of how things went down, and what people think should have happened isn't going to change the outcome.

So why beat yourself up as a fan about it anymore?
 
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Anyway, yeah. Sometimes teams install things in walkthrough. If they refused to, you'd be pissed about lackadaisical gameplanning.
Y'see if they had gameplanned properly, it would've been installed the week prior.

Sloppy planning led to the them trying to cram it in last minute, doing a very unusual thing the day before the Super Bowl, and getting Kam injured. I am sure it also did wonders for player-coach trust going forward as well.

Players were referring to the team as the Titanic in 2015, 2016, and I didn't quite understand why.

Sherm revealing this new info, telling how it went down puts it all into perspective.
 

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The reality is things started falling apart when players started to question PC. Bennett did they shipped him off, Sherman did they did not resign him, etc etc and Wilson started to he is gone. Go back and check any player who questioned PC was let go or traded.
 

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The reality is things started falling apart when players started to question PC. Bennett did they shipped him off, Sherman did they did not resign him, etc etc and Wilson started to he is gone. Go back and check any player who questioned PC was let go or traded.
Through your lens that is true. Through a more reasoned lens they were let go because they chose themselves over the team in one way or another.

Like it or not Pete has developed a team first culture which allows for quite a bit of leeway in self expression yet the greatest of skill will eventually be trumped by an anti-team; me, me, me; I know better than you toxicity which is found in each of the cases as well as others.

The hatred for Pete Carroll is much more a reflection of personality traits of those espousing them than anything Pete Carroll has ever done.

Those expressing such negativity towards Pete Carroll, I believe, is not a one off take but a more general way of perception, and a behavior based upon a limited world view.

No doubt it can feel falsely empowering to express yourself as if you know more that the experts in the room, but how it comes across is simply that of a victim.

Blaming others is an easy out to explain the wrongs of the world - however life is much more nuanced than that - not that any of this will come across as reason for the demonstrably unreasonable.
 

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Through your lens that is true. Through a more reasoned lens they were let go because they chose themselves over the team in one way or another.

Like it or not Pete has developed a team first culture which allows for quite a bit of leeway in self expression yet the greatest of skill will eventually be trumped by an anti-team; me, me, me; I know better than you toxicity which is found in each of the cases as well as others.

The hatred for Pete Carroll is much more a reflection of personality traits of those espousing them than anything Pete Carroll has ever done.

Those expressing such negativity towards Pete Carroll, I believe, is not a one off take but a more general way of perception, and a behavior based upon a limited world view.

No doubt it can feel falsely empowering to express yourself as if you know more that the experts in the room, but how it comes across is simply that of a victim.

Blaming others is an easy out to explain the wrongs of the world - however life is much more nuanced than that - not that any of this will come across as reason for the demonstrably unreasonable.

Not my lens it's the facts but hey I know PC has spun a good yarn he did it at USC too, remind me how that worked out when he left oh yeah trouble. AS to the rest of your way over the top condescending post. good bye
 

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One less poster for J63 to reply to. Good on ya, LeaveLynchAlone. You know you hit the truth bullseye when you get the coveted... "good bye" from him!
 

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Most of us can agree it was a dumb play call. But yet again, they should also be angry about blowing a 10 point lead in the 4th quarter.
"they were playing injured" excuses in 3....2....1.......
B-B-But Jeremy Lane... Cliff Avril...
 

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