Harvin - "ailing hip"....(labrum)

[brimsalabim]

Why are we waiting on a second opinion now? From what I've read to qualify for the pre season PUP a player can't have practiced a single minute. These injuries had to be known before today.

the preseason PUP requirements for practice mean training camp, OTA's are voluntary.

ok so it happend in OTA's... then they knew about this before today right? I mean OTA's weren't yesterday.

 

[jlwaters1]

cc83"]

Kyle Williams is equivalent to Baldwin and this forum seems to think Baldwin is a formidable receiver. So yeah using your logic it makes sense. And Kyle has great hands as a receiver. I can't recall him dropping a pass. Sure, he muffed some crucial punts, but that is not an indictment on his receiving skills.

In what world is Kyle WIlliams the Equivalent of Doug Baldwin? This statement is beyond a stretch.
Williams has a whopping 461 receiving yards, 4TD's in 4 years. His best stats (2011) was 20 catches for 241 yards and 3 TD's. That' not exactly groundbreaking. That comes to 1.4 catches per game, for just 18.9 yards a game played in his 2 years he's played (2010 was basically a redshirt year). Pretty pedestrian.

2011- 13 games, 20-Catches, 241- Yards, 3- Td's, 12.0-avg.
2012 11 games, 14- Catches, 212- Yards, 1- Td's, 15.1- avg. 1- Fumble

Meanwhile Doug Baldwin in BOTH his years in the league has far outperformed:
2011 16 games, 51- catches, 788 - yards, 4- Td's, 15.5- Avg.
2012 14 games, 29- catches, 366- yards, 3- TD's, 12.6- avg.

I thought a better comparison for Williams might have been Golden Tate, whose take a few years to get going as a productive player, But after looking at the stats, that's not close either.

Golden Tate
2010 11 games, 21-catches, 227 yards, 0 TD's, 10.8 Avg.
2011 16 games, 35- catches, 382 yards, 3 TD's, 10.9 avg, 1 fumble
2012 15 games, 45- catches, 688 yards, 7 TD's, 15.3 avg, 1 fumble.

Mario Manningham is a much better player than Kyle Williams and he's merely average.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

Why are we waiting on a second opinion now? From what I've read to qualify for the pre season PUP a player can't have practiced a single minute. These injuries had to be known before today.

the preseason PUP requirements for practice mean training camp, OTA's are voluntary.

ok so it happend in OTA's... then they knew about this before today right? I mean OTA's weren't yesterday.

But Saturday his "gas tank (was) full" and he was "ready for camp". :snack:

 

[Smelly McUgly]

cc83"]

Kyle Williams is equivalent to Baldwin and this forum seems to think Baldwin is a formidable receiver. So yeah using your logic it makes sense. And Kyle has great hands as a receiver. I can't recall him dropping a pass. Sure, he muffed some crucial punts, but that is not an indictment on his receiving skills.

In what world is Kyle WIlliams the Equivalent of Doug Baldwin? This statement is beyond a stretch.

Because what happens is that Niners fans see Kyle Williams make a fantastically athletic catch and extrapolate that over if he started sixteen games in the slot.

But the truth is that Williams is a mediocre route-runner that drops balls at the worst time, and I am going to the metrics to prove that if need be. He makes flashy plays, but then he makes boneheaded plays right after that cancel out the flashy plays.

 

[Throwdown]

cc83"]

Kyle Williams is equivalent to Baldwin and this forum seems to think Baldwin is a formidable receiver. So yeah using your logic it makes sense. And Kyle has great hands as a receiver. I can't recall him dropping a pass. Sure, he muffed some crucial punts, but that is not an indictment on his receiving skills.

In what world is Kyle WIlliams the Equivalent of Doug Baldwin? This statement is beyond a stretch.

Because what happens is that Niners fans see Kyle Williams make a fantastically athletic catch and extrapolate that over if he started sixteen games in the slot.

But the truth is that Williams is a mediocre route-runner that drops balls at the worst time, and I am going to the metrics to prove that if need be. He makes flashy plays, but then he makes boneheaded plays right after that cancel out the flashy plays.

Sounds like early career Golden Tate, except... He's not Golden Tate.

 

[Smelly McUgly]

Kyle Williams was about half as good as Golden Tate in college, so no, not by a long-shot, but yeah, I think that's how quite a few Niners fans envision him. I would guess that a lot of them are cautiously optimistic for a Tate-like breakout season this year, especially with Crabtree out.

 

[SoHo9erFan]

cc83"]

Kyle Williams is equivalent to Baldwin and this forum seems to think Baldwin is a formidable receiver. So yeah using your logic it makes sense. And Kyle has great hands as a receiver. I can't recall him dropping a pass. Sure, he muffed some crucial punts, but that is not an indictment on his receiving skills.

In what world is Kyle WIlliams the Equivalent of Doug Baldwin? This statement is beyond a stretch.
Williams has a whopping 461 receiving yards, 4TD's in 4 years. His best stats (2011) was 20 catches for 241 yards and 3 TD's. That' not exactly groundbreaking. That comes to 1.4 catches per game, for just 18.9 yards a game played in his 2 years he's played (2010 was basically a redshirt year). Pretty pedestrian.

2011- 13 games, 20-Catches, 241- Yards, 3- Td's, 12.0-avg.
2012 11 games, 14- Catches, 212- Yards, 1- Td's, 15.1- avg. 1- Fumble

Meanwhile Doug Baldwin in BOTH his years in the league has far outperformed:
2011 16 games, 51- catches, 788 - yards, 4- Td's, 15.5- Avg.
2012 14 games, 29- catches, 366- yards, 3- TD's, 12.6- avg.

I thought a better comparison for Williams might have been Golden Tate, whose take a few years to get going as a productive player, But after looking at the stats, that's not close either.

Golden Tate
2010 11 games, 21-catches, 227 yards, 0 TD's, 10.8 Avg.
2011 16 games, 35- catches, 382 yards, 3 TD's, 10.9 avg, 1 fumble
2012 15 games, 45- catches, 688 yards, 7 TD's, 15.3 avg, 1 fumble.

Mario Manningham is a much better player than Kyle Williams and he's merely average.

Alex Smith has been Kyle Williams QB. He only had 2 or 3 games with Kaep before he went down. Alex Smith was afraid to throw the ball outside the margins. That's why we eventually made the switch to Kaep. Because Harbaugh knew the offense was way more dynamic with a QB willing to throw the ball down field instead of checking down to RBs or rely on Vernon Davis the whole game. Kyle was a huge loss last season. Same with Manningham. Both went down around the same time Kaep became the started. Imagine what those receivers could do in an offense that was more aggressive than an Alex Smith offense. Kaep is willing to target his receivers. Smith never did. Kyle Williams and Manningham will be highly productive in an offense run by Kaep.

Usually stats are a reliable source to judge a player, but in Kyle's instance I don't think it is an accurate way to measure his ability and talent.

 

[SoHo9erFan]

cc83"]

Kyle Williams is equivalent to Baldwin and this forum seems to think Baldwin is a formidable receiver. So yeah using your logic it makes sense. And Kyle has great hands as a receiver. I can't recall him dropping a pass. Sure, he muffed some crucial punts, but that is not an indictment on his receiving skills.

In what world is Kyle WIlliams the Equivalent of Doug Baldwin? This statement is beyond a stretch.

Because what happens is that Niners fans see Kyle Williams make a fantastically athletic catch and extrapolate that over if he started sixteen games in the slot.

But the truth is that Williams is a mediocre route-runner that drops balls at the worst time, and I am going to the metrics to prove that if need be. He makes flashy plays, but then he makes boneheaded plays right after that cancel out the flashy plays.

You obviously don't know what your talking about. Kyle has never been a slot receiver in the NFL. Crabtree always assumes that role when we go into 3 WRs set. Kyle always plays on the outside. He is not a slot receiver. Week 1 you will see:
Manningham-- Boldin-- Davis--- Williams as our 3 WR set. Go ahead and believe Colin can't get the job done with that core. Especially when we have Gore, James, or Hunter in the backfield.

 

[Hawknballs]

kyle williams sucks. can we stop talking about him now? Thanks.

 

[Smelly McUgly]

No, I watched Kyle Williams be inconsistent as a Sun Devil for years, I know what I'm talking about.

Kyle Williams on the outside should be fun, though. We can just let everyone cover Vernon Davis and spy Kaepernick out of the backfield if Williams is SF's Z receiver.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

I pop in here to get info on Percy and I'm polluted with all this Niners comparisons. WTH? WGAS?

 

[SDHawk]

I'm amazed at how efficiently these 9ers fans hijack a thread.

 

[-The Glove-]

I pop in here to get info on Percy and I'm polluted with all this Niners comparisons. WTH? WGAS?

Yup. Sick of every other thread being ruined

 

[hawkfannj]

Well this sucks .

 

[SonicHawk]

I heard Kaepernick has a torn labia.

 

[AF_Hawk]

Hoping for the best....

 

[TheRealDTM]

I heard Kaepernick has a torn labia.

Really I heard he and Lockette had an accident and he tore something else....

 

[Sarlacc83]

Kyle Williams is equivalent to Baldwin and this forum seems to think Baldwin is a formidable receiver. So yeah using your logic it makes sense. And Kyle has great hands as a receiver. I can't recall him dropping a pass. Sure, he muffed some crucial punts, but that is not an indictment on his receiving skills.

In other words, you're concocting a strawman argument based on things I never said (and which isn't even the prevailing opinion of this board, discounting the fact that most people think he's a warrior after getting back on the field after the Arizona game). Furthermore, Dougie Fresh had 2 TDs against SF, didn't he? Looks to me like your savior has amassed a whopping 22 yards on 2 catches against Seattle.

And yes, dropping crucial punts IS an indictment. An indictment about his hands of stone. My head hurts looking at this poor attempt at this defense of what's going to be a terrible receiving corps next year.

Whatever. He only played one game against your squad. The one game was with Alex Smith at QB who rarely targeted WRs compared to Kaep. Kyle was a huge loss last season. Same with Manningham. Both went down around the same time Kaep became the started. Imagine what those receivers could do in an offense that was more aggressive than an Alex Smith offense. Mario and Kyle will return by Week 1. Both are formidable receivers. Your blind hate is really old.

Correction 2 games against Seattle.

More importantly, you're calling me a blind hater because you can't back up your arguments with facts or logic, so you have to resort to what ifs and red herrings. However, I'm done arguing about this because reality will set in soon enough, and we should be talking about a real formidable receiver and not one who should be auditioning for the part of the Rock Biter in the reboot of Neverending Story. *Such big strong hands*

 

[Shadyhawk182]

Soooo...what are the chances hid season is done before starting?

 

[loafoftatupu]

Soooo...what are the chances hid season is done before starting?

I am actually just planning on him not being on the field all season while he watches his team tear it up.