Geno ain't goin' anywhere -

[Hawknight]

me? I am firmly on the trade or release Geno now crowd. I would leave the stat war to you and your adversaries.

Welcome to the GeNo club!

 

[SoulfishHawk]

 

[Kybowen75]

I understand his cap hit is $44m but if we cut him the dead money is $13m so in effect keeping Geno costs $30m.

The alternatives are another proven starting level QB like Darnold for $45-$50. A back-up that we hope we can turn into a starter like we did with Geno (though Geno had been with the team for years so we knew exactly what we had) or a Rookie that is available to us in a weak year for QBs when we pick at 18 with no time to develop and what is likely to still be a very weak O-line to pretect him (especially is the QB is taken in the first round).

 

[Double Tribble]

Hope isn’t a business plan. Y’all know damn well if we take a QB, cut Geno and the QB goes out and plays like shit you will all sit there and whine and bitch and moan like you do now with Geno.

I know you’ll come back with we get a better draft pick but draft picks aren’t a sure thing. 3 in the top 4 last year (young, stroud, AR) and only one has looked decent. A class like last hasn’t been seen in 40 years so you can’t point to that one.

Building a team off hope is losers mentality. Something JS, Mike and Jody want no part of it. All you have to do is listen to any of their interviews.

Did I miss something? Did we win a sb with Geno or something? Hate to break it to you, but we are losing now with Geno. So the "loser mentality" accusations are pretty laughable.

 

[Ozzy]

me? I am firmly on the trade or release Geno now crowd. I would leave the stat war to you and your adversaries.

I’m just having fun with it. I’m all honesty, which I’ve said before, you can make decent arguments for keeping or moving on from Geno. That’s why it’s such a polarizing topic.

 

[Wsumatt1982]

Did I miss something? Did we win a sb with Geno or something? Hate to break it to you, but we are losing now with Geno. So the "loser mentality" accusations are pretty laughable.

You must have missed we have not had one losing season with Geno. 9-8, 9-8, 10-7. That may not be winning a championship over that span, but 30 other teams can say the same thing. Winning records looks a lot like winning to me. If you think this team with a better QB was in position to win a championship, then I'm not sure what you've been watching. The window to compete for championships isn't open until about 2026. Maybe 2025 with a very good draft and FA.

 

[Double Tribble]

You must have missed we have not had one losing season with Geno. 9-8, 9-8, 10-7. That may not be winning a championship over that span, but 30 other teams can say the same thing. Winning records looks a lot like winning to me. If you think this team with a better QB was in position to win a championship, then I'm not sure what you've been watching.

Wow. If winning 8-10 games every year and not ever winning a playoff game, let alone a championship, is good enough for you, then honestly, that's just kind of sad. I would much rather aim high and miss, than aim low and hit, just so I can take comfort in a "winning record." You can't hit home runs by taking bunts.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

He'll be here in 2025, might as well get used to it.

 

[Wsumatt1982]

Wow. If winning 8-10 games every year and not ever winning a playoff game, let alone a championship, is good enough for you, then honestly, that's just kind of sad. I would much rather aim high and miss, than aim low and hit, just so I can take comfort in a "winning record."

According to you then the entire team should be let go, top to bottom. They haven't won in 3 years with Geno there, what a bunch of ******* losers? The team wasn't built to win but all 53 players should have overachieved.

It's not all or nothing. Just because we didn't win doesn't mean I'm not still patient. I saw this team have major flaws and still win 10 games with areas of vast improvement to build upon. But go ahead, keep wanting to tear all of that down. Maybe one day throwing shit at the wall will stick right?

There's a reason GM's never listen to fans like you. That's how they get fired.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

There are arguments to be made on both sides of the Geno thing. Comes with the QB position.

 

[Chapow]

You can't hit home runs by taking bunts.

Sure, and hitting home runs isn't the only way to win.

 

[Jegpeg]

Wow. If winning 8-10 games every year and not ever winning a playoff game, let alone a championship, is good enough for you, then honestly, that's just kind of sad. I would much rather aim high and miss, than aim low and hit, just so I can take comfort in a "winning record." You can't hit home runs by taking bunts.

If anything short of a SB is failure 31 sets of fans are disapointed every year are disappointed with a 3% chance to be happy I don't think I would enjoy the game.

However you rate success I think we are more likely to win the SB / win a playoff game / make the play-offs if invest out 1st round pick in O-line this season rather than get a rookie QB and spend Geno's Cap hit (net of dead money) to fix the O-line.

 

[Wsumatt1982]

If anything short of a SB is failure 31 sets of fans are disapointed every year are disappointed with a 3% chance to be happy I don't think I would enjoy the game.

However you rate success I think we are more likely to win the SB / win a playoff game / make the play-offs if invest out 1st round pick in O-line this season rather than get a rookie QB and spend Geno's Cap hit (net of dead money) to fix the O-line.

Exactly. We won a championship with Russ because we had the team built around him to succeed and he came in and beat out a highly paid Flynn at the time.

You draft a QB now when the team is close but not there yet you have started the window for him to get paid and the supporting cast has to be dismantled.

How soon people forget.

There’s more than one way to build a championship team but that’s been proven to be the most sustainable unless you have a QB in the GOAT conversation. Brady took massive pay cuts to keep winning. That’s rare.

Regardless what you think of Geno, he’s been winning. Look no further than his record the 3 years he’s been the starter. The team has a winning culture and that goes far beyond X’s and O’s.

It’s coming together but it takes patience. We still have a few more pieces to fill before moving on from Geno. Don’t need to make one more need and push it to the front of the line when it’s not necessary to do so.

 

[chrispy]

So you're good being the 4th longest streak in the NFC to make it to the conference championship game and having no playoff wins in years because hey we win 8-10 games a year. That's fine but for many it's not. We want to be a playoff team and compete. I don't want a Seattle Mariners situation which is what Seattle has slipped into since Russ left and even little before.

If drafting a QB is a 50/50 bet what is Geno who has never won a playoff game then?

I wasn't taking a side one way or another. It's 50/50 and it's JSs call. I'm anxious to see how it plays out.

Everyone that disdains Geno must have loved Drew Lock and now Sam Howell. Insisting on a new QB comes with accepting the result. I'm good if it goes that way, but if Geno isn't a Seahawk this season, good chance Sam starts.
Personally, I hope for better QB play and I don't really care if it's a result of a different QB, different OC, different system, different OLine personnel, different blocking scheme.... Also, I'm not judging you if you only want a different QB. You be you man.

 

[Ozzy]

I wasn't taking a side one way or another. It's 50/50 and it's JSs call. I'm anxious to see how it plays out.

Everyone that disdains Geno must have loved Drew Lock and now Sam Howell. Insisting on a new QB comes with accepting the result. I'm good if it goes that way, but if Geno isn't a Seahawk this season, good chance Sam starts.
Personally, I hope for better QB play and I don't really care if it's a result of a different QB, different OC, different system, different OLine personnel, different blocking scheme.... Also, I'm not judging you if you only want a different QB. You be you man.

I’m with you dude. I want someone new (and it’s fine if someone doesn’t) hit regardless I want better than 16 touchdowns and 15 picks for the year (before the throw away game) and a QBR in the mid 20’s. If it’s Geno then fine he needs to be massively better. If you can go way cheaper, have a young guy who looks to have a bright future and use that money to improve other areas? That’s ideal to me but if not I’ll be cheering for Geno nonetheless

 

[Jegpeg]

I guess people prefer different things.

If we keep Geno we know where we stand maybe unlikely to win a superbowl (say 1%) but about a 50% chance to make the play-offs. Very unlikely we would have less than 6 or 7 wins.

If we dump Geno and take a rookie in the draft like Jaxon Dart then:

• We could find we have the next Mahomes (though even he had a season to learn the ropes of the NFL what would have happened if he was thrown straight in is unknown). Odds are extremely low (IMO less than 1%) but if it happens probably make the play-offs this season and then be SB contenders after that even after his rookie contract ends.
• We could have someone like RW3. Again the odds are very low, in this scenario we have a chance of a SB or two during his rookie contract but when he gets paid, (and everyone else on the team can attract more money elsewhere because we are successful) we go back to being a team that might make the play-offs but wont go all the way.
• The best we are likely to do is get a servicable starter, after a year or two. Maybe 6 or 7 wins this season a couple more in year 2 maybe making the pay-offs and a decent chance of winning a playoff game in year 3 or 4.
• The most likely scenario is they are a bust, possible capable of being a back-up if winning 9 or 10 games is a failure what is winning half that? You then end up like the Jets gettign a high draft pick every year and trying to find QB that can win you games, meanwhile team morale goes way down making the task all the harder.

Of course drafting a QB in the later rounds can have the same results. The odds of success are lower because they are rated lower by scouting staff but if we keep Geno that is partially offset by the confidence taking a hit as they they try to adapt to the speed of the NFL while being the most important member of the team getting attacked for everything they do wrong. That is why I favor keeping Geno (either on his current contract or via an extension / rework that allows us to cut him is a year or two without huge amounts of dead cap) and getting a QB on day 2 or 3.

 

[Ozzy]

I guess people prefer different things.

If we keep Geno we know where we stand maybe unlikely to win a superbowl (say 1%) but about a 50% chance to make the play-offs. Very unlikely we would have less than 6 or 7 wins.

If we dump Geno and take a rookie in the draft like Jaxon Dart then:

• We could find we have the next Mahomes (though even he had a season to learn the ropes of the NFL what would have happened if he was thrown straight in is unknown). Odds are extremely low (IMO less than 1%) but if it happens probably make the play-offs this season and then be SB contenders after that even after his rookie contract ends.
• We could have someone like RW3. Again the odds are very low, in this scenario we have a chance of a SB or two during his rookie contract but when he gets paid, (and everyone else on the team can attract more money elsewhere because we are successful) we go back to being a team that might make the play-offs but wont go all the way.
• The best we are likely to do is get a servicable starter, after a year or two. Maybe 6 or 7 wins this season a couple more in year 2 maybe making the pay-offs and a decent chance of winning a playoff game in year 3 or 4.
• The most likely scenario is they are a bust, possible capable of being a back-up if winning 9 or 10 games is a failure what is winning half that? You then end up like the Jets gettign a high draft pick every year and trying to find QB that can win you games, meanwhile team morale goes way down making the task all the harder.

Of course drafting a QB in the later rounds can have the same results. The odds of success are lower because they are rated lower by scouting staff but if we keep Geno that is partially offset by the confidence taking a hit as they they try to adapt to the speed of the NFL while being the most important member of the team getting attacked for everything they do wrong. That is why I favor keeping Geno (either on his current contract or via an extension / rework that allows us to cut him is a year or two without huge amounts of dead cap) and getting a QB on day 2 or 3.

I don’t agree but I also admit it’s a reasonable approach. There really isn’t a wrong or right because we don’t know the outcomes. Just depends on how someone views building a team that can compete. I just think we’ve become the mariners in a sense with one of the least successful playoff teams in the NFC for years now so why keep doing the same thing. But I also concede it’s possible Geno has a big rebound year with a new staff and some holes fixed. It’s just hard to believe John is going to nail the line when he never has.

Time will tell tho

 

[Double Tribble]

We all have opinions, and that's awesome. I'm resigned to keeping Geno around for a year, hopefully just to let a rookie acclimate. Beyond that however, we are spinning our wheels and wasting time. The rest of the league is passing us by, and by extending Gediocre, we are indicating that we have no intention of keeping up. Instead of "always compete" our mantra seems to have become "always settle."

 

[Wsumatt1982]

I guess people prefer different things.

If we keep Geno we know where we stand maybe unlikely to win a superbowl (say 1%) but about a 50% chance to make the play-offs. Very unlikely we would have less than 6 or 7 wins.

If we dump Geno and take a rookie in the draft like Jaxon Dart then:

• We could find we have the next Mahomes (though even he had a season to learn the ropes of the NFL what would have happened if he was thrown straight in is unknown). Odds are extremely low (IMO less than 1%) but if it happens probably make the play-offs this season and then be SB contenders after that even after his rookie contract ends.
• We could have someone like RW3. Again the odds are very low, in this scenario we have a chance of a SB or two during his rookie contract but when he gets paid, (and everyone else on the team can attract more money elsewhere because we are successful) we go back to being a team that might make the play-offs but wont go all the way.
• The best we are likely to do is get a servicable starter, after a year or two. Maybe 6 or 7 wins this season a couple more in year 2 maybe making the pay-offs and a decent chance of winning a playoff game in year 3 or 4.
• The most likely scenario is they are a bust, possible capable of being a back-up if winning 9 or 10 games is a failure what is winning half that? You then end up like the Jets gettign a high draft pick every year and trying to find QB that can win you games, meanwhile team morale goes way down making the task all the harder.

Of course drafting a QB in the later rounds can have the same results. The odds of success are lower because they are rated lower by scouting staff but if we keep Geno that is partially offset by the confidence taking a hit as they they try to adapt to the speed of the NFL while being the most important member of the team getting attacked for everything they do wrong. That is why I favor keeping Geno (either on his current contract or via an extension / rework that allows us to cut him is a year or two without huge amounts of dead cap) and getting a QB on day 2 or 3.

Exactly. This is the right approach where we are at and exactly what I’ve been saying.

 

[GemCity]

I guess people prefer different things.

If we keep Geno we know where we stand maybe unlikely to win a superbowl (say 1%) but about a 50% chance to make the play-offs. Very unlikely we would have less than 6 or 7 wins.

If we dump Geno and take a rookie in the draft like Jaxon Dart then:

• We could find we have the next Mahomes (though even he had a season to learn the ropes of the NFL what would have happened if he was thrown straight in is unknown). Odds are extremely low (IMO less than 1%) but if it happens probably make the play-offs this season and then be SB contenders after that even after his rookie contract ends.
• We could have someone like RW3. Again the odds are very low, in this scenario we have a chance of a SB or two during his rookie contract but when he gets paid, (and everyone else on the team can attract more money elsewhere because we are successful) we go back to being a team that might make the play-offs but wont go all the way.
• The best we are likely to do is get a servicable starter, after a year or two. Maybe 6 or 7 wins this season a couple more in year 2 maybe making the pay-offs and a decent chance of winning a playoff game in year 3 or 4.
• The most likely scenario is they are a bust, possible capable of being a back-up if winning 9 or 10 games is a failure what is winning half that? You then end up like the Jets gettign a high draft pick every year and trying to find QB that can win you games, meanwhile team morale goes way down making the task all the harder.

Of course drafting a QB in the later rounds can have the same results. The odds of success are lower because they are rated lower by scouting staff but if we keep Geno that is partially offset by the confidence taking a hit as they they try to adapt to the speed of the NFL while being the most important member of the team getting attacked for everything they do wrong. That is why I favor keeping Geno (either on his current contract or via an extension / rework that allows us to cut him is a year or two without huge amounts of dead cap) and getting a QB on day 2 or 3.

This is where I’m at. Geno is our best option this season. I honestly can’t form an opinion (in good faith) until we do something about our line play.

But, we have to start taking shots at QBs at some point.

You plan to be your most competitive. Every..single…season.