Emmanuel Sanders traded to the 49ers

[Popeyejones]

There are other factors, but you cannot realistically say that Jed or the 49ers-Seahawk hype or fan sentiment had nothing to do with the Sherm signing when it happened.

I absolutely can realistically say that it had nothing to do with it.

Shanny and Lynch have been trying to rebuild a depleted roster, not making signings to score points on some rivalry that had died out years before either of them even cared about the 49ers. :lol:

Part of that project was bringing in veterans who had experience in the schemes they were installing.

It's why they brought in three former Seahawks on defense and not a single one on offense; it's why they brought in multiple players on offense with experience in Shanny's scheme and not a single player from Shanahan's previous stops on defense.

On top of that, Joe Staley is the only 9ers player from that era that is even still on the team -- Shanny and Lynch quickly got rid of the rest of them.

Trust me, what we as fans care about is really not the same thing as what coaches and GMs care about.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

Maybe you and Marv here are right. Certainly, the culture in the building has changed.

A lot of my impressions stem from years back when Jed was always opening mouth inserting foot. Like Jed firing Harbaugh and replacing him with Tomsula. Jed saying stonefaced that "we're only here to win the Super Bowl" when that was preposterous then. Baalke's repeatedly failed drafts. Issues around the building and selling of Levi's. Mostly Jed though. It seemed like a Daniel Snyder situation that I assumed even in this year had to prevail.

That said, in hindsight I am impressed at this level of rebuild. They got Lynch, they got Shan. They stacked their starters with impressive depth showing more than knee-jerk moves that had been apparent only a few short years ago and for which I personally defined them. When Juice and McG went down, I thought for sure that was it. One-dimensional play same as seen with Kaep in 2013. I still have the Dawson jersey that a diehard 49ers fan gifted me with, because the routine strategy was that he'd close. They really did not have other viable strategies then as we have all seen.

I don't root for your team. While JimmyG's ceiling is arguably yet to be seen, gut check tells me he is good but not a true great. But credit is to be had. They really got all the pieces together this year.

 

[5_Golden_Rings]

There are other factors, but you cannot realistically say that Jed or the 49ers-Seahawk hype or fan sentiment had nothing to do with the Sherm signing when it happened. If y'all went to Levi's in that time period, you'd see how they'd put up Seahawk losing scores just to get the fan base animated. If you're in market, you saw everyone in the local media highlight Sherm more than the QB.

What I am conceding now is that I was wrong in saying this was the only--and possibly pre-eminent factor. They didn't extend that to say Chancellor. That should have alerted SEA that possibly the possibility of real play was a factor. It didn't. SEA got in its own way with assuming they were right, this guy couldn't play at all (which is what a failed physical followed by release implies). They had right of first refusal and declined for someone who's promising, yes, but who comes with baggage far more sympathetic and harder to get rid of, which they're still not acknowledging. They could have gotten Sherm to play another year or two while having the same record instead of switching him for one of many promising someones who so far is only unique in getting a 1 for 2 quid pro quo unique to the NFL. Unprecedented heights of diva-ism, way more than Sherm IMO.

Sherm was tactically a very smart move for 49ers football-wise. There's nothing to be done about that personally really other than to bait my 49ers-homer SO with what he himself said about Sherm, particularly after the 2013 NFCCG game or seeing Sherm eat turkey over the 50 yard line. All the "character" stuff. But even he conceded at the time that things would be different if Sherm were on his team, which he now is.

If I recall correctly, he was the SECOND cornerback they tried to get. They lost in the trade battle for Aqib Talib with the Rams.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/profootbal ... cisco/amp/

Sherman was kind of a merging of initial bad luck, opportunity and timing.

 

[Marvin49]

Maybe you and Marv here are right. Certainly, the culture in the building has changed.

A lot of my impressions stem from years back when Jed was always opening mouth inserting foot. Like Jed firing Harbaugh and replacing him with Tomsula. Jed saying stonefaced that "we're only here to win the Super Bowl" when that was preposterous then. Baalke's repeatedly failed drafts. Issues around the building and selling of Levi's. Mostly Jed though. It seemed like a Daniel Snyder situation that I assumed even in this year had to prevail.

That said, in hindsight I am impressed at this level of rebuild. They got Lynch, they got Shan. They stacked their starters with impressive depth showing more than knee-jerk moves that had been apparent only a few short years ago and for which I personally defined them. When Juice and McG went down, I thought for sure that was it. One-dimensional play same as seen with Kaep in 2013. I still have the Dawson jersey that a diehard 49ers fan gifted me with, because the routine strategy was that he'd close. They really did not have other viable strategies then as we have all seen.

I don't root for your team. While JimmyG's ceiling is arguably yet to be seen, gut check tells me he is good but not a true great. But credit is to be had. They really got all the pieces together this year.

So...about all that (the bolded)...

I don't disagree, but I think there is context. I am NOT, and I want to accentuate this, NOT saying York didn't make any mistakes. He made plenty.

1) York is NOT Dan Snyder. Say what you want about Jed, but he hires guys and he gets out of the way. He lets the GM be the GM and he lets the coaches coach. Now were there times he said something on twitter that I wish he hadn't? Absolutely. The dude wants to win. He broke his hand punching a wall when they lost a few years ago. On eof his quotes that so many latched onto I COMPLETELY agree with.

It was from Lowell Cohn, a little weasel of a reporter asking about how an owner can be held accountable. His response?

"I own this football team,” York said. “You don’t dismiss owners". Ya know what? HE'S RIGHT.

2) Harbaugh. Harbaugh ain't the easiest guy to get along with. Even so, they could have suckjed it up, but IMO it was dysfunctional between the GM and HC and it simply wasn't going to work. Baalke was much easier to get along with and that was the decision. Yes...I think he chose the wrong guy.

3) Baalke. I have really mixed feelings on Baalke to be honest. If all I'm doin is moving up and down in the draft or acquiring picks, he's the guy I want. Making those picks....ehhh. Choosing coaches? Yikes.

Jim Tomsula was LOVED in SF. I mean they absolutely loved that guy. They almost had Gase hired but asked to have Tomsula as Gase DC and it fell apart. It sounds like such a strange hill to die on, but they loved that guy in a big way. He just wasn't ever cut out to be a HC.

Kelly? That was nothing more than Baalke desperately trying to keep his job. That was a Hail Mary. Jed should have stopped it, or better yet, should have canned Baalke after Tomsula, but it is what it is.

Jed finally realized it though, and canned the entire staff. That's really what made all of this possible. Complete Franchise Reset.

As Popeye said, the only guy left from those old SF-49er rivalries is Staley and Sherman, but Sherman is on the other side now.

...and those Baalke draft picks that failed so badly? His picks were bad...no questions, but three of them are big parts of the current 49er dominant D: DeForest Buckner, Arik Armstead, and Jimmie Ward.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

Cohn's question (and I dislike Cohn) was prompted by Jed having told everyone to "hold him accountable." In context, it was a fair question to ask.

I was going to bring up the D pieces as coming before. Baalke did have some excellent picks but it seemed an inordinate number of guys started hurt and stayed that way more than less.Some things are sometimes going to happen--i.e. Jared McKinnon--but it seemed to happen past the tipping point due to poor planning and no real answer when that happened. Whereas now, they can wait for someone like Jimmy Ward. No sentimentality involved, that guy is truly special.

I know what you're saying about Harbaugh. He's technically off the Walsh tree, but his personality was more Belichick and couldn't be sustained without BB levels of performance, especially when you're being disrespectful to your higher ups (which I don't think BB is). But still, if they'd then elevated Fangio, at least people would see that it was logically consistent. Fangio was a DC with a lot of experience and history fitting in with team culture. I will always wonder why they weren't comfortable with trying him. Even then, Gase was seen as a logical fit, but per the majority of sportswriters, Jed had a hand in blowing that up in favor of Tomsula. It was a radical gambit taken by a man who had, after all, actually invited the fans to "hold him accountable."

It'll be interesting to see how the fan base evolves. The "real" fans have largely had the fanbase (as well as the stadium) for some time, but not all your fairweathers/newbs of 2019 will leave in the non-playoff years to come unless they feel unwelcome/charged off. It is genuinely great to see the division this strong again, old rivalries reignited with what;s now happening in the present. It makes the games more fun ultimately when there's real competition among us.

 

[Popeyejones]

Good post.

I think Tomsula over Fangio was mostly Baalke, who had just won the Harbaugh war, making the ultimate power play. Jed picked between the two and then gave his pick the reigns.

That's still on Jed of course, but if you interpret what he does through the lense of immaturity and incompetence instead of controlling and evilness everything about him makes much more sense.

 

[billbird2111]

Link:

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status ... 5084094469

LOL...beat me to it.

COME HOME, MARVIN!!!

 

[5_Golden_Rings]

Well, Sanders didn’t waste much time becoming the 49ers number one wr.

 

[Braap49er]

Marvin, its time to come home. Walk home, run home, skip home, drive home, uber home. i dont care how you do it. Just come home. xoxo

 

[Maulbert]

What kind of magic spell did you cast on these people, Marv?

 

[Marvin49]

What kind of magic spell did you cast on these people, Marv?

LOL. :lol:

 

[RolandDeschain]

How bad is the Webzone when Marvin, a die hard 9er fan posts here often and won't post there for 7 weeks? Wow, no wonder I've heard the term "cesspool" so often.

Its actually been a lot longer than 7 weeks. LOL.

I used to post every week and I haven't posted at all over there.

I don't have a problem with it so much, but whenever I post the way I do (a "Thoughts after rewatching the game") I get a parade of people who have only been there a few months or years bitching about me posting in the wrong place or duplicating a thread.

"Why does Marvin get to post like this and we don't!?! Wah!"

Some get pissed because I dare stray onto THIS board.

Got tiresome.

There are a ton of posters over there I like and respect, but there are quite a few that make me not want to. It takes time to put together one of those posts and when the first few responses are "TLDR", or "why do you get to post like this and I don't"...why bother?

.NET > 49ers Webzone, Marvin confirms.

I'm seriously not trolling you, dude. I used to post there some, but haven't in years. It really is a cesspool. *shrug*

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

I took a look at the zone's dedicated Seahawk thread. It's nothing like say 2014, more measured on all sides.

That said, it's easier to be "civil" when things are going your way. I more understand their reactions to the NFCCG and Turkey Day 50-yard celebration now.

 

[Marvin49]

I took a look at the zone's dedicated Seahawk thread. It's nothing like say 2014, more measured on all sides.

That said, it's easier to be "civil" when things are going your way. I more understand their reactions to the NFCCG and Turkey Day 50-yard celebration now.

NFCCG was painful...but moreso now because its really when the run ended. Harbaugh/Baalke, injuries, retirements, etc. That was all she wrote until now.

The Turkey on the 50? I can honestly say that was the angriest I've ever been as a Niner fan, and it was NOT directed at Russell Wilson or Richard Sherman....well a little at Sherman.

It was the Network that set that situation up. I don't see Wilson as a guy that would be that disrespectful to a teams logo and field. I don't know that he had a choice?

Sherman, at that point I don't think he cared.

That to me tho was the most f'ed up thing a Network has done to a team. They didn't just give them a drumstick or something. They had a TABLE setup at the 50.

 

[Maulbert]

I took a look at the zone's dedicated Seahawk thread. It's nothing like say 2014, more measured on all sides.

That said, it's easier to be "civil" when things are going your way. I more understand their reactions to the NFCCG and Turkey Day 50-yard celebration now.

NFCCG was painful...but moreso now because its really when the run ended. Harbaugh/Baalke, injuries, retirements, etc. That was all she wrote until now.

The Turkey on the 50? I can honestly say that was the angriest I've ever been as a Niner fan, and it was NOT directed at Russell Wilson or Richard Sherman....well a little at Sherman.

It was the Network that set that situation up. I don't see Wilson as a guy that would be that disrespectful to a teams logo and field. I don't know that he had a choice?

Sherman, at that point I don't think he cared.

That to me tho was the most f'ed up thing a Network has done to a team. They didn't just give them a drumstick or something. They had a TABLE setup at the 50.

I find it silly that you guys got upset about that. Remember what TO did in Dallas on the star.

 

[chris98251]

I took a look at the zone's dedicated Seahawk thread. It's nothing like say 2014, more measured on all sides.

That said, it's easier to be "civil" when things are going your way. I more understand their reactions to the NFCCG and Turkey Day 50-yard celebration now.

NFCCG was painful...but moreso now because its really when the run ended. Harbaugh/Baalke, injuries, retirements, etc. That was all she wrote until now.

The Turkey on the 50? I can honestly say that was the angriest I've ever been as a Niner fan, and it was NOT directed at Russell Wilson or Richard Sherman....well a little at Sherman.

It was the Network that set that situation up. I don't see Wilson as a guy that would be that disrespectful to a teams logo and field. I don't know that he had a choice?

Sherman, at that point I don't think he cared.

That to me tho was the most f'ed up thing a Network has done to a team. They didn't just give them a drumstick or something. They had a TABLE setup at the 50.

Well really they should have had the whole team there, after all we did feast on the 49ers that day

 

[Marvin49]

I took a look at the zone's dedicated Seahawk thread. It's nothing like say 2014, more measured on all sides.

That said, it's easier to be "civil" when things are going your way. I more understand their reactions to the NFCCG and Turkey Day 50-yard celebration now.

NFCCG was painful...but moreso now because its really when the run ended. Harbaugh/Baalke, injuries, retirements, etc. That was all she wrote until now.

The Turkey on the 50? I can honestly say that was the angriest I've ever been as a Niner fan, and it was NOT directed at Russell Wilson or Richard Sherman....well a little at Sherman.

It was the Network that set that situation up. I don't see Wilson as a guy that would be that disrespectful to a teams logo and field. I don't know that he had a choice?

Sherman, at that point I don't think he cared.

That to me tho was the most f'ed up thing a Network has done to a team. They didn't just give them a drumstick or something. They had a TABLE setup at the 50.

I find it silly that you guys got upset about that. Remember what TO did in Dallas on the star.

...and did you see me celebrate that? I didn't like it. I also respected the hell out of Emmitt Smith when he took a knee and slammed the ball at the star afterward.

It doesn't just resonate with me. Say "Turkey on the 50" to any Niner fan and they'll know exactly what you are talking about.

Akin to Baker Mayfield planting the flag on the logo at Ohio State.

 

[Maulbert]

I took a look at the zone's dedicated Seahawk thread. It's nothing like say 2014, more measured on all sides.

That said, it's easier to be "civil" when things are going your way. I more understand their reactions to the NFCCG and Turkey Day 50-yard celebration now.

NFCCG was painful...but moreso now because its really when the run ended. Harbaugh/Baalke, injuries, retirements, etc. That was all she wrote until now.

The Turkey on the 50? I can honestly say that was the angriest I've ever been as a Niner fan, and it was NOT directed at Russell Wilson or Richard Sherman....well a little at Sherman.

It was the Network that set that situation up. I don't see Wilson as a guy that would be that disrespectful to a teams logo and field. I don't know that he had a choice?

Sherman, at that point I don't think he cared.

That to me tho was the most f'ed up thing a Network has done to a team. They didn't just give them a drumstick or something. They had a TABLE setup at the 50.

I find it silly that you guys got upset about that. Remember what TO did in Dallas on the star.

...and did you see me celebrate that? I didn't like it. I also respected the hell out of Emmitt Smoth when he took a knee and slammed the ball at the star afterward.

It doesn't just resonate with me. Say "Turkey on the 50" to any Niner fan and they'll know exactly what you are talking about.

Akin to Baker Mayfield planting the flag on the logo at Ohio State.

You can't tell me that a lot of those 49er fans who got pissed about that didn't find TO's star antics hilarious.

 

[Marvin49]

NFCCG was painful...but moreso now because its really when the run ended. Harbaugh/Baalke, injuries, retirements, etc. That was all she wrote until now.

The Turkey on the 50? I can honestly say that was the angriest I've ever been as a Niner fan, and it was NOT directed at Russell Wilson or Richard Sherman....well a little at Sherman.

It was the Network that set that situation up. I don't see Wilson as a guy that would be that disrespectful to a teams logo and field. I don't know that he had a choice?

Sherman, at that point I don't think he cared.

That to me tho was the most f'ed up thing a Network has done to a team. They didn't just give them a drumstick or something. They had a TABLE setup at the 50.

I find it silly that you guys got upset about that. Remember what TO did in Dallas on the star.

...and did you see me celebrate that? I didn't like it. I also respected the hell out of Emmitt Smoth when he took a knee and slammed the ball at the star afterward.

It doesn't just resonate with me. Say "Turkey on the 50" to any Niner fan and they'll know exactly what you are talking about.

Akin to Baker Mayfield planting the flag on the logo at Ohio State.

You can't tell me that a lot of those 49er fans who got pissed about that didn't find TO's star antics hilarious.

Can't speak for them. I don't care what they thought of TO.

I can say the team didn't like it and TO was suspended for it. That was the beginning of the end of TO in SF.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

Are we forgetting the sharpie incident?