Emmanuel Sanders traded to the 49ers

[SantaClaraHawk]

I was not a fan of either the turkey or Sherm interview. With the interview, the convo went down that maybe people's initially negative reaction toward Sherm was over race, but to me it wasn't about that. He disrespected an opponent personally in front of a national audience after winning. He trashed Baker Mayfield personally over something Mayfield didn't even do this month. Contrast that to Earl shaking hands after the game and signing some fans' 29 jerseys. Earl still dislikes Pete, so they just didn't speak to each other. Way more classy.

The turkey thing was however worse. You don't need the network itself getting involved in that level of trolling.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

So the NETWORK puts the table and turkey out on the logo, and it somehow was Sherm and Russ' fault? Got it :roll:

Here's an idea, win the game and it doesn't happen. Exactly what you guys would have said if it happened in Seattle and you won.

 

[Marvin49]

So the NETWORK puts the table and turkey out on the logo, and it somehow was Sherm and Russ' fault? Got it :roll:

Here's an idea, win the game and it doesn't happen. Exactly what you guys would have said if it happened in Seattle and you won.

uh.....my exact quote....

The Turkey on the 50? I can honestly say that was the angriest I've ever been as a Niner fan, and it was NOT directed at Russell Wilson or Richard Sherman....well a little at Sherman.

It was the Network that set that situation up. I don't see Wilson as a guy that would be that disrespectful to a teams logo and field. I don't know that he had a choice?

Read bro. Read.

 

[Ramfan128]

Sanders is a solid player, and obviously fills a huge need - and I guess at 6-0 the Niners are feeling like contenders - but idk...when a team starts giving up draft capital, it's usually to "win now" - especially for a 32 year old player.

Seems like a lot for him - even if he re-signs, he could be done any year with that age. And he hasn't exactly had a clean injury history either.

Can definitely make them better right now - but if that's still not good enough to win it all, this is only a decent trade if he's still a good player next year, which is no guarantee.

Still think it's a better decision than bringing in Ramsey when your OL needs addressing

Ehh. Check out the games Winston and Wilson had on our secondary before we made that trade.

Also, the OL has allowed 12 sacks in 8 games. Pressure, yes - but the Niner game was really the only one that the OL lost us the game.

 

[knownone]

Sanders is a solid player, and obviously fills a huge need - and I guess at 6-0 the Niners are feeling like contenders - but idk...when a team starts giving up draft capital, it's usually to "win now" - especially for a 32 year old player.

Seems like a lot for him - even if he re-signs, he could be done any year with that age. And he hasn't exactly had a clean injury history either.

Can definitely make them better right now - but if that's still not good enough to win it all, this is only a decent trade if he's still a good player next year, which is no guarantee.

Still think it's a better decision than bringing in Ramsey when your OL needs addressing

Ehh. Check out the games Winston and Wilson had on our secondary before we made that trade.

Also, the OL has allowed 12 sacks in 8 games. Pressure, yes - but the Niner game was really the only one that the OL lost us the game.

I think the OL concerns are legitimate and could potentially spell the Ram's downfall, but I would much rather have Ramsey for the foreseeable future than Sanders for half a season. The 49ers receiving core is basically Sanders and a bunch of #3 and #4 receivers. I don't think Sanders alone is going to have a significant impact on their passing game unless other guys step up. Ramsey, on the other hand, has the potential of transforming the Ram's defense entirely which could offset the struggles of the OL.

 

[Popeyejones]

I don't think the Ramsey trade and Sanders trade are even really comparable.

Trading two first round picks on a player that you're planning on giving 20 million per year over the next five years or so is a team-building decision. This year is overall very incidental in this trade.

Trading a 3rd and 4th for Sanders and a 5th doesn't really have anything to do with team building: it's entirely about this year. If Taylor wasn't (likely) out all year OR if Hurd wasn't (likely) out all year OR if Pettis had developed OR if the 9ers unexpectedly 7-0 this deal doesn't happen. Unlike the Ramsey trade the Sanders trade isn't about team building.

While the trade is certainly oriented toward competing this year, saying the 9ers are going "all in" on this year is a weird way to talk about giving up a low 3rd and 4th round picks for a high 5th round pick and a one year rental is a pretty weak version of "all in." This ain't the 9ers renting Deion Sanders for a season to win a Super Bowl :lol:

Instead, this is really no different than the types of moves that teams like the Patriots and Eagles have been making for awhile now. People can argue against it, of course, but it's what the (believed to be) smart teams have been doing, so the argument is that they're wrong to be doing stuff like this too.

(worth saying I personally don't love the move, although I don't really hate it either)

 

[Marvin49]

Sanders is a solid player, and obviously fills a huge need - and I guess at 6-0 the Niners are feeling like contenders - but idk...when a team starts giving up draft capital, it's usually to "win now" - especially for a 32 year old player.

Seems like a lot for him - even if he re-signs, he could be done any year with that age. And he hasn't exactly had a clean injury history either.

Can definitely make them better right now - but if that's still not good enough to win it all, this is only a decent trade if he's still a good player next year, which is no guarantee.

Still think it's a better decision than bringing in Ramsey when your OL needs addressing

Ehh. Check out the games Winston and Wilson had on our secondary before we made that trade.

Also, the OL has allowed 12 sacks in 8 games. Pressure, yes - but the Niner game was really the only one that the OL lost us the game.

I think the OL concerns are legitimate and could potentially spell the Ram's downfall, but I would much rather have Ramsey for the foreseeable future than Sanders for half a season. The 49ers receiving core is basically Sanders and a bunch of #3 and #4 receivers. I don't think Sanders alone is going to have a significant impact on their passing game unless other guys step up. Ramsey, on the other hand, has the potential of transforming the Ram's defense entirely which could offset the struggles of the OL.

As Popeye eluded to, these trades aren't remotely comparable.

They were made for entirely different reasons and the cost was astronomically lower for Sanders.

Will Sanders be on the roster next year? Maybe, but if they lose him they might be in the position to get a comp pick should he sign elsewhere. Additionally the cost was a 3 and a swap of about 15 spots from the 4th and 5th round.

As for the "a bunch #3 and #4 recievers", we don't know that yet. We do know that Taylor and Hurd may not play this year and that Pettis is a disappointment thus far. I think Samuel is legit. He's a rookie and it takes time.

Sanders is reliable. That's why he's there. Its not about #1, #2, and #3 receivers. Their #1 Receiver is George Kittle.

What they needed is a guy who won't drop the ball. That's Emmanuel Sanders. He's already paid dividends as well...both the TD and the catch on 3rd and 12.

 

[Popeyejones]

Sanders is reliable. That's why he's there.

Yes. This.

In the mind of Shanahan Sanders is a more talented Kenrick Bourne (who is also on the team because Shanahan believes he's reliable).

Shanahan's kind of the anti-Harbaugh in that errs on sharing TOO MUCH with the media, rather than not being willing to share anything at all.

Because of that, if you're paying attention it's not that hard to figure out where his head is at.

Neither him nor Jimmy trust Pettis right now.

He likes Goodwin but he's "a Porsche", not an everyday driver.

He clearly likes Deebo as a football player but doesn't fully trust him yet as a receiver.

Sanders is on the team because he will reliably be where he is supposed to be and do what he's supposed to do.

At the end of the day I'm pretty confident that on the offensive side of the ball Shannahan values guys who are most reactive to his joystick over raw talent.

 

[Marvin49]

Sanders is reliable. That's why he's there.

Yes. This.

In the mind of Shanahan Sanders is a more talented Kenrick Bourne (who is also on the team because Shanahan believes he's reliable).

Shanahan's kind of the anti-Harbaugh in that errs on sharing TOO MUCH with the media, rather than not being willing to share anything at all.

Because of that, if you're paying attention it's not that hard to figure out where his head is at.

Neither him nor Jimmy trust Pettis right now.

He likes Goodwin but he's "a Porsche", not an everyday driver.

He clearly likes Deebo as a football player but doesn't fully trust him yet as a receiver.

Sanders is on the team because he will reliably be where he is supposed to be and do what he's supposed to do.

At the end of the day I'm pretty confident that on the offensive side of the ball Shannahan values guys who are most reactive to his joystick over raw talent.

Exactly. Shanahans thought process is "I can scheme you open, just catch the damn ball".

Pettis is crazy talented and can get open fairly easily. He's lightning quick and always seems to be able to get into open space.

The problem is that his movements are so unorthodox that he is often not where he is supposed to be. I haven't looked this up, but my bet is a good number of Jimmys INTs this year were intended for Pettis. Off the top of my head I can think of at least 2 this season, one in Preseason, one near INT this preseason, and one last year. There are likely more.

On top of that, he'll run a great pattern, have open field in front of him for a possible TD...and flat drop the ball. He also doesn't ever seem to fight, go up, or come back to the ball. He's content in waiting for it to get to him...which again, gets the ball intercepted.

The dude is maddening.

Sanders just does his job. Its wasn't about getting Julio Jones. It was about having a guy they could trust to run the route and catch the ball. That's it.

 

[knownone]

Still think it's a better decision than bringing in Ramsey when your OL needs addressing

Ehh. Check out the games Winston and Wilson had on our secondary before we made that trade.

Also, the OL has allowed 12 sacks in 8 games. Pressure, yes - but the Niner game was really the only one that the OL lost us the game.

I think the OL concerns are legitimate and could potentially spell the Ram's downfall, but I would much rather have Ramsey for the foreseeable future than Sanders for half a season. The 49ers receiving core is basically Sanders and a bunch of #3 and #4 receivers. I don't think Sanders alone is going to have a significant impact on their passing game unless other guys step up. Ramsey, on the other hand, has the potential of transforming the Ram's defense entirely which could offset the struggles of the OL.

As Popeye eluded to, these trades aren't remotely comparable.

They were made for entirely different reasons and the cost was astronomically lower for Sanders.

Will Sanders be on the roster next year? Maybe, but if they lose him they might be in the position to get a comp pick should he sign elsewhere. Additionally the cost was a 3 and a swap of about 15 spots from the 4th and 5th round.

As for the "a bunch #3 and #4 recievers", we don't know that yet. We do know that Taylor and Hurd may not play this year and that Pettis is a disappointment thus far. I think Samuel is legit. He's a rookie and it takes time.

Sanders is reliable. That's why he's there. Its not about #1, #2, and #3 receivers. Their #1 Receiver is George Kittle.

What they needed is a guy who won't drop the ball. That's Emmanuel Sanders. He's already paid dividends as well...both the TD and the catch on 3rd and 12.

100% agree with you. I was just responding to the assertion that the Sanders trade is some how better than the Ramsey trade.

To be fair, I wasn't making a long term assessment on the Niners receiving core. I do like what Samuel brings long term, but right now, they look like a bunch of #3 and #4 receivers who aren't ready to carry the load in the passing game.

Kittle is obviously a great player, but he impacts the passing game in a much difference way than a traditional receiver would. He's more or less going to attack the seams rather than stretch the defense which is only going to be an issue if you guys ever have to play from behind.

 

[Marvin49]

Ehh. Check out the games Winston and Wilson had on our secondary before we made that trade.

Also, the OL has allowed 12 sacks in 8 games. Pressure, yes - but the Niner game was really the only one that the OL lost us the game.

I think the OL concerns are legitimate and could potentially spell the Ram's downfall, but I would much rather have Ramsey for the foreseeable future than Sanders for half a season. The 49ers receiving core is basically Sanders and a bunch of #3 and #4 receivers. I don't think Sanders alone is going to have a significant impact on their passing game unless other guys step up. Ramsey, on the other hand, has the potential of transforming the Ram's defense entirely which could offset the struggles of the OL.

As Popeye eluded to, these trades aren't remotely comparable.

They were made for entirely different reasons and the cost was astronomically lower for Sanders.

Will Sanders be on the roster next year? Maybe, but if they lose him they might be in the position to get a comp pick should he sign elsewhere. Additionally the cost was a 3 and a swap of about 15 spots from the 4th and 5th round.

As for the "a bunch #3 and #4 recievers", we don't know that yet. We do know that Taylor and Hurd may not play this year and that Pettis is a disappointment thus far. I think Samuel is legit. He's a rookie and it takes time.

Sanders is reliable. That's why he's there. Its not about #1, #2, and #3 receivers. Their #1 Receiver is George Kittle.

What they needed is a guy who won't drop the ball. That's Emmanuel Sanders. He's already paid dividends as well...both the TD and the catch on 3rd and 12.

100% agree with you. I was just responding to the assertion that the Sanders trade is some how better than the Ramsey trade.

To be fair, I wasn't making a long term assessment on the Niners receiving core. I do like what Samuel brings long term, but right now, they look like a bunch of #3 and #4 receivers who aren't ready to carry the load in the passing game.

Kittle is obviously a great player, but he impacts the passing game in a much difference way than a traditional receiver would. He's more or less going to attack the seams rather than stretch the defense which is only going to be an issue if you guys ever have to play from behind.

That's fair.

The role Sanders fill isn't that of premiere #1 WR. Its just reliable reciever who catches balls thrown to him, doesn't pop them into the air or otherwise make rookie mistakes.

I'd like to see him stick after the year, but as in all things, it comes down to $$$. He has already stated he only plans on playing a few more years, so might be looking for Max $$$ before heading off into the sunset, or might sign on a bit cheaper to a team he thinks has a chance.

We'll see.

 

[Popeyejones]

Pettis is crazy talented and can get open fairly easily. He's lightning quick and always seems to be able to get into open space.

The problem is that his movements are so unorthodox that he is often not where he is supposed to be. I haven't looked this up, but my bet is a good number of Jimmys INTs this year were intended for Pettis. Off the top of my head I can think of at least 2 this season, one in Preseason, one near INT this preseason, and one last year. There are likely more.

On top of that, he'll run a great pattern, have open field in front of him for a possible TD...and flat drop the ball. He also doesn't ever seem to fight, go up, or come back to the ball. He's content in waiting for it to get to him...which again, gets the ball intercepted.

The dude is maddening.

Absolutely perfect description.

He strikes me as one of those guys for whom in a few years time people will be saying "he'll really blow up if he goes to the Patriots," which is basically the standard way to hold out hope for hundreds of guys around the league who flash from time to time but are wildly inconsistent.

The problem for him I think is that save for inconsistency in his hands I don't really think any of this other stuff is that fixable. Without the unorthodox route running he'd be a better receiver?!?!? There's no way. At the NFL level his primary strength is also a weakness. :lol: And maybe it happens, but I can't remember any receivers who have developed into being aggressive and being able to fight the ball away at the catch point. That's a thing you either have or you don't.

Long story short, with his weird route running he is the type of guy who can get five yards of space, but you can't trust him unless he has five yards of space, and his weird route running messes up timing so you can't rely on it on 3rd downs either.

 

[Giedi]

Pettis is crazy talented and can get open fairly easily. He's lightning quick and always seems to be able to get into open space.

The problem is that his movements are so unorthodox that he is often not where he is supposed to be. I haven't looked this up, but my bet is a good number of Jimmys INTs this year were intended for Pettis. Off the top of my head I can think of at least 2 this season, one in Preseason, one near INT this preseason, and one last year. There are likely more.

On top of that, he'll run a great pattern, have open field in front of him for a possible TD...and flat drop the ball. He also doesn't ever seem to fight, go up, or come back to the ball. He's content in waiting for it to get to him...which again, gets the ball intercepted.

The dude is maddening.

Absolutely perfect description.

He strikes me as one of those guys for whom in a few years time people will be saying "he'll really blow up if he goes to the Patriots," which is basically the standard way to hold out hope for hundreds of guys around the league who flash from time to time but are wildly inconsistent.

The problem for him I think is that save for inconsistency in his hands I don't really think any of this other stuff is that fixable. Without the unorthodox route running he'd be a better receiver?!?!? There's no way. At the NFL level his primary strength is also a weakness. :lol: And maybe it happens, but I can't remember any receivers who have developed into being aggressive and being able to fight the ball away at the catch point. That's a thing you either have or you don't.

Long story short, with his weird route running he is the type of guy who can get five yards of space, but you can't trust him unless he has five yards of space, and his weird route running messes up timing so you can't rely on it on 3rd downs either.

I agree with both of you, and it is my hope that Sanders can mentor him to be a better WR. There is some comparison between Sanders and Pettis, and Sanders being a veteran with great playoff experience can mentor the young 49er WR's to play much better in the playoffs and in the coming years. It's my hope that Sander's mentality and work ethic can rub off on Pettis. If so, Pettis can become a game breaker.

Pettis does have a lot of talent, and for me, I'd be patient with him. Jerry Rice didn't look to be a hall of fame player in his 3rd year, although he did have breakout games the year before - which Pettis hasn't had yet. The key question I have is whether or not Pettis will have the mentality to keep at it and fight for a job with all the talented but young WR's on that 49er squad. If not, then I'm looking for Hurd and Taylor to come back during the playoffs and next year the best 6 WR's will make the team - and if Pettis doesn't cut it, he could be traded.